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I want a real referendum, how about you? 
They’ll all be promising referendum over this subject in the run up to the next election…though i seem to recall Mr Slippery the unelected PM giving one of his humourous cast iron guarantees, that being a referendum after election, as usual like his dad Tony Bliar it was just another lie to get his greedy arse into number 10.
Politicians have no honour, their word means nothing, do not trust them, ever.
I voted in the 70’s referendum for the trading agreement with the Common Market, which traitor Heath took us into, Thatcher campaigned for a yes vote by the way, i voted NO then too.
Out please, don`t need to be in to trade, in fact we were better off before the wall came down!
‘‘OUT’’
Out, they need us more than we need them IMHO.
Juddian:
Politicians have no honour, their word means nothing, do not trust them, ever.I voted in the 70’s referendum for the trading agreement with the Common Market, which traitor Heath took us into, Thatcher campaigned for a yes vote by the way, i voted NO then too.
I think Heath was more misguided than traitor.Like a lot of others he thought that the best way to avoid more trouble in the future was to give the Germans everything they wanted which included stopping all trading competition with them and going for a ‘policy’ of trading ‘co operation’ instead.
I was too young to vote in the actual referendum but I was a supporter of Peter Shore’s policies and ideas on the subject at the time.No surprise those policies were subjected to dishonest propaganda and out voted by the real traitors in the so called Labour Party and bankers who’d decided to invest more British money in German industry than our own.
You cannot take these politicians seriously, it seems that they all trot this guff out when they want the public on their side. They know that the majority of the public would want out, they think we are better off in, promise a referendum on it and they will vote for us. They have strung us along with this for years, didn’t tony bliar promise one a few years ago. One minute they say you put us in to govern so it’s up to us, the next they say it’s all up to the public. The old adage is true as far as any politician is concerned. I could tell he was lying, his lips were moving.
Nearly 70 years of peace time
Free trade in between 27 powerful economies
Free movement of citizens and goods between these countries
Co-ordinated environmental legislation [important because precious habitats in Europe often cross borders]
Provides a voice for usually-unelected parties like the Greens, UKIP, BNP, etc.
Provides support for minority languages within Europe like Irish, Scots Gaelic, etc.
Huge economic clout worldwide as a single bloc - when the EU is at the debating table in a unified form, we represent 400 million people with the largest combined economy in the world.
European workers benefit the British economy. They take on jobs British workers reject and are skilled. Furthermore, their contribution to the British economy through consume and taxes is greater than their cost
Britain needs Europe for financial regulation. The ‘City of London’ hosts most of Europe’s financial market. To be able to influence European regulation, Britain must work in and with Europe
High quality standards in Health, Safety, Environmental Laws, Workers Rights, Consumer Rights
Apart from all that, “What have the Romans done for us” 
Sorry “High quality standards in environment, health and safety”? Ad blue? WTD? DCPC?
No thanks, the Swiss do ok on their own.
ironstipper:
Nearly 70 years of peace timeFree trade in between 27 powerful economies
Free movement of citizens and goods between these countries
Co-ordinated environmental legislation [important because precious habitats in Europe often cross borders]
Provides a voice for usually-unelected parties like the Greens, UKIP, BNP, etc.
Provides support for minority languages within Europe like Irish, Scots Gaelic, etc.
Huge economic clout worldwide as a single bloc - when the EU is at the debating table in a unified form, we represent 400 million people with the largest combined economy in the world.
European workers benefit the British economy. They take on jobs British workers reject and are skilled. Furthermore, their contribution to the British economy through consume and taxes is greater than their cost
Britain needs Europe for financial regulation. The ‘City of London’ hosts most of Europe’s financial market. To be able to influence European regulation, Britain must work in and with Europe
High quality standards in Health, Safety, Environmental Laws, Workers Rights, Consumer Rights
Apart from all that, “What have the Romans done for us”
And thats worth £40,000,000 a day 356 days per year? We have a trade deficit of £4.4 billion 
ironstipper:
Nearly 70 years of peace timeFree trade in between 27 powerful economies
Free movement of citizens and goods between these countries
Co-ordinated environmental legislation [important because precious habitats in Europe often cross borders]
Provides a voice for usually-unelected parties like the Greens, UKIP, BNP, etc.
Provides support for minority languages within Europe like Irish, Scots Gaelic, etc.
Huge economic clout worldwide as a single bloc - when the EU is at the debating table in a unified form, we represent 400 million people with the largest combined economy in the world.
European workers benefit the British economy. They take on jobs British workers reject and are skilled. Furthermore, their contribution to the British economy through consume and taxes is greater than their cost
Britain needs Europe for financial regulation. The ‘City of London’ hosts most of Europe’s financial market. To be able to influence European regulation, Britain must work in and with Europe
High quality standards in Health, Safety, Environmental Laws, Workers Rights, Consumer Rights
Apart from all that, “What have the Romans done for us”
Don’t remember any wars in Europe during the time when we weren’t a member of the EEC/EU
‘Free trade’ in this case actually translates as trade that mostly benefits the German economy no one else’s and transfer of wealth from the British economy to the east european one by way of ‘aid payments’ since those states joined.
How does free movement of goods and people between borders benefit anyone 
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Switzerland isn’t in the EU and it’s cross boder Alpine habitats are no worse for it.
Why should any unelected party like the greens have a voice in government.If they want a voice then get a mandate.
The fact is the Scots,Irish and Welsh need to speak English or we won’t be able to understand them.Simples.
So where’s the so called economic clout when you look at the actual trade deficit figures between Europe and China/Asia.
How does an open labour market,in which cheap east european labour can work here,benefit British workers when we’ve got an unemployment issue of our own.If it’s all about so called lack of British skills or British rejection of jobs then there’d be no problem with keeping any job taken by foreign workers advertised until/in case a British worker wants/accepts it and if so then the job has to go to a British worker with equivalent qualifications.The real reason is all about keeping labour costs lower for employers than they would otherwise be in a closed labour market.
Britain’s banking systen managed better than it does now before we joined the EEC just like the Swiss one still does and no surprise that hypocrite British bankers say that they’ll vote with their feet by going to Switzerland not Germany if anyone dares to interfere with their gravy train.It’s also no surprise that British bankers support EU membership and the continuation of the situation in which the German economy is kept in front because that’s where they’ve invested British money not here. 
Five of the 27 “powerful” countries have needed bailouts with more to follow.
Last year in which a British soldier did not fire a shot in anger? 1968
Free movement of citizens , all this way not out.
If the named parties were any good they would get elected
I’m English, I don’t need or want to speak or look after a language of people that hate us
Will never be unified as they cannot agree amongst themselves over even the smallest matter
Not the old, we do the work that you won’t do routine, we don’t do it because the pay offered is so poor only immigrants will do it driving down everyone else’s pay prospects.
London host the money capital of Europe so we don’t need anyone else, they need us.
DCPC anyone?
We managed for hundreds of years without europes “help” and we have been dragged down ever since we came in. It’s the only time I’ve wished we took notice of the French.
Damm , just beaten to it but I’m putting it in anyway, it’s just a less cultured version of the above.
Fileep:
And thats worth £40,000,000 a day 356 days per year? We have a trade deficit of £4.4 billion
Not bad really, in 2006 it was £56bn. And that was still in the boom years.
OUT please and asap. Also all aid payments to stop untill our own country is sorted out along with extra border forces and a visa system put in place, no visa your not coming in, holidays, work etc dont care dont want anymore of them. Also now Im on a role all benefits to single mothers under the age of 25 to be stopped let there families keep them. No benefits to anyone who hasnt paid into the system for 5 years more. Im fed up with paying out on spongers stop all these payments and lets see how many stay and still want to come here, France will love us for it.
ironstipper:
Fileep:
And thats worth £40,000,000 a day 356 days per year? We have a trade deficit of £4.4 billionNot bad really, in 2006 it was £56bn. And that was still in the boom years.
The £4.4 billion was for a single month, my mistake 
I cant decide between going back to a common market or integration into a full federal state. I think it has to be one or the other its this creeping federalisation by the back door that’s ruined the European economy. Because no-one is willing to give too much away everything is a compromise and between 27 members when the ■■■■ hits the fan they become totally hamstrung and powerless to take the decisive action required.
Defo out and ASAP please, I for one have had enough of ‘clubs’ and committees that achieve nowt. They are not even elected!!
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As someone who was born and bred on a farm (And just old enough for Harold Wilson’s referendum) I say OUT!!!
Saddens me to say that I voted the right way and not alot has changed.
The politicians said
“EEC has brought about peace in Europe” I thought it was NATO
“Trading opportunities” In a saturated market■■? I dont think so.
I have always believed that the EEC would be no good as long as France is in it. (They are in it only for what they can screw out of their partners)
The only time the EEC did anything for the UK was when we had a sugar shortage (1974?) other than that they have consistantly screwed us over with the connivance of our politicians (Yes even the “Iron Lady”)
Britain had the most efficient farms in Europe by far and certain food prices doubled overnight when we joined Europe.
Animal feed for my Uncle’s cows went from £42 per ton to £80 per ton in less than 6 months.
I saw in another thread someone said that he was told (By a lecturer?) that German farms were the most efficient.
Sorry mate you have been stuffed. If 5 hectares 10 cows and a job at BMW’s ? Not my idea of efficiency
Besides I think the EU is one Gravy Train that wants derailing, sooner the better (Then the banks)
pip2209:
Out please, don`t need to be in to trade, in fact we were better off before the wall came down!
If you mean the Berlin Wall, what has that to do with the EU and a referendum? unless they are looking for builders to put it back up.
Auf Wiedersehn!
Wheel Nut:
pip2209:
Out please, don`t need to be in to trade, in fact we were better off before the wall came down!If you mean the Berlin Wall, what has that to do with the EU and a referendum?
The ‘transfer’ (handouts) of EU funds and wealth from the existing members,as the EEC stood when we joined it,to the ‘new entry’ east european states that Russia was supporting financially before we were mug enough to start supporting them all instead.No guesses as to which country is one of the largest net contributors to those funds.
Effectively we pay taxes in the form of VAT etc to improve the economies of eastern europe and to put ourselves out of work in the form of cheap labour to make a few employers richer.