The government is going to allow eu firms to start doing more work in the UK by suspending current rules.
Rha says
“Many British hauliers will be frustrated with the likelihood their work could be going to EU firms at a time when promoting the job to a new generation of Britons was apparently the government’s priority and they don’t want uncontrolled immigration - which this is at least for six months,” said the Road Haulage Association.
“Although it may help the Christmas supply chain, the effects on hard working UK haulage firms could be substantial in terms of losing work to cheaper EU rivals.”
This is hilarious they were begging for eu drivers to save Christmas. despite many drivers fear that It would just drive down wages again. Now the government is proposing a change which gives them eu drivers and they don’t want it. Why? Because it will force them to compete with eu hauliers. The exact same issue drivers were complaining about basically.
I’m all for it. Heck, I don’t mind getting screwed with low wages as long as the RHA and it’s members get undercut by eu hauliers. Hopefully then they will realise that the RHA is a body that is no longer fit for purpose.
But yesterday a senior government source said trust between the two sides was currently “broken”, and that meetings with rival trade body Logistics UK were being prioritised instead.
The RHA allegedly leaked all this information just to get cheap eu drivers and instead what they are getting is cheap eu hauliers who are going to undercut their members. RHA are a joke.
Quite happy for cheaper bums to be allowed in to drive their lorries, but rival foreign hauliers with those cheaper bums in situ we don’t want, anyone else see the irony here.
To be fair to the industry, all industry not just the transport sector, unless you were a mate of one of the chosen ministers (maybe someone like a relative or similar with not a clue about manufactuting who would be awarded a manufacturing contract) you’d be wary about planning ahead by investing large sums in any industry, this govt changes its mind faster than we change our undies, before you’ve even signed a vehicle supply contract this grossly incompetent conservative in name only UK govt will have pulled the rug from under you.
You can’t operate transport for a nation on a weekly change of scene/requirements, it takes years of planning ahead even to replenish or add to a vehicle fleet and thats just the vehicles and company operation, you cannot staff the operation any faster either unless you intend to bribe staff from other operators to come work for you (who similarly haven’t been planning ahead)…and i have a sneaky feeling that particular pay bubble which many here have enjoyed recently is about to burst.
I bet loads of firms, both client yard and agency alike - hold out until the very last minute of November before implementing a strategy for the “Christmas Peak Month”…
Last year, the normal 6-week long Christmas premium period - was cut to 3.5 weeks, at least at Staffline…
Kicked in December 3rd, and ended December 28th, if I recall…
Usually, it is the last week of November until the end of the first full week of January.
Juddian:
You can’t operate transport for a nation on a weekly change of scene/requirements, it takes years of planning ahead even to replenish or add to a vehicle fleet and thats just the vehicles and company operation, you cannot staff the operation any faster either unless you intend to bribe staff from other operators to come work for you (who similarly haven’t been planning ahead)…and i have a sneaky feeling that particular pay bubble which many here have enjoyed recently is about to burst.
I dont see it bursting - I think its going to expand for years yet - 13 an hour wont have them sitting their cpc will it.
Quite happy for cheaper bums to be allowed in to drive their lorries, but rival foreign hauliers with those cheaper bums in situ we don’t want, anyone else see the irony here.
To be fair to the industry, all industry not just the transport sector, unless you were a mate of one of the chosen ministers (maybe someone like a relative or similar with not a clue about manufactuting who would be awarded a manufacturing contract) you’d be wary about planning ahead by investing large sums in any industry, this govt changes its mind faster than we change our undies, before you’ve even signed a vehicle supply contract this grossly incompetent conservative in name only UK govt will have pulled the rug from under you.
You can’t operate transport for a nation on a weekly change of scene/requirements, it takes years of planning ahead even to replenish or add to a vehicle fleet and thats just the vehicles and company operation, you cannot staff the operation any faster either unless you intend to bribe staff from other operators to come work for you (who similarly haven’t been planning ahead)…and i have a sneaky feeling that particular pay bubble which many here have enjoyed recently is about to burst.
As I understand it the visas for foreign workers say they must be paid about £26k per annum, for about 40hrs, or “the going rate” whichever is the greater.
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No such (that I can see) about haulage rates.
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switchlogic:
FFS, more misplaced blame. This country is a joke. Everyone can see it but the voters.
Who’s fault is it?
Alot of people who voted for brexit wanted increased hgv wages on this forum. The RHA does not want that.
RHA wants cheaper eu labor.
Either way brexit has been nothing but a positive experience for me. maybe the next time I go to Tenerife I will moan about the extra hassle. But that’s a negative I can live with.
I keep seeing that alot of people who voted for brexit were lied to. Or were tricked, deceived, outsmarted or just stupid. Yet, for me it’s been fantastic.
adam277:
Either way brexit has been nothing but a positive experience for me. maybe the next time I go to Tenerife I will moan about the extra hassle. But that’s a negative I can live with.
I keep seeing that alot of people who voted for brexit were lied to. Or were tricked, deceived, outsmarted or just stupid. Yet, for me it’s been fantastic.
This. I voted for remaining. Wasn’t an easy decision, I still hadn’t made my mind up even stood in the booth with a pencil in my hand but made the decision that we were better trying to resolve it from within. However being capable of critical thinking, in a job that suffered the effects of Eastern European labour and witnessing companies I’ve delivered to for over 20 years at the time of the Referendum going from being all local staff to being all Eastern European agency workers with the exception of management (Greencore Selby and Bakavoor Spalding to name two) I was under no illusion there weren’t problems. I didn’t buy the stuff the remain campaign was selling especially the “800,000 job losses, 10% house price falls and a recession so bad it’d need an emergency budget following a vote to leave” that Osborne was selling, I thought some of the leave campaign claims were less than honest too.
Both sides were lied to, tricked, deceived and outsmarted to some extent, many millennial Remainers so much that they’re still banging on about racist xenophobic stupid brexiters on social media today like its 2016. Brexiters weren’t stupid, they may have been less likely to have a degree but seeing what universities churn out now a degree has long since ceased to be a sign of intelligence. Stating there’s a problem in your area and it affects your day to day life and job is not racist to say. The trouble is for the millennials and zoomers who supported remaining, mainly those who live on social media, despite their claims of superior intellect and wokeness they’re actually narrow minded bigots incapable of understanding that. It’s quite funny that on Reddit they think I voted Brexit and I’m literally Nigel Farage because I don’t subscribe to their crap and correct them with facts.
So how has it affected me? For me like many in this job it’s ranged from noticing no difference in my daily life and only being aware there should be because the news, who are far from being trustworthy, tell me there should be to looking at the wages I get and the wages now being offered in those undesirable jobs that ended up with lots of EU migrants doing them. Living in a poor area the uplift in peoples quality of life is starting to be noticable. When I go on holiday I’ll still have to show my passport at the ferry, the Eurotunnel, the airport to go to France, Spain, wherever just the same as I have for the 20 odd years the EU existed and we were in it so there’s no change.
Quite happy for cheaper bums to be allowed in to drive their lorries, but rival foreign hauliers with those cheaper bums in situ we don’t want, anyone else see the irony here.
No more than the irony of the government saying that there is over capacity in the UK road transport sector.
So we’re going to send the freight by rail or foreign based trucks.
It stinks the government is planning to flag out our transport industry to foreign owned rail freight and foreign based road haulage just like it did with our merchant navy.
Meanwhile the RHA is just interested in minimising its labour costs and the oxymoron of minimising its tonne/miles to save fuel costs and to utilise ‘drivers’ for ‘other duties’.
Not only is it happy with that but the fact that the government has openly stated its intention to decimate the industry, having softened it up with punitive road fuel taxation and laughable gross weight limits, is off their radar and agenda.
The anything but ‘RHA’.
switchlogic:
FFS, more misplaced blame. This country is a joke. Everyone can see it but the voters.
I think the voters - will be seeing this one, somehow…
All very well, but unless there’s a viable single alternative to the 2.5 cheeks of the same arse uniparty known colliquially as the LIBLABCON, your vote won’t make a scrap of difference, you’ll end up with a Blair type and run govt just like this one and the last one and all of them going back to '97.
The only chance we have is if Lawrence Fox can get agreement to form one large alternative party out of the myriad of smaller ones, whether that will happen will show whether the country is worth or can be saved, if they can’t put their petty differences and overinflated egos to one side for the sake of saving this country and its future, then its all over…oh and keep Farage out of it for goodness sake, he’ll only welch to save the tories at the last minute.
switchlogic:
FFS, more misplaced blame. This country is a joke. Everyone can see it but the voters.
I think the voters - will be seeing this one, somehow…
All very well, but unless there’s a viable single alternative to the 2.5 cheeks of the same arse uniparty known colliquially as the LIBLABCON, you’re vote won’t make a scrap of difference, you’ll end up with a Blair type and run govt just like this one and the last one and all of them going back to '97.
The only chance we have is if Lawrence Fox can get agreement to form one large alternative party out of the myriad of smaller ones, whether that will happen will show whether the country is worth or can be saved, if they can’t put their petty differences and overinflated egos to one side for the sake of saving this country and its future, then its all over…oh and keep Farage out of it for goodness sake, he’ll only welch to save the tories at the last minute.
Lawrence Fox? You’ve got to be kidding surely?! He couldn’t even keep his lacklustre career afloat Lawrence Fox That’s hilarious. Lawrence Fox.
As I understand it the visas for foreign workers say they must be paid about £26k per annum, for about 40hrs, or “the going rate” whichever is the greater.
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No such (that I can see) about haulage rates.
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Unfortunately govt overseeing of such terms won’t be worth a cup of cold puke.
The unionised company i worked for used to bring in european contractors (lorries with drivers) to help cover the peak periods, union made sure the drivers were on the same money as the UK drivers before allowing them to operate.
I know you’re not one of them Franglais, but i do wish the union bashers here stopped repeating the propaganda they absorbed re how bad unions are and started thinking for themselves at some point.
Doesn’t matter to me what they do in all honesty, company i work for won’t be using any foreign hauliers on cabotage exemption to shift our goods, that i can absolutely guarantee.
