Latest EU members are now demanding of Mrs May to grant them access to our fishing waters in exchange for a soft Northern Ireland border, is there no ending to the EU’s ■■■■■■ of our country, just lets get out and stuff them if they want the fish let them buy it, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Latest EU members are now demanding of Mrs May to grant them access to our fishing waters in exchange for a soft Northern Ireland border, is there no ending to the EU’s ■■■■■■ of our country, just lets get out and stuff them if they want the fish let them buy it, Buzzer.
By ‘latest EU members’ do you mean Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia etc? Or perhaps Chechia, Slovakia and Hungary? Long way round for their cod and chips, or perhaps Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Makes more sense for them, I suppose, just a little boat trip down the chilly Baltic. 
And btw, there is no way the NI border can be ‘soft’, unless the UK is in the single market/customs union. Kind of makes the whole expensive ■■■■ up even more pointless, doesn’t it?
Spardo:
Carryfast:
( in reality dictatorial undemocratic Soviet style Federalists )
Great so are you saying that reforming it along the Confederal lines described by the AfD and myself would fit the description of just a bath.Or would you view it as an unacceptable end of your Federal European dream ?.While if the former then how is that inconsistent with the obvious need for every state,let alone us,needing to secede from the Union as it presently stands first and with it the rule of the EU Commission as part of that ?.
Now awaits the usual Federalist lie that you can’t recognise nor understand the difference between a Federal European Super State v a Confederation of Sovereign Nation States all with the independent powers to either agree,or to agree to disagree and do their own thing.When the truth is actually that they ‘don’t want to’ recognise that difference with their version of Europe being the Federal European way or no way.
While it seems equally obvious that it’s Farage and the whole Brexit movement which has stupidly thrown the baby of a Confederal Europe out with the Brexit bathwater thereby predictably handing the agenda back to the Federalists within the UK parliament.Maybe that was the plan all along.Bearing in mind that Farage never once questioned the fact that the referendum was deliberately drawn up as a non binding document on the government let alone then calling on Brexit voters to trust committed EU Federalists May and Hammond to deliver it.
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Latest EU members are now demanding of Mrs May to grant them access to our fishing waters in exchange for a soft Northern Ireland border, is there no ending to the EU’s ■■■■■■ of our country, just lets get out and stuff them if they want the fish let them buy it, Buzzer.By ‘latest EU members’ do you mean Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia etc? Or perhaps Chechia, Slovakia and Hungary? Long way round for their cod and chips, or perhaps Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Makes more sense for them, I suppose, just a little boat trip down the chilly Baltic.
And btw, there is no way the NI border can be ‘soft’, unless the UK is in the single market/customs union. Kind of makes the whole expensive ■■■■ up even more pointless, doesn’t it?
Hi spardo you never miss a chance to ridicule a “leavers” point of view and smart enough to see that Buzzer’s post requires edit with Latest prefixed with The and punctuation between latest and EU so your reply is a load o’ ■■■■■■ I am old enough to remember hearing William Joyce aka Lord Haw Haw spouting anti British propaganda during WW2, doom and gloom for Britain with repeated broadcasts of the benefits of capitulation to the then ■■■■ regime. Similarity reigns and the result will not be any different.
Oily
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Latest EU members are now demanding of Mrs May to grant them access to our fishing waters in exchange for a soft Northern Ireland border, is there no ending to the EU’s ■■■■■■ of our country, just lets get out and stuff them if they want the fish let them buy it, Buzzer.By ‘latest EU members’ do you mean Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia etc? Or perhaps Chechia, Slovakia and Hungary? Long way round for their cod and chips, or perhaps Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Makes more sense for them, I suppose, just a little boat trip down the chilly Baltic.
And btw, there is no way the NI border can be ‘soft’, unless the UK is in the single market/customs union. Kind of makes the whole expensive ■■■■ up even more pointless, doesn’t it?
It’s obvious that he means latest news not ‘latest member states’.
As for no soft Irish border remind us of the aims and definitions of the CTA and exactly where was this massive 100 foot high wall imagined by the remainers across the Island since the ‘border’ was drawn on the map.While you’ve obviously answered the question as to whether you view Europe as one big super state ruled from Brussels.Hopefully the Irish people might wake up and realise the ridiculous inconsistency in going to war costing loads of lives,to rightly free the country from UK rule,only to then hand it over to the EU Federation instead.
oiltreader:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Latest EU members are now demanding of Mrs May to grant them access to our fishing waters in exchange for a soft Northern Ireland border, is there no ending to the EU’s ■■■■■■ of our country, just lets get out and stuff them if they want the fish let them buy it, Buzzer.By ‘latest EU members’ do you mean Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia etc? Or perhaps Chechia, Slovakia and Hungary? Long way round for their cod and chips, or perhaps Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Makes more sense for them, I suppose, just a little boat trip down the chilly Baltic.
And btw, there is no way the NI border can be ‘soft’, unless the UK is in the single market/customs union. Kind of makes the whole expensive ■■■■ up even more pointless, doesn’t it?
Hi spardo you never miss a chance to ridicule a “leavers” point of view and smart enough to see that Buzzer’s post requires edit with Latest prefixed with The and punctuation between latest and EU so your reply is a load o’ [zb], I am old enough to remember hearing William Joyce aka Lord Haw Haw spouting anti British propaganda during WW2, doom and gloom for Britain with repeated broadcasts of the benefits of capitulation to the then ■■■■ regime. Similarity reigns and the result will not be any different.
Oily
Oh dear, do I detect a sense of humour by-pass? You must be much older than me to remember hearing Lord HawHaw, and therefore old enough to realise that the ■■■■ regime bore absolutely no resemblance to the EU. The ■■■■ regime wanted to expel and exterminate unwanted residents and imported loads of ‘immigrants’ to do their dirty work. Shame on you for such a comparison.
Spardo the more I see of your posts the more I am thinking you are the one and only never again repeated " clever ■■■■ " ffs get a life man.
Buzzer:
Spardo the more I see of your posts the more I am thinking you are the one and only never again repeated " clever ■■■■ " ffs get a life man.
Nowt clever about being appalled at the comparison made by Oily, or by your similar outrageous liquidation comment many pages ago.
It is you and some (but not all) other Brexiteers who can’t stand arguement without becoming extreme who need to get a life.
Most people in the EU know full well that the best way to avoid repeating Europe’s bloody history is to stand together, as we have done for many decades now. It is you and your isolationist Little Englander mentality that can’t see that.
Spardo:
Oh dear, do I detect a sense of humour by-pass? You must be much older than me to remember hearing Lord HawHaw, and therefore old enough to realise that the ■■■■ regime bore absolutely no resemblance to the EU. The ■■■■ regime wanted to expel and exterminate unwanted residents and imported loads of ‘immigrants’ to do their dirty work. Shame on you for such a comparison.
It’s ironic that the reality of the 3rd Reich was the same anti nation state,centrally ruled,Federal European dictatorship as all the rest.Whether the Napoleonic version or the Austro Hungarian version,or the Soviet version,or Hitler’s version,or the Yugoslav version,or the EU version.What they all had/have in common is your idea of a no borders Europe ruled by big,undemocratically accountable,centralised government,imposed across previously established national borders,in the form of puppet Vichy type governments.
historyimages.blogspot.com/2011 … -1939.html
Now ironically Germany being at the forefront of making amends for all that,in the form of Weidel’s position,regarding reform of the EU into a Confederal Europe.Which,unlike the clearly Soviet Socialist style Nazis,using a Nationalist flag of convenience,is a truly and honourable Nationalist position.Better late than never.So remind us exactly what is your problem with such a reform bearing in mind that as a supposed anti ■■■■ you surely wouldn’t want any particular part,or alliance of parts,of Europe imposing its will on others.
Spardo:
Most people in the EU know full well that the best way to avoid repeating Europe’s bloody history is to stand together, as we have done for many decades now. It is you and your isolationist Little Englander mentality that can’t see that.
I’m sure that plenty of Napoleonic or Soviet or ■■■■ troops used exactly your excuse as they tore down national borders to impose their respective stinking ideologies across Europe.On that note no the best way of avoiding an Austro Hungarian or Yugoslav type war of Federal aggression or Napoleonic/Soviet/■■■■ style take over of Europe is as always by respecting and defending the sovereignty of Europe’s Nation States and boundaries and the local cultures and democratic accountability which that provides.While my version of history says that it was the allied actions ,of independent Nation States,which defeated the imposition of ■■■■ centralised rule across Europe.Just as in the case of Napoleon’s aggressive takeover attempts to impose his ‘continental system’ before that.
Spardo the ■■■■ regime with Hitler at its helm wanted to be the only rulers in Europe by which ever fowl means they had to use and did, smacks of the same today with Germany and there cohorts France wanting to control all there neighbours, they want to dictate to others what will happen and when and tax them hard at the same time, you can ridicule me and others as much as you like as you seem to get some sort of weird pleasure from that but carry on. What I want to know is what you got to show for your working life in the transport world, one thing for sure you would not have made management material as you are far too confrontational your way or the highway now tucked up in a little old shack in France living out you days till your end.
For all intentional purposes this thread was to express views from a wide spectrum of followers but you cannot resist in taking on all and I mean all who dare to comment here so I think its you that is a single minded person that has far too much time to sit on your computer picking fault with every one else’s opinions, that said I doubt it will stop you as you don’t seem to be able to help yourself, I am in despair.
PS. A united Europe you say is that why Portugal as well as Spain are allegedly bypassing Brussels to form agreements with the UK via the back door or is that just make belief as well, just hope another EU member has the balls to tell the EU they have had enough and want to leave, preferably Italy cos they wont be paying any ludicrous parting bill as they are virtually bankrupt.
Awaiting you reply with bated breath which I feel will surely come just like Christmas.
A twisted reply to my post Spardo… I made no mention of any ■■■■ resemblance to the EU of today. The point I was making was your continuing forecasts of doom for Britain after Brexit, pure propaganda from someone who knows no better than anyone else. Give a bit of balance and enlighten us with the future prospects of the the remaining member countries being as one or two are at odds with the laws and demands being foisted upon them by the Brussells/Strasbourg hierarchy, an unelected dictatorship cabal full of cronyism and nepotism, examples of which are well documented.
I have read and enjoyed on other threads your driving experiences in Australia, no fellow members sought to doubt or disagree with your writings and it comes as a surprise to find you can be so snide and disrespectful to posters on this thread.
Oily
These ■■■■■■■ “carping” “whining” ■■■■■■■ Remoaners get right up my ■■■■■■■ nostrils they really ■■■■■■■ do ! Let me ask this question ---- if the vote had been the other way around i.e. 52% in favour of Remaining do you think us sensible ,down to earth, Leavers would have carried on and put up a continuous barrage of doom mongering and demanded a second, third and fourth referendum until we got the vote we wanted ? NO WE ■■■■■■■ WELL WOULDNT !!! We would have accepted the result with good grace as a fair Democratic result ! So all I will say to the Remoaners is we have had a fair democratic vote which didn’t quite go the way the “Establishment” expected so get over it and let the UK break free from the EU which IMHO is going to implode anyway , not IF but When ! Rant over ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
These [zb] “carping” “whining” [zb] Remoaners get right up my [zb] nostrils they really [zb] do ! Let me ask this question ---- if the vote had been the other way around i.e. 52% in favour of Remaining do you think us sensible ,down to earth, Leavers would have carried on and put up a continuous barrage of doom mongering and demanded a second, third and fourth referendum until we got the vote we wanted ? NO WE [zb] WELL WOULDNT !!! We would have accepted the result with good grace as a fair Democratic result ! .
How can anyone possibly accept voting a sovereign nation state out of existence.To the point where future generations having no say in it might foreseeably have to sacrifice their lives in a typical war of secession v Federal aggression in a probably doomed attempt to get their country back.On that note no I for one would never have accepted a Remain vote while the argument between Federalism v Nationalism can rarely if ever be settled democratically because the two opposing sides are too far apart to accept either side’s position.Farage having made a catastrophic mistake,or was it Federal European establishment diversion,in that regard in thinking that the matter was one to be settled by a vote let alone a non binding one as in this case.When as the AfD have shown it’s better to settle the issue from within especially considering UKIP’s superior PR elected presence in the EU parliament and better that and fighting with the AfD for a Confederal Europe within,than handing the agenda back to the quisling EU Federalist UK parliament which is all the ‘referendum’ has done.
Bewick:
These [zb] “carping” “whining” [zb] Remoaners get right up my [zb] nostrils they really [zb] do ! Let me ask this question ---- if the vote had been the other way around i.e. 52% in favour of Remaining do you think us sensible ,down to earth, Leavers would have carried on and put up a continuous barrage of doom mongering and demanded a second, third and fourth referendum until we got the vote we wanted ? NO WE [zb] WELL WOULDNT !!! We would have accepted the result with good grace as a fair Democratic result ! So all I will say to the Remoaners is we have had a fair democratic vote which didn’t quite go the way the “Establishment” expected so get over it and let the UK break free from the EU which IMHO is going to implode anyway , not IF but When ! Rant over ! Cheers Bewick.
Found this saying the other day, I think it’s most appropriate
“Stay well away from negative people, they always have a problem for every solution”…… I think it’s most appropriate today. Anyway why do these people want another referendum for? They haven’t recognised the first yet…
Ossie
I would just like to say a big thank you to all the extreme Brexiteers here and elsewhere. You have made our position in this European Union of ours so much more secure for the future by your utterances which have pushed your fellow extremists on this continent to exactly where they belong. The furthest extremes of the political spectrum. 
socialeurope.eu/the-brexiti … n-politics
If you don’t want to read all of it, this is the most pertinent paragraph:
Brexit has had a profound effect on EU politics, too. Polling commissioned by the European Parliament finds that overall support for EU membership has increased significantly since the Brexit referendum. Deepening divisions within the UK and a painful divorce process seem to have raised awareness about the benefits of EU membership and the costs of populism, while galvanizing all those who still favour an open society.
In a reformed EU on traditional lines Guy Verhofstadt is my preferred candidate for Prime Minister or President.
But definitely not king.
Spardo:
I would just like to say a big thank you to all the extreme Brexiteers here and elsewhere. You have made our position in this European Union of ours so much more secure for the future by your utterances which have pushed your fellow extremists on this continent to exactly where they belong. The furthest extremes of the political spectrum.socialeurope.eu/the-brexiti … n-politics
If you don’t want to read all of it, this is the most pertinent paragraph:
Brexit has had a profound effect on EU politics, too. Polling commissioned by the European Parliament finds that overall support for EU membership has increased significantly since the Brexit referendum. Deepening divisions within the UK and a painful divorce process seem to have raised awareness about the benefits of EU membership and the costs of populism, while galvanizing all those who still favour an open society.
In a reformed EU on traditional lines Guy Verhofstadt is my preferred candidate for Prime Minister or President.
But definitely not king.
No surprise that a poll commissioned by the EU says that Brits actually want to be part of the EU.By definition meaning that the EU obviously isn’t willing to recognise a democratic referendum decision to secede having decided to impose its own bs ‘poll’ instead.While your idea of a ‘reformed’ EU is along so called ‘traditional’ lines which ‘reforms’ what exactly ?.There are only one bunch of extremists here and that’s the dangerous rabble trying to impose the 4th Reich on Europe and in typical Soviet style form not being willing to take no for an answer.
As for the Brit royals it seems obvious that they are on the side of the EU Federation not on the side of the nation’s sovereignty which they supposedly uphold.
Good morning David,
I think it would be fare for me to say I have never come across anyone more bitter than you on any one given subject and for the life of me I can not see why.
If a man goes for a nice walk minding his own business, we will call him Mr Brexit and a little terrier, we will call him Mr remain sees him and runs up to him snapping at his heels he will react and no way should the little terrier say Mr Brexit is the agressor, leave him alone and he will not react, simple.
We had the vote, it was a flat playing field and there was a winner, again, simple.
Who was right or wrong at this stage is not important, what is important (and Iwould say this whoever won) is we must stick together and give it the best shot we can and if it all goes pear shaped in the future then with the bar bill we had, what club would not want us back.
Please dont just pick holes in what I have said, I amsure most people will understand the point made. Harvey
Spardo:
socialeurope.eu/the-brexiti … n-politicsIf you don’t want to read all of it, this is the most pertinent paragraph:
Brexit has had a profound effect on EU politics, too. Polling commissioned by the European Parliament finds that overall support for EU membership has increased significantly since the Brexit referendum. Deepening divisions within the UK and a painful divorce process seem to have raised awareness about the benefits of EU membership and the costs of populism, while galvanizing all those who still favour an open society.
The part highlighted is, I feel,the most pertinent part of the most pertinent paragraph.
HRS:
Good morning David,
I think it would be fare for me to say I have never come across anyone more bitter than you on any one given subject and for the life of me I can not see why.
If a man goes for a nice walk minding his own business, we will call him Mr Brexit and a little terrier, we will call him Mr remain sees him and runs up to him snapping at his heels he will react and no way should the little terrier say Mr Brexit is the agressor,
Federalists always conveniently paint any form of secession or dissent as an aggressive act.While also seeing the need to use force to impose their dictatorial anti nation state agenda and Federal rule as a justified defensive act.Very dangerous people with a control freak mentality.