Franglais:
ramone:
I havent read much of this but it looks like someone is dominating it , i will be voting out , i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others , how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country , if Germany want to let millions of refugees in let them get on with it but dont involve the ones who dont want to follow suit , if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them we should all be independent and still work together .The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock`s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law . Lets put our little island back on track instead of being constantly bullied into laws and regulations we dont want 
Let`s look at a coupla points here:
" i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others"
Assume we leave the EU:
We will be free to form Trade Agreements as we like. The money we dont send to the EU can be used to fund the thousands of negotiators well be sending to our new, prospective, partners in, where?
Most likely trading market is the… guess what…? Eu… Pop of 508 million. Next door. So some of the money we wont be sending to them will be given to new inexperienced UK civil servants to haggle with them. They choose from their negotiators from half a billion, we choose from 65million. All exports from us will of course have to conform to EU regs. But in that future we will have no say in making those regs. Some more of the money saved, will have to go to trade negotiators for our USA clients. USA market is of 320 million. Its quite a bit further than EU so car plant “just in time” deliveries aint an option. Their farmers are gov subsidised, to the extent that poorly paid Central and South American countries cant compete.
Australia? We could spend some more of our our (dwindling) savings on another army of new negotiators to spend a coupla years telling the Aussies that they trade with us, not their existing TPP (TransPacificPartnership) colleagues. That market of 24 million is in desperate need of goods unable to be supplied by their partners such as USA, Japan, Canada, etc. But I aint sure what? Nearest? Biggest? market is the EU, and if weve left we`ve no say in standards in that market.
" how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country"
The same way London tells Norfolk what colour its street signs are to be. The same way Hampshire tells Winchester how to paint its schools. It`s levels of responsibility in Government.
“if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them”
They do work 35hrs. We don`t. We trade. So nowt wrong there then.
"The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnocks done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law" Im not happy about the Commissioner system in the EU. But surely there is a movement for change there now. From the inside we can do summat to change it. From outside we can`t. So glad our domestic politicians are above any corruption vis-a-vis housing allowances, employing relatives, cash for questions, etc.
Imagine EU food labels if we came out of the EU…
Would we suddenly have supermarket shelfs stocked with brown paper bags with no ingredients labels?? I think not. Being in the EU means one label is good thro out the EU zone of over 500 million consumers, and we get a say on that labelling. If as outsiders we wanna trade with the EU we obey all the same regs, but don`t get to vote on what those regs are.
Voting “out” will NOT turn back the clock to the fifties and sixties when we had an independent manufacturing base, our own coal, and oil about to be tapped. Australia, NZ, SA, have grown up and dont rely on us any more as trade partners. You can analyse about the causes, mistakes etc of the above, but I dont see how you can deny the truth of it.
I would give a fuller explanation, of my point, but I`ve a serious fear of hitting delete rather than submit…
So what you are assuming is if we leave the EU we wont be able to trade with EU countries , why not , what about all the companies in the EU that own British companies ■■? we trade with the USA they arent in the EU we dont seem to have a problem with that , i would go as far as to say i would much sooner see stronger links to the USA than a set of countries that quite clearly dont respect us. Dont know where youre going with the labelling crap either i bought a couple of bottles of juice from ASDA the other day and the labels ingredients were written in Polish.
Being in the EU to me means having to adhere to laws that have been inflicted on us by Euro MPs who have never been democratically elected , whats good for France isn`t nessessarily good for Britain , whats good for Germany may not work in Holland we should govern our own countries and trade freely without restraints.
No ones saying voting out will turn the clock back but it will cut the ridiculous ties we have of having to do it the EU way and hopefully we can get shut of the Human Rights Law that made Cherie Blair and her husband multi millionaires and left poor victims of crime distraught and criminals laughing all the way to a life of luxury , much the same way as the Blairs did.
