I was finished with this but he y ,ho Carryfast has shown his true colours, I wondered why he was always so controversial …
peggydeckboy:
I was finished with this but he y ,ho Carryfast has shown his true colours, I wondered why he was always so controversial …
True colours. 
I’d already made it clear I’m a Nationalist.Which as I said obviously means anti federalist respect for the right of self determination for all whether the EU or the UK.
yes ok ,but where! we do not have a Nationalist organisation HERE, DO WE in England…?well at lest your honest.
gazzer:
Who were the first economic migrants? The Irish? Potato famine? Was there an outrage then upon their arrival? I don’t know I wasn’t there. They are integrated into UK life now.
How many Jews came in? Any uproar on their arrival? They are definately integrated.
The Jamaicans and West Indians? Indians courtesy of the British Empire rules, Pakistanis as a result of their persecution (ongoing) by the Indians, well ensconsed into society.
All eastern Europeans around here who filled vacant positions in transport, were put on the same pay structure as existing drivers. Companies petrified of legal claims at a later date. There are also a lot of unscrupulous business owners who use them for 3 months and then bin them (Brits included). Shunter job going in Southampton Docks at the moment…no takers…would it be wrong for an EU licenced driver to take the job to feed his family, wherever they might be. Maybe if the Operator doubled the pay he might draw a Brit from another job…but who fills his spot?
The under 50’s voting IN, good point, they’ve experienced freedom of movement and won’t want to give it up lightl have you got yourself a new job in International public relations sounds like you have. You work here but reside in Spain so you can’t like this place all that much.Gazzer have you got your self a job in public relations sounds as if you have, you work here but live in Spain so you obviously don’t like this place too much.
The Jews came here to avoid persecution by ■■■■ Germany and certain death if caught, if you were Jewish in Germany at that time you would have done the same and if I was of that religion there is no way I would have forgiven those evil gits not even today.
As for the Commonwealth entrants we used there countries to better our power and well being in the world mainly for trade betterment but most of those states have been now handed back to there sovereignty .
As for employing any body which I have taken on quite a few in my time, if they are not white British Nationals I would not even go there it simply is not worth it and my reason for this was singular and that is racial discrimination, having no interest in going to court to fight a case on that score you simply would not win.
As for the under 50’s that’s up to them if they bother to vote at all but we are both past that so what ever the outcome if it indeed does proceed is not going to bother us for too much longer.
And as a finishing note in this bonkers world and just to get you all going what the hell will happen if Donald Trump gets elected as President of the USA it is not past the realms of reality then where will we all end up, just a thought, good evening to you all Buzzer.
Buzzer, a point well made concerning Mr Donald Trump, the thought of him as President of the good old USA does not bear thinking about. If we are talking of lying politicians then he must surely be towards the top of the tree, a very clever man who knows how to manipulate words and people to get exactly what he wants. Ask the inhabitants of Balmedie in Scotland who were promised millions of dollars in investments and hundreds of jobs at Trump’s golf course complex, so far only around a hundred jobs have been created and instead of the 450 room hotel that was planned a large house has been converted into a small hotel, nor has there been any sign of the hundreds of private houses that were supposed to be built.
He has pulled the wool over the eyes of Scottish politicians who no doubt thought that they would personally benefit from Trumps fairytales. Unfortunately there are a lot of Americans who live in the past and believe the hype that their country is the greatest place in the world and it can do no wrong, yes it is a fantastic country geographically and I lived there for 7 years and loved it and met a lot of great people but then as a nation they are very media led and a lot have no idea of what goes on outside of America nor care. World news is not very widely shown on tv, indeed 70% of americans don’t have a passport, many have’nt even travelled outside of their own state.
But Trump tells them what he thinks they want to hear and they love him for it, and he is a man used to getting his own way by whatever means. Telling his supporters that he will build a wall between the USA and Mexico and that Mexico will pay for it is cloud cuckoo land, there is already a wall in place for much of the border which you can see from the interstate highway which runs alongside. One has to hope that if he becomes the Republican nominee that Hilary Clinton with her knowledge of international relations will beat him to the White House as with Trumps attitude he will surely alienate the rest of the world.
peggydeckboy:
yes ok ,but where! we do not have a Nationalist organisation HERE, DO WE in England…?well at lest your honest.
Assuming we get lumbered with being stuck with the EU because of the Scottish vote it’s likely that we’ll see an increasing level of support for English independence.The question then being why the bias among the in campaign which thinks Scottish independence is ok if the vote doesn’t go their way in staying but not for the English if we vote out and the Scots vote in.Probably because the SNP are a bunch of lying Federalist/Socialist zb’s masquerading under a Nationalist banner and the Scots aren’t bright enough to understand the difference and inconsistency. 
YES ,I do see what you say, is correct , perhaps I am a nationalist and did not know it WHOOPS.
Not a bad response five pages in one week certainly fired up some of you, but gone a little quieter now eh, Buzzer.
4 of them by Carryfast
I havent read much of this but it looks like someone is dominating it , i will be voting out , i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others , how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country , if Germany want to let millions of refugees in let them get on with it but dont involve the ones who dont want to follow suit , if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them we should all be independent and still work together .The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock`s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law . Lets put our little island back on track instead of being constantly bullied into laws and regulations we dont want 
ramone:
I havent read much of this but it looks like someone is dominating it , i will be voting out , i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others , how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country , if Germany want to let millions of refugees in let them get on with it but dont involve the ones who dont want to follow suit , if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them we should all be independent and still work together .The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock`s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law . Lets put our little island back on track instead of being constantly bullied into laws and regulations we dont want
Spot on,that’s my sentiments exactly.I’m voting out. 
Mike.
ramone sums it up for me he has put into words what I am thinking
Well said Ramone, too many tossers screwing the system and feathering there own nests, god it makes me mad. We are not in control at all here in Britain, you can drop the prefix Great as it no longer applies here. Any ways Angela Merkel let all them immigrants in but some of there citizens don’t want them there in Germany for the same reasons we don’t want them here, last week they set fire to a old hotel that was going to house 300 or so of them and then tried to prevent the fire engines getting there to put it out so it was no accidental fire.
Why are we waiting for a referendum anyways, we should do it now and stop all this cross channel ferrying of ministers trying to hatch a deal we simply don’t want especially as it is costing us a fortune…
Kerbut you are right about carryfast and eddiesnax, those two should have a direct line with each other or agree to meet up for a week cos it would take them that long to sort out there differences, much the nsame as the EU tossers. Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Well said Ramone, too many tossers screwing the system and feathering there own nests, god it makes me mad. We are not in control at all here in Britain, you can drop the prefix Great as it no longer applies here. Any ways Angela Merkel let all them immigrants in but some of there citizens don’t want them there in Germany for the same reasons we don’t want them here, last week they set fire to a old hotel that was going to house 300 or so of them and then tried to prevent the fire engines getting there to put it out so it was no accidental fire.
Why are we waiting for a referendum anyways, we should do it now and stop all this cross channel ferrying of ministers trying to hatch a deal we simply don’t want especially as it is costing us a fortune…Kerbut you are right about carryfast and eddiesnax, those two should have a direct line with each other or agree to meet up for a week cos it would take them that long to sort out there differences, much the nsame as the EU tossers. Buzzer.
Buzzer,
Just thinking from a haulier point of view (nothing to do with immigrants etc) do you think it could work with Britain out of the eu ?
I’m sure we all remember the days of permits and eec books and such like.
So what I’m getting at here, is if one your motors was empty in, we’ll say Italy and no loads back to England, only a load to Germany available… Can you do it ? As not being in the eu you couldn’t…
Having said that all exports from uk would have to be done by uk lorries. Or not ?
I live in Spain, and have done for the last 14 years and it’s such a bloody annoying complex system that the whole of Europe have set up, and zero controls on which lorries are going where. I think it’s all a bit too late too make it come right.
My lorries / tanks have no checks whatsoever when out of Spain, we can load Spain to Italy, italy to holland, holland to Belgium, belgium to wherever, and no one checks or cares…
The job has been overrun by cheap haulage without controls, and the British are the only ones that seem to adhere to any rules…
Half of the big frigo Hauliers here have Romania or Bulgarian or Portuguese registered motors, and drivers from all over the planet and beyond.
I just think it’s all a bit little too late.
Probably sounds like I’m rambling, but it’s a bloody annoying situation that the whole of Europe is in and I can’t see the way to get it back to normal…
Any thoughts?
Tubbysboy , I hope that if Britain comes out of the EU that all the BG,PO, RO, BG lorries running around will have to have permits / Cabotage permits and have to clear with Carnet TIR orT2,s to operate in the UK ,that would give UK hauliers a fairer chance against them and would be a way that the road tax for use in the UK would be collected from them .
ramone:
I havent read much of this but it looks like someone is dominating it , i will be voting out , i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others , how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country , if Germany want to let millions of refugees in let them get on with it but dont involve the ones who dont want to follow suit , if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them we should all be independent and still work together .The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock`s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law . Lets put our little island back on track instead of being constantly bullied into laws and regulations we dont want
Let`s look at a coupla points here:
" i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others"
Assume we leave the EU:
We will be free to form Trade Agreements as we like. The money we dont send to the EU can be used to fund the thousands of negotiators well be sending to our new, prospective, partners in, where?
Most likely trading market is the… guess what…? Eu… Pop of 508 million. Next door. So some of the money we wont be sending to them will be given to new inexperienced UK civil servants to haggle with them. They choose from their negotiators from half a billion, we choose from 65million. All exports from us will of course have to conform to EU regs. But in that future we will have no say in making those regs. Some more of the money saved, will have to go to trade negotiators for our USA clients. USA market is of 320 million. Its quite a bit further than EU so car plant “just in time” deliveries aint an option. Their farmers are gov subsidised, to the extent that poorly paid Central and South American countries cant compete.
Australia? We could spend some more of our our (dwindling) savings on another army of new negotiators to spend a coupla years telling the Aussies that they trade with us, not their existing TPP (TransPacificPartnership) colleagues. That market of 24 million is in desperate need of goods unable to be supplied by their partners such as USA, Japan, Canada, etc. But I aint sure what? Nearest? Biggest? market is the EU, and if weve left we`ve no say in standards in that market.
" how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country"
The same way London tells Norfolk what colour its street signs are to be. The same way Hampshire tells Winchester how to paint its schools. It`s levels of responsibility in Government.
“if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them”
They do work 35hrs. We don`t. We trade. So nowt wrong there then.
"The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnocks done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law" Im not happy about the Commissioner system in the EU. But surely there is a movement for change there now. From the inside we can do summat to change it. From outside we can`t. So glad our domestic politicians are above any corruption vis-a-vis housing allowances, employing relatives, cash for questions, etc.
Imagine EU food labels if we came out of the EU…
Would we suddenly have supermarket shelfs stocked with brown paper bags with no ingredients labels?? I think not. Being in the EU means one label is good thro out the EU zone of over 500 million consumers, and we get a say on that labelling. If as outsiders we wanna trade with the EU we obey all the same regs, but don`t get to vote on what those regs are.
Voting “out” will NOT turn back the clock to the fifties and sixties when we had an independent manufacturing base, our own coal, and oil about to be tapped. Australia, NZ, SA, have grown up and dont rely on us any more as trade partners. You can analyse about the causes, mistakes etc of the above, but I dont see how you can deny the truth of it.
I would give a fuller explanation, of my point, but I`ve a serious fear of hitting delete rather than submit…
Tubbysboy.
At a guess theyd be reciprocal agreements reached as before: Assuming "out" vote. They let UK trucks tip in the EU and reload for the UK. We let EU trucks tip in the UK and reload for the EU. We wouldnt let an EU truck do a domestic UK run. They wouldnt let us do an internal EU run. Given the size difference between the EU and the UK I think wed be holding the very mucky end of a short stick.
I dunno if that is how it`d be, just a guess…
Franglais:
Tubbysboy.
At a guess theyd be reciprocal agreements reached as before: Assuming "out" vote. They let UK trucks tip in the EU and reload for the UK. We let EU trucks tip in the UK and reload for the EU. We wouldnt let an EU truck do a domestic UK run. They wouldnt let us do an internal EU run. Given the size difference between the EU and the UK I think wed be holding the very mucky end of a short stick.
I dunno if that is how it`d be, just a guess…
Which obviously selectively over looks the fact that we can determine ‘how many’ EU trucks tip in the UK and reload for the EU v ours vice versa based on a 50/50 quota.Bearing in mind the inbalance between East Euro trucks v ours running between the EU and UK as it stands.On that basis as in all other trade matters we can only win by getting out on the basis that we stand to gain more in UK-Euro traffic quotas than what we lose in inter EU traffic.In addition to removing the issue of cabotage here.Also bearing in mind that there’s not much point in running anywhere whether here or over there if it means open competition with East Euro rates.
But the in campaign obviously has Blair,the Chinese Communist Party,Obama’s government and a bunch of bankers onside so what can possibly go wrong for it.
Franglais:
ramone:
I havent read much of this but it looks like someone is dominating it , i will be voting out , i dont understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others , how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country , if Germany want to let millions of refugees in let them get on with it but dont involve the ones who dont want to follow suit , if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them we should all be independent and still work together .The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock`s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law . Lets put our little island back on track instead of being constantly bullied into laws and regulations we dont wantLet`s look at a coupla points here:
" i don
t understand why we need to be an alliance why cant we all run our own countries and still trade with others"
Assume we leave the EU:
We will be free to form Trade Agreements as we like. The money we dont send to the EU can be used to fund the thousands of negotiators well be sending to our new, prospective, partners in, where?
Most likely trading market is the… guess what…? Eu… Pop of 508 million. Next door. So some of the money we wont be sending to them will be given to new inexperienced UK civil servants to haggle with them. They choose from their negotiators from half a billion, we choose from 65million. All exports from us will of course have to conform to EU regs. But in that future we will have no say in making those regs. Some more of the money saved, will have to go to trade negotiators for our USA clients. USA market is of 320 million. Its quite a bit further than EU so car plant “just in time” deliveries aint an option. Their farmers are gov subsidised, to the extent that poorly paid Central and South American countries cant compete.
Australia? We could spend some more of our our (dwindling) savings on another army of new negotiators to spend a coupla years telling the Aussies that they trade with us, not their existing TPP (TransPacificPartnership) colleagues. That market of 24 million is in desperate need of goods unable to be supplied by their partners such as USA, Japan, Canada, etc. But I aint sure what? Nearest? Biggest? market is the EU, and if weve left we`ve no say in standards in that market." how can Brussells tell us how we should run our country"
The same way London tells Norfolk what colour its street signs are to be. The same way Hampshire tells Winchester how to paint its schools. It`s levels of responsibility in Government.“if France want to work 35 hours a week good luck to them , why should that affect us trading with them”
They do work 35hrs. We don`t. We trade. So nowt wrong there then."The EU is jobs for the boys Kinnock
s done well out of it Blair too and his wife even better with the human rights law" Im not happy about the Commissioner system in the EU. But surely there is a movement for change there now. From the inside we can do summat to change it. From outside we can`t. So glad our domestic politicians are above any corruption vis-a-vis housing allowances, employing relatives, cash for questions, etc.Imagine EU food labels if we came out of the EU…
Would we suddenly have supermarket shelfs stocked with brown paper bags with no ingredients labels?? I think not. Being in the EU means one label is good thro out the EU zone of over 500 million consumers, and we get a say on that labelling. If as outsiders we wanna trade with the EU we obey all the same regs, but don`t get to vote on what those regs are.Voting “out” will NOT turn back the clock to the fifties and sixties when we had an independent manufacturing base, our own coal, and oil about to be tapped. Australia, NZ, SA, have grown up and don
t rely on us any more as trade partners. You can analyse about the causes, mistakes etc of the above, but I dont see how you can deny the truth of it.
I would give a fuller explanation, of my point, but I`ve a serious fear of hitting delete rather than submit…
Well said 
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Tubbysboy.
At a guess theyd be reciprocal agreements reached as before: Assuming "out" vote. They let UK trucks tip in the EU and reload for the UK. We let EU trucks tip in the UK and reload for the EU. We wouldnt let an EU truck do a domestic UK run. They wouldnt let us do an internal EU run. Given the size difference between the EU and the UK I think wed be holding the very mucky end of a short stick.
I dunno if that is how it`d be, just a guess…Which obviously selectively over looks the fact that we can determine ‘how many’ EU trucks tip in the UK and reload for the EU v ours vice versa based on a 50/50 quota.Bearing in mind the inbalance between East Euro trucks v ours running between the EU and UK as it stands.On that basis as in all other trade matters we can only win by getting out on the basis that we stand to gain more in UK-Euro traffic quotas than what we lose in inter EU traffic.In addition to removing the issue of cabotage here.Also bearing in mind that there’s not much point in running anywhere whether here or over there if it means open competition with East Euro rates.
But the in campaign obviously has Blair,the Chinese Communist Party,Obama’s government and a bunch of bankers onside so what can possibly go wrong for it.
Maybe itd be "x"thousand permits for UK trucks to go to EU and "x"thousand permits for EU trucks to go to UK. Thats reciprocity.
Of course thats up for negotiation. So some more civil servants for us to train and send off to Brussels. Glad to see were saving so much.
Oh, and remember the coveted pink cabotage books we had? Need more people to negotiate for, and administer them. And think one of those could save an EU running empty the length of the UK. And save a UK running empty the length of Europe. Not an equal swap?? Those negotiations wont be easy, and thats the tip of an enormous admin iceberg. To be paid for by the UK tax payer. We could end up saving less than we spend getting to where we were 30 years ago! I dont get it. And only goes to show that nothing is 100% perfect. I mean if Blair is now on the correct side over this, then even he aint a 100% perfect ~~~~!