Eu referendum whats your vote

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

Juddian:
CF, whilst i don’t agree with you about boycotting the referendum (if for no other reason than to see how far they’ll go sway/fix/fiddle the result), i do agree with the others who think those in charge, the banks and big business both here and abroad, are going to have their way and we’ll be doing an Irish Jig and voting repeatedly after however many fake renegotiations, till the proletariat do as they as supposed to.

And thats supposing the OUT vote could win it anyway, which i have the gravest doubts over, we have generations of people now with no sense of history, nor guts that previous generations who fought them had, nor patriotism, nor faith in themselves nor other genuine British people.

I tend to think the fourth reich is going to win the wars they previously couldn’t by force, with money and favours and propaganda.
I hope those agree with the coming subjugation live long enough to explain to their grandchildren (assuming real British history hasn’t been rewritten out) why they surrendered when their parents and grandparents stood four square against the Germans, many of whom paying the ultimate price.

I think Cameron’s statement that this will be the ‘last’ ever chance to leave makes it clear that the vote is actually about sealing us in and removing any right of secession for future generations. On that note on the contrary.It’s essential to remove the credibility of that inevitably rigged federalist scam by boycotting the vote.The fact is this is very serious stuff of which secessionist war nightmares are made from but make no mistake that’s probably where it will inevitably end up sooner or later and those future generations on the secessionist side will need to know that they’ve got right on their side in the form of that historic boycotted vote that started their movement from that point.

If you believe that you are so in the right, and to be honest at least on this forum, and other places I’ve been, and had to endure tirades when I say I’m for In, most of this Country, its pretty over whelming statement of Out. If that comes to pass, I wont stand on the side lines and claim that the system is rigged, I will know that I will have voted to stay In, but that I was fairly judged to be in a minority. Why don’t you execise the democratic right, you so vehemently believe is being stolen, to get your wish to take our nation Out.

[eddie_snax]

double post

[carryfast]

eddie snax:
If Churchill had been listened to during the 1930’s, then britain would not have formed the 1935 naval agreement with Germany, breaking the Treaty of Versaille’s, thus allowing Hitler to create a more modern tonnage of vessel than the Royal Navy had at the time. Britain might have got onto a war footing, after the militarisation of the Rhineland in 1936. These and other actions by Hitler, were the precursor to WW2, and at anytime, our politicians could of acted more decisively to stifle Hitler. Maybe, had we been gearing up for war earlier, maybe in 1936, the British forces massed in northern France by 1940, would have been better equipped to take on the German army, and the Dunkirk evacuation would never of needed to happen, France might not have fallen, and the whole coarse of the war would have been shorter and less horrific.
As I said before, the elite of this country were more worried about the Communists in Russia, and Spain for that matter.

If Churchill had advised the cabinet to tell France and Russia to do one and stayed neutral in 1914 there would never have been a WW1 and 2.

Yes admittedly the Channel stopped Hitler’s tanks over running our air fields after the fall of France.But the fact remains given the Polish airforce’s type hardware Hitler still would have been marching down the Mall in Summer 1940.As for us not being armed well enough or soon enough for the war that everyone knew was coming that was more an issue of cash.Bearing in mind that even the development money for the Spitfire was no sure government provided thing and money spent on the navy meant less for the air force in general.Thank zb they chose to spend what they had wisely in that regard.Although unfortunately obviously not for the poor Brit tank crews and infantry.As for naval spending WW2 was never going to be won by battleships.It was a war of air power on land and sea in addition to hardware on land the latter having had to be compromised by that lack of spending power caused by WW1.In which case it’s lucky that America entered the war when it did.Although without the Spitfire that would obviously have been too late.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
I think Cameron’s statement that this will be the ‘last’ ever chance to leave makes it clear that the vote is actually about sealing us in and removing any right of secession for future generations. On that note on the contrary.It’s essential to remove the credibility of that inevitably rigged federalist scam by boycotting the vote.The fact is this is very serious stuff of which secessionist war nightmares are made from but make no mistake that’s probably where it will inevitably end up sooner or later and those future generations on the secessionist side will need to know that they’ve got right on their side in the form of that historic boycotted vote that started their movement from that point.

If you believe that you are so in the right, and to be honest at least on this forum, and other places I’ve been, and had to endure tirades when I say I’m for In, most of this Country, its pretty over whelming statement of Out. If that comes to pass, I wont stand on the side lines and claim that the system is rigged, I will know that I will have voted to stay In, but that I was fairly judged to be in a minority. Why don’t you execise the democratic right, you so vehemently believe is being stolen, to get your wish to take our nation Out.

Because ‘if’ we are dealing with a government which has not only compromised the nation’s sovereignty but has now also made a deal behind closed doors which removes the right of future secession from the EU then we obviously can’t trust any ‘referendum’ organised by that same government.While not boycotting it gives credibility to that statement and thereby removes the credibility of any future secessionist movement which will inevitably have to follow for future generations to take their country back.

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
I think Cameron’s statement that this will be the ‘last’ ever chance to leave makes it clear that the vote is actually about sealing us in and removing any right of secession for future generations. On that note on the contrary.It’s essential to remove the credibility of that inevitably rigged federalist scam by boycotting the vote.The fact is this is very serious stuff of which secessionist war nightmares are made from but make no mistake that’s probably where it will inevitably end up sooner or later and those future generations on the secessionist side will need to know that they’ve got right on their side in the form of that historic boycotted vote that started their movement from that point.

If you believe that you are so in the right, and to be honest at least on this forum, and other places I’ve been, and had to endure tirades when I say I’m for In, most of this Country, its pretty over whelming statement of Out. If that comes to pass, I wont stand on the side lines and claim that the system is rigged, I will know that I will have voted to stay In, but that I was fairly judged to be in a minority. Why don’t you execise the democratic right, you so vehemently believe is being stolen, to get your wish to take our nation Out.

Because ‘if’ we are dealing with a government which has not only compromised the nation’s sovereignty but has now also made a deal behind closed doors which removes the right of future secession from the EU then we obviously can’t trust any ‘referendum’ organised by that same government.While not boycotting it gives credibility to that statement and thereby removes the credibility of any future secessionist movement which will inevitably have to follow for future generations to take their country back.

At some point you have to be believe, that what is up front is every thing.

[eddie_snax]

peggydeckboy:
WELL Buzzer, I liked your last post.
This is not a personal ,but the BRITs who live abroad ,who are “migrants” in some other country, should have no say what so ever, you jumped ship, stay where you are, and keep stum . spending your pension money [yes you may have earned it]but it was meant for this country’s benefit, to go round like all our UK cash, keep it here ,what is my point ,none, I just wanted to say it…

So on that basis, all those migrants to this country, whom are working and paying tax, in this country, and spending their disposable income in this country, benefitting this country by making the £’s go round, do they get a vote, or is it just for those that share your view point. Just wanted to know.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:
So on that basis, all those migrants to this country, whom are working and paying tax, in this country, and spending their disposable income in this country, benefitting this country by making the £’s go round, do they get a vote, or is it just for those that share your view point. Just wanted to know.

That would depend on the definition of ‘benefitting’ meaning British jobs for foreign workers,over supplying the labour market thereby depressing wage rates and competing with the domestic indigenous workforce for limited job opportunities.Let alone being able to vote on an issue concerning national sovereignty with the conflict of interest of it obviously potentially affecting their own foreign national interest.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:
At some point you have to be believe, that what is up front is every thing.

On that basis the campaign case is based on the lie that Cameron has returned powers of sovereignty when he clearly hasn’t.While actually being a decision as to the removal of all further future rights of secession.

[peggydeckboy]

Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE if not NO ! MY OPINION .Buzzers lit the blue touch paper and stood well back…we have prominent self taught historians , know all personal ,barrack room lawyers, mess room socialists, and a lot of men on here who do not give one monkey f----s I’m done with this post “carry on pike.”

[eddie_snax]

peggydeckboy:
Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE if not NO ! MY OPINION ."

Fair dues, that’s seems perfectly reasonable to Me.

peggydeckboy:
.Buzzers lit the blue touch paper and stood well back…we have prominent self taught historians , know all personal ,barrack room lawyers, mess room socialists, and a lot of men on here who do not give one monkey f----s I’m done with this post “carry on pike.”

MMM think I fall into more than one of those, but this is what the forum is for, surely. I don’t agree with many so it would seem on this subject, but I do respect the passion with which those views are being aired, and largely without to much mud slinging, and that’s very refreshing

[buzzer]

peggydeckboy:
Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE if not NO ! MY OPINION .Buzzers lit the blue touch paper and stood well back…we have prominent self taught historians , know all personal ,barrack room lawyers, mess room socialists, and a lot of men on here who do not give one monkey f----s I’m done with this post “carry on pike.”

Well said PDB when I posted this subject it was asking In or Out vote and why, not in my widest dreams did I expect a (if we had done this or that) lessons on the two world wars which should remain what they are which is history, what we are discussing here is what’s happening now. PDB you will also have to refrain from viewing all news programmes as well as the content for the next four months will be on BRexit for sure.
On the other hand you can keep following the DIT thread as I have a feeling you enjoy that far more, Buzzer.

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:
So on that basis, all those migrants to this country, whom are working and paying tax, in this country, and spending their disposable income in this country, benefitting this country by making the £’s go round, do they get a vote, or is it just for those that share your view point. Just wanted to know.

That would depend on the definition of ‘benefitting’ meaning British jobs for foreign workers,over supplying the labour market thereby depressing wage rates and competing with the domestic indigenous workforce for limited job opportunities.Let alone being able to vote on an issue concerning national sovereignty with the conflict of interest of it obviously potentially affecting their own foreign national interest.

I do agree that the east Europeans, have had a deflationary effect on wages, but so did the peace dividend of the 90’s, when many squaddies got an HGV as a sweetener to the loss of their chosen military career, and so did the NMW, as all employers seem to use this as yard stick, instead of working out the true worth of a job, and a reflection of local income pressures.

Though I’m less than impressed by the attitude of some of My fellow indigenous workers, who seem to have accepted there lot, and rolled over and let the foreign workers take their jobs, or not gone to fill those jobs when they were available, and I’m talking pre 2004, before the migrant onslaught.

I do agree, that it is not for the migrant workers to take this decision, unless they have taken british citizenship, which if a European citizen they would have been unlikely to have done.

Buzzer:

peggydeckboy:
Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE if not NO ! MY OPINION .Buzzers lit the blue touch paper and stood well back…we have prominent self taught historians , know all personal ,barrack room lawyers, mess room socialists, and a lot of men on here who do not give one monkey f----s I’m done with this post “carry on pike.”

Well said PDB when I posted this subject it was asking In or Out vote and why, not in my widest dreams did I expect a (if we had done this or that) lessons on the two world wars which should remain what they are which is history, what we are discussing here is what’s happening now. PDB you will also have to refrain from viewing all news programmes as well as the content for the next four months will be on BRexit for sure.
On the other hand you can keep following the DIT thread as I have a feeling you enjoy that far more, Buzzer.

The whole Military history thing started off, as a discussion about EU federalism, and that leading to an EU military, and I believe, as I’m sure Carryfast will concur, it is relevant to any EU In or Out discussion. Tis true it might have got a bit out hand, but has been a refection of the passion of the subject at hand. Thank you for posting the OP

[carryfast]

peggydeckboy:
Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE

Feel free to explain the penalty for taking the ‘oath of citizenship’ and then still voting according to ethnic home national interest.The fact is turkeys don’t vote for christmas unless they are stupid turkeys.

As for the ‘oath’ I’ve never needed to take any such oath and I believe in the breakup of the United Kingdom and I’m mostly English and partly Irish not British and don’t believe in a definition of nationality based on anything but jus Sanguinis and would refuse to state any bs oath that says otherwise.In which case I would possibly fail it thereby meaning that I’m an undesirable alien in my own country.Also bearing in mind that even members of the Royal Family have stated their support for compromising National Sovereignty in the form of the treaties of Rome,Maastricht and Lisbon.

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

peggydeckboy:
Ha Eddie snax, if they have taken the British oath of citizen ship , THEN YES THEY VOTE

Feel free to explain the penalty for taking the ‘oath of citizenship’ and then still voting according to ethnic home national interest.The fact is turkeys don’t vote for christmas unless they are stupid turkeys.

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From hearing voxpops on the radio, most migrants who’ve taken British citizenship, seem to be the type of turkey who want to pull up the draw bridge.

Carryfast:
As for the ‘oath’ I’ve never needed to take any such oath and I believe in the breakup of the United Kingdom and I’m mostly English and partly Irish not British .

Me neither, and would fail, if it involves swearing allegiance to the Monarch. My nationality is the fact that I’ve been born and raised an Englishman, that’s My good fortune

Carryfast:
bearing in mind that even members of the Royal Family have stated their support for compromising National Sovereignty in the form of the treaties of Rome,Maastricht and Lisbon.

Well the sooner that bunch of hypocrites is replaced the better, cant stand them, talk about unaccountable power, the EU commissioners have nothing on that bunch

[john_mcvey]

Carryfast:

John McVey:
The vote will be driven by young intelligent people who see themselves as European and enjoy the freedom to travel and work, so we will be staying in

Spare us the Socialist dream.

Yes we know like the millions arriving from Asia who think exactly the same.The question is who actually rules this great federal zb up utopia that you and those like you are trying to create.

You misunderstand me, I’m yet to be convinced in or out, if I had to vote today I would vote to leave the EU, my point is the majority of voters will be under 50 and be not only in some way locked in to being in the EU but also happy to be so

[carryfast]

John McVey:

Carryfast:

John McVey:
The vote will be driven by young intelligent people who see themselves as European and enjoy the freedom to travel and work, so we will be staying in

Spare us the Socialist dream.

Yes we know like the millions arriving from Asia who think exactly the same.The question is who actually rules this great federal zb up utopia that you and those like you are trying to create.

You misunderstand me, I’m yet to be convinced in or out,

Apologies for that.I mistakenly took your statement at face value as one of support for the situation.

[gazzer]

Who were the first economic migrants? The Irish? Potato famine? Was there an outrage then upon their arrival? I don’t know I wasn’t there. They are integrated into UK life now.
How many Jews came in? Any uproar on their arrival? They are definately integrated.
The Jamaicans and West Indians? Indians courtesy of the British Empire rules, Pakistanis as a result of their persecution (ongoing) by the Indians, well ensconsed into society.
All eastern Europeans around here who filled vacant positions in transport, were put on the same pay structure as existing drivers. Companies petrified of legal claims at a later date. There are also a lot of unscrupulous business owners who use them for 3 months and then bin them (Brits included). Shunter job going in Southampton Docks at the moment…no takers…would it be wrong for an EU licenced driver to take the job to feed his family, wherever they might be. Maybe if the Operator doubled the pay he might draw a Brit from another job…but who fills his spot?
The under 50’s voting IN, good point, they’ve experienced freedom of movement and won’t want to give it up lightly.

[cactus_jaxx]

Looks like a no brainer. We’ve no objection to trade, it’s the endless round of rules & regs! Let’s work from a position of strength. OUT! OUT! OUT!

[carryfast]

gazzer:
Who were the first economic migrants? The Irish? Potato famine? Was there an outrage then upon their arrival?

Spare us the bs most of the Irish emigrants went to America to get away from the Brits with relatively few choosing to come here usually by necessity not choice as in the case of my grandmother.While others died fighting to take their country back from the UK federation that caused the famine.Bearing in mind that English land owners were exporting Irish meat with the Irish being kept too poor to feed themselves.IE no one needs to die of starvation just because they can’t get potatoes in one of the best beef producing countries in the world.On that note no one was dying of starvation this side of the Irish sea.

[gazsa401]

gazzer:
Who were the first economic migrants? The Irish? Potato famine? Was there an outrage then upon their arrival? I don’t know I wasn’t there. They are integrated into UK life now.
How many Jews came in? Any uproar on their arrival? They are definately integrated.
The Jamaicans and West Indians? Indians courtesy of the British Empire rules, Pakistanis as a result of their persecution (ongoing) by the Indians, well ensconsed into society.
All eastern Europeans around here who filled vacant positions in transport, were put on the same pay structure as existing drivers. Companies petrified of legal claims at a later date. There are also a lot of unscrupulous business owners who use them for 3 months and then bin them (Brits included). Shunter job going in Southampton Docks at the moment…no takers…would it be wrong for an EU licenced driver to take the job to feed his family, wherever they might be. Maybe if the Operator doubled the pay he might draw a Brit from another job…but who fills his spot?
The under 50’s voting IN, good point, they’ve experienced freedom of movement and won’t want to give it up lightly.

The problem with the EU and EU economic migrants is the UK can’t control its borders as a free movement is a condition of being in this corrupt club
Non EU migrants are on a quota system again which is a dictate from the EU
So on one hand the EU tells us who we can let in but on other hand it tells us who we can’t !!!
So what about the 600,000 plus youngsters who can’t get a job due to EU economic migrants
Go to Shirebrook and see the 4000 EE that have took over the former pit town