Eu referendum whats your vote

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gazzer:
People are worried about the 2,000,000 European immigrants that are here, most of them working hard. Polish being the majority. Do we Brits not owe the Polish a thank you for when they last emigrated to the UK? When they volunteered to fly our planes in WW2 when there were precious few teenagers of our own that could take to the skies

You conveniently seem to forget that we actually went to war with Germany to protect Poland in a battle they lost because,unlike us,they didn’t have the engineering know how to stand the slightest chance of taking on the Germans in a 20th century war.The definition of ‘protect’ in this case not meaning that fighting Hiltler gave everyone who fought against the zb the right to live here nor their descendents.

2000,000 + immigrants working hard here yes.Against a background of our own being either forced onto the dole having been made to wait longer to claim it by raising the school leaving age.Or put into bs ‘further education’ which effectively means funding their own unemployment.Or joining the forces not by choice but because that’s the only option available.Or if they are lucky finding a job which won’t pay their living costs and in which they need in work benefit top ups.All that,because of a corrupted idea of ‘Capitalism’,that views the object as minimising wage levels for short term profit.As opposed to maximising spending power to create economic growth in a country that’s for our benefit not everyone else’s.

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Dave the Renegade:
Most of the Asylum seekers appear to be well dressed and well nourished, also with I phones etc. I just find that very strange.

Absolutely fit young blokes supposedly fleeing war and persecution.But in which the first safe country they arrive in just isn’t good enough it has to be here or Germany.While their own safe Arab states like Saudi and Kuwait etc won’t take them.Leaving their families behind in a supposed place that’s too dangerous for themselves to stay.Many having admitted that they aren’t even from any so called war zone.Or if they are they are military draft deserters.

No thanks send them all home and send all the bleeding heart socialist zbwits with em.

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gazzer:
Not seen Corbyn but then I haven’t seen or heard of Farage either!

You’re not likely to in or on the MSM, if you want to know whats going on in the real world you have to stop reading and watching mainstream news, especially the BBC state broadcaster which is making Pravda look independent.

If you want to know what Farage has been up to, i doubt you’ll want to watch this event but you definately won’t see this in full on the Beeb…cross party Grassroots Out Campaign…youtube.com/watch?v=kXrgKSgmU-o

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Juddian:

gazzer:
the BBC state broadcaster which is making Pravda look independent.

I turned off the ‘discussion’ programme tonight when no surprise they’d brought in a big German UK employer with an operation here making the obvious inference of ve vil go home if you do not vote ze vay ve expect you to vote.To which if only I could have been there to say before you say a word if we wanted ze Germans to rule us we would have invited you in to do it 1940 and if we leave the EU we can obviously then impose trade rules along the lines if it’s sold here then it has to be made here.At least until the Germans buy as much manufacturing products from us as we buy from them.

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We are and never will again be the world power that we once was,we need Europe as much as it needs us,we are now benefiting a great deal from being in.Even if we vote out do you think we can leave,i doubt it,look at Ireland they voted out twice and are still in as did Denmark,We are better playing at the game within and bend the rules as the others do.The money people don’t want us out and neither does the U.S.A. so its a foregone conclusion,we will stay IN. :unamused: :wink:

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shirtbox2003:
We are and never will again be the world power that we once was,we need Europe as much as it needs us,we are now benefiting a great deal from being in.Even if we vote out do you think we can leave,i doubt it,look at Ireland they voted out twice and are still in as did Denmark,We are better playing at the game within and bend the rules as the others do.The money people don’t want us out and neither does the U.S.A. so its a foregone conclusion,we will stay IN. :unamused: :wink:

Feel free to explain ‘why’ ‘we need Europe’ bearing in mind our trade deficit with the place and net contributions for what.As for the US as I said a Federalist agenda.That sees secession anywhere within its foreign sphere of influence as a threat at home.

It really is time for the out campaign to take the gloves off against such treasonous bs.IE people have fought and died to maintain the country’s sovereignty and right of self determination and no one has the right to give that away because someone sees a few bob in the deal or because it upsets the agenda of US federalism.On that note the out campaign boycotting the referendum on grounds that EU membership is and always was an illegal act seems the only real answer.

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CF, whilst i don’t agree with you about boycotting the referendum (if for no other reason than to see how far they’ll go sway/fix/fiddle the result), i do agree with the others who think those in charge, the banks and big business both here and abroad, are going to have their way and we’ll be doing an Irish Jig and voting repeatedly after however many fake renegotiations, till the proletariat do as they as supposed to.

And thats supposing the OUT vote could win it anyway, which i have the gravest doubts over, we have generations of people now with no sense of history, nor guts that previous generations who fought them had, nor patriotism, nor faith in themselves nor other genuine British people.

I tend to think the fourth reich is going to win the wars they previously couldn’t by force, with money and favours and propaganda.
I hope those agree with the coming subjugation live long enough to explain to their grandchildren (assuming real British history hasn’t been rewritten out) why they surrendered when their parents and grandparents stood four square against the Germans, many of whom paying the ultimate price.

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Carryfast:

gazzer:
People are worried about the 2,000,000 European immigrants that are here, most of them working hard. Polish being the majority. Do we Brits not owe the Polish a thank you for when they last emigrated to the UK? When they volunteered to fly our planes in WW2 when there were precious few teenagers of our own that could take to the skies

You conveniently seem to forget that we actually went to war with Germany to protect Poland in a battle they lost because,unlike us,they didn’t have the engineering know how to stand the slightest chance of taking on the Germans in a 20th century war.The definition of ‘protect’ in this case not meaning that fighting Hiltler gave everyone who fought against the zb the right to live here nor their descendents.
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You conveniently seem to forget, that we actually would have suffered the same blitzkrieg had it not been for the English channel, because, though Churchill through the his wilderness years in the 1930’s had been warning constantly of Hitlers expansionism, he was totally ignored by the elite classes of Britain, who viewed Hitler, as a rather useful Bulwark between Britain and the Bolsheviks. We were in no way prepared for any kind of war in 1939, and certainly not against Germany. No doubt the Poles had been more fearful of what was going on, to their east, and like so many other naïve politicians of the period, believed the Hitler rhetoric about uniting the german speaking peoples.

Carryfast:
[2000,000 + immigrants working hard here yes.Against a background of our own being either forced onto the dole having been made to wait longer to claim it by raising the school leaving age.Or put into bs ‘further education’ which effectively means funding their own unemployment.Or joining the forces not by choice but because that’s the only option available.Or if they are lucky finding a job which won’t pay their living costs and in which they need in work benefit top ups.All that,because of a corrupted idea of ‘Capitalism’,that views the object as minimising wage levels for short term profit.As opposed to maximising spending power to create economic growth in a country that’s for our benefit not everyone else’s.

Sorry, but to many British people, were screwing the system, and taking a life on benefits, rather than a life of work, even if that work required a top through tax credits or housing benefits. long before 2004, when the Eastern European joined the EU, many many people were choosing not too work, and knew how to milk the system. The Poles and other’s simply filled a gap created by our own work shy.

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gazzer:
People are worried about the 2,000,000 European immigrants that are here, most of them working hard. Polish being the majority. Do we Brits not owe the Polish a thank you for when they last emigrated to the UK? When they volunteered to fly our planes in WW2 when there were precious few teenagers of our own that could take to the skies in our defence to keep the Germans off our soil? As someone mentioned, the money from child benefit that flows abroad is miniscule.

So then, we’re out…where you going to accommodate the 2,000,000 +++ ExPats whom overnight would not have the right to reside in any European country. They could all come back. Most are retired, so at a stroke could put a strain on the NHS, the DSS, Local Councils for housing/day hotel rooms just as EU immigrants can. Not all exPats own chateaus or 6 bedroom villas on the costa. Their properties would then become worthless as any EU buyer would screw them into the ground as they would have to sell quick and get out. Who would be the burden on the state then? Oh and don’t forget, they all paid their taxes, usually for 44 years to qualify for their pensions, not the 30 years or so required now. Therefore every exPat is entitled to reside and all the benefits they have contributed to by right. Benefits the cannot receive outside of the UK! Willi Hague knicked the last one, winter fuel allowance last year.

Ummm…you show your passport when you enter and leave the Schengen area alongwith Advanced Passenger Information when you travel to certain EU countries. Good job too.

Our border are secure as secure as they can be without becoming a prison. For us and them. If the French ask us to remove Border Force from French territory (including the Eurostar terminal in Paris not to mention Brussels (B) etc) our defences against unwanted aliens would now be on OUR shores. “Send them back” you cry. That’s OK if the country you are sending them will accept them. No? Then Human Rights will raise it’s courtroom head and cost us MILLIONS per case. The UK Govt cant track all of them that are here now, what would happen when they jump the fences in Kent or Sussex or Dorset? Remember the case of the Asylum Seekers that were ejected as bogus and booted out? Then they got back in again but nobody knew it! Why? Because it was too labour intensive to register every rejected Asylum Seeker. If you or I pinch a Mars bar from Tescos and they prosecute, fingerprints and a sentence FOREVER. All for a 75p bar of chocolate. The millions spent ejecting these failed Asylum Seekers doesn’t warrant a fingerprint and a line on a data base somewhere at Border Force?Thats OUR failure not theirs. Better off they are in France, risking life and limb on trucks trains and 750V live cables.

We can get back our French owned Utilities? How many people run the Dartford and Severn crossings? 100 at most. Brits carry out the maintenence no matter who owns it. Water Companies? None to many employees there of foreign origin. Pull out foreign car manufacture, thousands of jobs lost not only in the factories but the surrounding economies (don’t wait for Phoenix Leyland to come back). Look what happened around the steel and coal producers neighbourhoods, desolation and more people on the dole, sorry JSA!

I cannot understand how all you ex European drivers, prior to the EU could consider reverting to the T.Forms, carnets, insurances, guarantees, lost time in customs everywhere. Every time you crossed a road border, paperwork, vehicle inspections, fuel surcharge, fines, “cafe messieur” and all that it used to entail? What makes you think it won’t have to happen again? Norway and Swiss are part of EEAA or summat like that so they are exempt from this. If you want OUT OUT then it will be the old days. Don’t look back with rose tinted specs Mary Hopkin (Buzzer) it will just cost you. Trip money to nip down to Milan…no chance, you pay me if I sit in Customs all day and your customer ain’t paying the import duty, because you are keeping me away from my home and my family.

I’m inclined to align myself with Franglais. Many people in the UK have never been outside of our borders so don’t realise what the EU really means. They will vote in ignorance guided by media hype.

For those that don’t know: I work and pay my taxes in the UK but live in the sun but I get sweet F.A. from any Govt’ Agency for doing so even if I was entitled to some ■■■ bit or other if I lived in the UK.
On my HMRC form it asked why I was leaving…I put " I am fed up with working hard 6 days a week to feed the “I don’t wanna work” brigade. Not foreigners, the Blairite Socialists that thought it was their god given right to occasionally frequent the dole office because they used to work now and again.

People, do not use the knee jerk vote, think carefully and look through the hype. Do all that you can to encourage others to do the same and how it may affect their lives. No one wins when the turnout is only 35% of population and they decide the In or Out. Where were the other 65%?

Well said :smiley: :smiley:

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Carryfast:

Juddian:

gazzer:
the BBC state broadcaster which is making Pravda look independent.

I turned off the ‘discussion’ programme tonight when no surprise they’d brought in a big German UK employer with an operation here making the obvious inference of ve vil go home if you do not vote ze vay ve expect you to vote.To which if only I could have been there to say before you say a word if we wanted ze Germans to rule us we would have invited you in to do it 1940 and if we leave the EU we can obviously then impose trade rules along the lines if it’s sold here then it has to be made here.At least until the Germans buy as much manufacturing products from us as we buy from them.

I don’t expect anything else from a euro sceptic, if it don’t agree with you, then its wrong.

Maybe, the germans will move their car plants to Europe, you cant say they wont.
You can say that they need to sell to us, but we only have 30 million cars in this country, yes a nice convenient market, but not the same size as the rest of Europe, and as much as they want to sell us cars, or anything else, it takes 2 to make a market, we want to but them too.
Don’t be naïve, even if WTO rules, for that is what we will then trade under, are supposed to limit excessive trade tariffs, the hidden costs of border bureaucracy will be passed to the end consumer, whether that’s us buying a BMW, or the French house wife buying British Beef, cost will rise.

Make no mistake, the EU (that being the politicians) want us to stay, the concessions given to the UK are big to them. If we then vote to leave, it will be an acrimonious divorce, DVD’s will be cut in half, the Dog will just get away from suffering the same fate, this being so, don’t think that they will make trade deals easy, and why do I believe this, because if we leave, and negotiate favourable trade deals, what to stop other Nations wanting the same. That would be the end for the EU, that’s not going to happen.

If We had never gone in, then no doubt we could of been trading with the EU, on very favourable terms. We would have had better terms than Norway, probably. We will not get these terms after leaving.

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Thank God for the internet , I had to look up what Brexit is !.

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WELL Buzzer, I liked your last post.
This is not a personal ,but the BRITs who live abroad ,who are “migrants” in some other country, should have no say what so ever, you jumped ship, stay where you are, and keep stum . spending your pension money [yes you may have earned it]but it was meant for this country’s benefit, to go round like all our UK cash, keep it here ,what is my point ,none, I just wanted to say it…

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I shall be voting out. Whilst channel hopping daily to Belgium now ( the longer the run the worse the rate)
I feel I’ve become an ethnic minority as over the years the uk international hauliers have been obliterated
To near extinction. I hope the vote is won in favour of the out campaign but fear it will be like the Irish referendum where we’ll keep voting until they finally get the yes vote.

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The vote will be driven by young intelligent people who see themselves as European and enjoy the freedom to travel and work, so we will be staying in

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John McVey:
The vote will be driven by young intelligent people who see themselves as European and enjoy the freedom to travel and work, so we will be staying in

Does that include the 600’000 plus 16 to 21 year olds who can’t find zero hour contracts jobs part time work not to mention any other kind of paid work ■■?

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eddie snax:

Carryfast:

gazzer:
People are worried about the 2,000,000 European immigrants that are here, most of them working hard. Polish being the majority. Do we Brits not owe the Polish a thank you for when they last emigrated to the UK? When they volunteered to fly our planes in WW2 when there were precious few teenagers of our own that could take to the skies

You conveniently seem to forget that we actually went to war with Germany to protect Poland in a battle they lost because,unlike us,they didn’t have the engineering know how to stand the slightest chance of taking on the Germans in a 20th century war.The definition of ‘protect’ in this case not meaning that fighting Hiltler gave everyone who fought against the zb the right to live here nor their descendents.
.

You conveniently seem to forget, that we actually would have suffered the same blitzkrieg had it not been for the English channel, because, though Churchill through the his wilderness years in the 1930’s had been warning constantly of Hitlers expansionism, he was totally ignored by the elite classes of Britain, who viewed Hitler, as a rather useful Bulwark between Britain and the Bolsheviks. We were in no way prepared for any kind of war in 1939, and certainly not against Germany. No doubt the Poles had been more fearful of what was going on, to their east, and like so many other naïve politicians of the period, believed the Hitler rhetoric about uniting the german speaking peoples.

Carryfast:
[2000,000 + immigrants working hard here yes.Against a background of our own being either forced onto the dole having been made to wait longer to claim it by raising the school leaving age.Or put into bs ‘further education’ which effectively means funding their own unemployment.Or joining the forces not by choice but because that’s the only option available.Or if they are lucky finding a job which won’t pay their living costs and in which they need in work benefit top ups.All that,because of a corrupted idea of ‘Capitalism’,that views the object as minimising wage levels for short term profit.As opposed to maximising spending power to create economic growth in a country that’s for our benefit not everyone else’s.

Sorry, but to many British people, were screwing the system, and taking a life on benefits, rather than a life of work, even if that work required a top through tax credits or housing benefits. long before 2004, when the Eastern European joined the EU, many many people were choosing not too work, and knew how to milk the system. The Poles and other’s simply filled a gap created by our own work shy.

More typically traitorous in campaign bs.Your version of history obviously writes out inconvenient facts like WW2 being the inevitable continuation of WW1 which itself was an idiotic result of Churchill joining French aggression against Germany.Instead of staying neutral thereby isolating France and removing any possibility of it taking on Germany and keeping it the small localised dispute between Austria/Germany v Serbia/Russia it was.Which with Germany fighting on one front would have been over by 1915 if that and therefore a much richer Britain an no WW2.Bearing in mind that our lack of preparedness for WW2 was actually all about the lack of cash lost on fighting WW1.The difference between us and Poland not being the Channel but the fact that Brit workers had the ability and know how to make the Spitfire that won it.

On that note maybe Juddian is right the country isn’t worth bothering about and ze Germans would have won by stealth which would be karma for WW1.Or maybe not bearing in mind that Germany and by implication the EU is now ruled by an ex stasi East German commy of Polish decent among others,in which Eastern Europe is calling the shots.Good luck with all that and great you’ve now got what you wished for in that it’s the slavs that actually won out and took us all for mugs or at least those without the brains to see what’s happening. :open_mouth: :unamused:

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eddie snax:
I don’t expect anything else from a euro sceptic, if it don’t agree with you, then its wrong.

Maybe, the germans will move their car plants to Europe, you cant say they wont.
You can say that they need to sell to us, but we only have 30 million cars in this country, yes a nice convenient market, but not the same size as the rest of Europe, and as much as they want to sell us cars, or anything else, it takes 2 to make a market, we want to but them too.
Don’t be naïve, even if WTO rules, for that is what we will then trade under, are supposed to limit excessive trade tariffs, the hidden costs of border bureaucracy will be passed to the end consumer, whether that’s us buying a BMW, or the French house wife buying British Beef, cost will rise.

Make no mistake, the EU (that being the politicians) want us to stay, the concessions given to the UK are big to them. If we then vote to leave, it will be an acrimonious divorce, DVD’s will be cut in half, the Dog will just get away from suffering the same fate, this being so, don’t think that they will make trade deals easy, and why do I believe this, because if we leave, and negotiate favourable trade deals, what to stop other Nations wanting the same. That would be the end for the EU, that’s not going to happen.

If We had never gone in, then no doubt we could of been trading with the EU, on very favourable terms. We would have had better terms than Norway, probably. We will not get these terms after leaving.

How can we possibly get worse ‘terms’ by leaving than the massive trade deficit and net contributions we’ve got by staying.

As for the issue of sovereignty and self determination history suggests that always eventually ends up in a shooting war.In which case the sides are already clearly laid out and as usual it isn’t a matter which can ever be settled peacefully or democratically.While it’s clear which which side has right on its side v the traitorous Federalist zb’s who want to hand the country over to foreign rule which can only possibly be ‘wrong’.On that note that’s what the in campaign is condemning future generations of Brits to.

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John McVey:
The vote will be driven by young intelligent people who see themselves as European and enjoy the freedom to travel and work, so we will be staying in

Spare us the Socialist dream. :unamused:

Yes we know like the millions arriving from Asia who think exactly the same.The question is who actually rules this great federal zb up utopia that you and those like you are trying to create.

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Juddian:
CF, whilst i don’t agree with you about boycotting the referendum (if for no other reason than to see how far they’ll go sway/fix/fiddle the result), i do agree with the others who think those in charge, the banks and big business both here and abroad, are going to have their way and we’ll be doing an Irish Jig and voting repeatedly after however many fake renegotiations, till the proletariat do as they as supposed to.

And thats supposing the OUT vote could win it anyway, which i have the gravest doubts over, we have generations of people now with no sense of history, nor guts that previous generations who fought them had, nor patriotism, nor faith in themselves nor other genuine British people.

I tend to think the fourth reich is going to win the wars they previously couldn’t by force, with money and favours and propaganda.
I hope those agree with the coming subjugation live long enough to explain to their grandchildren (assuming real British history hasn’t been rewritten out) why they surrendered when their parents and grandparents stood four square against the Germans, many of whom paying the ultimate price.

I think Cameron’s statement that this will be the ‘last’ ever chance to leave makes it clear that the vote is actually about sealing us in and removing any right of secession for future generations. :open_mouth: On that note on the contrary.It’s essential to remove the credibility of that inevitably rigged federalist scam by boycotting the vote.The fact is this is very serious stuff of which secessionist war nightmares are made from but make no mistake that’s probably where it will inevitably end up sooner or later and those future generations on the secessionist side will need to know that they’ve got right on their side in the form of that historic boycotted vote that started their movement from that point. :bulb: :frowning:

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Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:

gazzer:
People are worried about the 2,000,000 European immigrants that are here, most of them working hard. Polish being the majority. Do we Brits not owe the Polish a thank you for when they last emigrated to the UK? When they volunteered to fly our planes in WW2 when there were precious few teenagers of our own that could take to the skies

You conveniently seem to forget that we actually went to war with Germany to protect Poland in a battle they lost because,unlike us,they didn’t have the engineering know how to stand the slightest chance of taking on the Germans in a 20th century war.The definition of ‘protect’ in this case not meaning that fighting Hiltler gave everyone who fought against the zb the right to live here nor their descendents.
.

You conveniently seem to forget, that we actually would have suffered the same blitzkrieg had it not been for the English channel, because, though Churchill through the his wilderness years in the 1930’s had been warning constantly of Hitlers expansionism, he was totally ignored by the elite classes of Britain, who viewed Hitler, as a rather useful Bulwark between Britain and the Bolsheviks. We were in no way prepared for any kind of war in 1939, and certainly not against Germany. No doubt the Poles had been more fearful of what was going on, to their east, and like so many other naïve politicians of the period, believed the Hitler rhetoric about uniting the german speaking peoples.

Carryfast:
[2000,000 + immigrants working hard here yes.Against a background of our own being either forced onto the dole having been made to wait longer to claim it by raising the school leaving age.Or put into bs ‘further education’ which effectively means funding their own unemployment.Or joining the forces not by choice but because that’s the only option available.Or if they are lucky finding a job which won’t pay their living costs and in which they need in work benefit top ups.All that,because of a corrupted idea of ‘Capitalism’,that views the object as minimising wage levels for short term profit.As opposed to maximising spending power to create economic growth in a country that’s for our benefit not everyone else’s.

Sorry, but to many British people, were screwing the system, and taking a life on benefits, rather than a life of work, even if that work required a top through tax credits or housing benefits. long before 2004, when the Eastern European joined the EU, many many people were choosing not too work, and knew how to milk the system. The Poles and other’s simply filled a gap created by our own work shy.

More typically traitorous in campaign bs.Your version of history obviously writes out inconvenient facts like WW2 being the inevitable continuation of WW1 which itself was an idiotic result of Churchill joining French aggression against Germany.Instead of staying neutral thereby isolating France and removing any possibility of it taking on Germany and keeping it the small localised dispute between Austria/Germany v Serbia/Russia it was.Which with Germany fighting on one front would have been over by 1915 if that and therefore a much richer Britain an no WW2.Bearing in mind that our lack of preparedness for WW2 was actually all about the lack of cash lost on fighting WW1.The difference between us and Poland not being the Channel but the fact that Brit workers had the ability and know how to make the Spitfire that won it.

On that note maybe Juddian is right the country isn’t worth bothering about and ze Germans would have won by stealth which would be karma for WW1.Or maybe not bearing in mind that Germany and by implication the EU is now ruled by an ex stasi East German commy of Polish decent among others,in which Eastern Europe is calling the shots.Good luck with all that and great you’ve now got what you wished for in that it’s the slavs that actually won out and took us all for mugs or at least those without the brains to see what’s happening. :open_mouth: :unamused:

The Battle of the Britain, would not have taken place in 1940, if the Panzers had already rolled over a land border, which thankfully for us and the eventualy the rest of Europe didn’t exist. If it had, it would not have mattered a jot, how many Spitfires were at the ready.

If Churchill had been listened to during the 1930’s, then britain would not have formed the 1935 naval agreement with Germany, breaking the Treaty of Versaille’s, thus allowing Hitler to create a more modern tonnage of vessel than the Royal Navy had at the time. Britain might have got onto a war footing, after the militarisation of the Rhineland in 1936. These and other actions by Hitler, were the precursor to WW2, and at anytime, our politicians could of acted more decisively to stifle Hitler. Maybe, had we been gearing up for war earlier, maybe in 1936, the British forces massed in northern France by 1940, would have been better equipped to take on the German army, and the Dunkirk evacuation would never of needed to happen, France might not have fallen, and the whole coarse of the war would have been shorter and less horrific.
As I said before, the elite of this country were more worried about the Communists in Russia, and Spain for that matter.

Carryfast:
at least those without the brains to see what’s happening. :open_mouth: :unamused:

I really don’t think you need to lower yourself to cheap jibes at those that don’t agree with your view of the world, I thought you were bigger and better than that. :open_mouth: