Eu referendum whats your vote

[franglais]

ramone:

Spardo:

ramone:
I’m sick of hearing all the scaremongering from MPs who instead of doing what’s best for the general public are doing whats best for them .It was a democratic vote with a majority wanting to leave but MPs who love to get one over on the opppsition are this time trying to get one over on the majority voters. Why dont MPs have to be qualified why dont they have to spend £1000s on training and retraining like we have to do .We should bring back manufacturing tothis country and become more dependant on ourselves and we should definitely stop immigration now. How can Labour complain about the NHS but still want to allow immigration to continue .Its farcical

Because it is only immigration that keeps the NHS going now. It is struggling to cope as it is, so how will it fare if you stop all immigration? Add to that the possibility of forcibly returning aged and possibly sick citizens who will only add to the burden.

They may not have a vote, they may not immediately become entitled to medical care (though I know of one case where the elderly woman returned to England and recieved immediate health care and also a warden controlled flat), but as citizens they will be entitled to everything very quickly.

Im not the sharpest tool in the box , you will know that if youve read any or most of my posts but i cannot get my head around this one. I may be missing something here but if you have mass immigration (which we have had) and these migrants have paid zilch into our system how can this be the only thing that is keeping it going? Drinking ,smoking eating fatty foods and lots of other things have been blamed for putting a strain on the NHS . Over use is whats killing it by people who have paid nothing in. If everyone stopped drinking and smoking this country would be virtually bankrupt with the loss of tax alone not to mention the jobs that would go. Its not under funding by either party it`s over use by freeloaders who have contributed nothing. Anyone who wants to come to this country should have to take out medical inurance until they have paid in to the system for at least 10 years ,the same should go for social security .The EU insist on free movement between member states … out sooner the better

There’s an awful lot to unpick here.
Who says immigrants don’t pay into the system, but only take out?
There are some facts out there as well as the rumours, “newspapers” and politicians rhetoric.
The immigrants: half the time they’re
“fit young men, who should be in there own country, not taking our jobs”. Other half the time they’re sick old people draining the NHS. Can’t have it both ways. Remember if they are working they are paying tax etc.

Against immigration?
Boris is for Brexit but for immigrants.
Michael Gove speaking to farmers in Feb this year, IIRC, said that post Brexit in order to get field labour farmers would need to look further away. No Polish? Get Indians and Chinese!
Is that the Brexit you thought you were voting for?
That’s the real agenda. More power for a small group at the top.
Rees -Moog challenged on lack of good from the EU said, we’ll get it from other countries. And it’ll be cheaper too. It may be cheaper, so what will happen to agriculture in the UK? Even less money for produce and less money for farmers and their workers. No money so no incentive to produce food. We won’t be dependent on the Europeans for food, we’ll be beholden to who?
Not enough for you?
Look at the staff in hospitals. Lots of poorly paid jobs with unsocisl hours. And the staff need to pay to park at their workplace! Who takes these badly paid jobs? Often, it’s new immigrants. They may have less language skills and no work history. Our underfunded NHS is kept going partly because we rely on underpaid staff.
There is more to it than just that, but all this is part of it.

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[buzzer]

Farming in EU countries is heavily subsidised and without payments it would suffer but IMHO it is wrong to pay all this money to the farming industry, if you cant cut the mustard in any other business standing on your own two feet you go bust as in the haulage sector. When you look at it the super markets pretty much control what happens in the food sectors, meat, fish, fruit and veg and the like. Take for instance bread and milk they are just lost leaders as everyone uses them poor or rich every day, the big five super markets screw the hell out of producers just to get folk through the doors, it is common nowadays for farmers who have had a gut full either to jack it in or diversify, dairy farms are getting bigger with 6 or 7 hundred cows not uncommon now just to try and compete, others have tried making ice cream or cheese so as not to have to sell there milk to big coop’s and thus maybe making a little more just to survive. Farming is in a state for sure even with the subsidies being handed out and its not until things are not readily available to the punters that we will have to realize that if you want fresh home grown goods you must pay a little more for it.
Paying this money out is no good , a lot of farming land is now owned by big business consortiums who have nothing to do with agriculture other than they own the land and draw all the fat cat subsidies and would not know a tractor if it ran them over, they just collect the money and contract the farming bit out. They don’t care about production costs just the funds they collect, James Dyson owns IIRC 30,000 acres in Britain and even with the subsidies he says he can only just break even, something needs to change for sure but I cant see an easy solution other than we pay a little more for our food, Buzzer.

[franglais]

Buzzer:
Farming in EU countries is heavily subsidised and without payments it would suffer but IMHO it is wrong to pay all this money to the farming industry, if you cant cut the mustard in any other business standing on your own two feet you go bust as in the haulage sector. When you look at it the super markets pretty much control what happens in the food sectors, meat, fish, fruit and veg and the like. Take for instance bread and milk they are just lost leaders as everyone uses them poor or rich every day, the big five super markets screw the hell out of producers just to get folk through the doors, it is common nowadays for farmers who have had a gut full either to jack it in or diversify, dairy farms are getting bigger with 6 or 7 hundred cows not uncommon now just to try and compete, others have tried making ice cream or cheese so as not to have to sell there milk to big coop’s and thus maybe making a little more just to survive. Farming is in a state for sure even with the subsidies being handed out and its not until things are not readily available to the punters that we will have to realize that if you want fresh home grown goods you must pay a little more for it.
Paying this money out is no good , a lot of farming land is now owned by big business consortiums who have nothing to do with agriculture other than they own the land and draw all the fat cat subsidies and would not know a tractor if it ran them over, they just collect the money and contract the farming bit out. They don’t care about production costs just the funds they collect, James Dyson owns IIRC 30,000 acres in Britain and even with the subsidies he says he can only just break even, something needs to change for sure but I cant see an easy solution other than we pay a little more for our food, Buzzer.

You say we need to pay a little more for our food, and I think you’re probably right.
But isn’t one of the claims of Brexit that we will not be involved in the CAP and will get cheaper food in the world market?
Cheaper food would flood the supermarkets and hit the UK farmers hard wouldn’t it?
Put up tariffs? Well that’s the way for others to put up barriers against our exports and we’d be in a mess. A trade war isn’t good for anyone.
And what of standards? Aren’t our UK and EU standards high? Better than in many other places?

You’re absolutely right that farming is in a mess, but I question that Brexit will help sort it out.

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[carryfast]

cav551:

Spardo:
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I agree wholheartedly with your first paragraph, and have put forward much the same earlier in this thread, and, as you say, it is only speculation that… Hitler, would have attacked Britain eventually, but even if they did, Britain would have been more prepared, certainly in the 2nd WW and Dunkirk would not have happened. But, as we both say, speculation. .

I think you actually meant to put something different unless this was presumptive on Kaiser Bill having attacked Britain in 1914. Dunkirk was before the Battle of Britain so had already happened by the time Hitler’s invasion fleet was being assembled. Having rid Continental Europe of the British Army, Hitler then it seems thought that he might be able to strike a peace deal with Britain, but on August 25th Bomber Command had put paid to that idea with its raid on Berlin, so by the time of his September 4th Auf Rasieren British cities speech his intentions are clear. It is the impracticalities put forward by his Navy and Army leaders and ultimately the losses to his Luftflotte on September 15th which seem to have brought about the realisation two days later that a planned, now autumn invasion, would most likely go wrong.

The following is argued from a slightly different standpoint, but still makes clear what influenced the decision for delay.

theguardian.com/world/2015/ … sh-heroism

If Rommel was the maverik he was meant to be and if I’d have been him my advice to ze Fuhrer would have been we don’t need air supremacy or even superiority.Ze Englanders have no viable ground attack aircraft and the 303 bullets of Spits and Hurricanes are no threat even to the roof armour of PIII or IV’s or 38t’s or ships and barge decks and hulls.While our cannon equipped fighters won’t be at such a disadvantage in range over the Channel and can be used for effective ground attack in return.Our submarines and E Boats will keep the navy at bay in the channel and we can more than afford the potential losses caused by whatever Brit air,naval and shore defences can put up.While Stukas also make awesome ship busters given decent fighter ■■■■■■.While if we fail we’ve lost nothing bearing in mind the relatively small amount of land forces required to defeat the badly equipped and battle worn Brits on landing.

How do I know that.I’ve got a tenuous connection with this story and everything I’ve ever been told by those I knew who knew him,including my Father,was that they all couldn’t believe that the Wehrmacht,Luftwaffe,and Kriegsmarine,didn’t just chase them across the Channel with a hastily put together limited invasion force and it would have been game over.

adls.org.uk/t1/content/tigris-i

IE not ineptitude but incompetence of the German leadership in the form of excessive caution and massive over estimation of our ability to withstand a combination of Blitzkrieg and seaborne invasion in the early Summer of 1940.Or possibly even later if he’d had the sense to leave Russia well alone.

On that note yes I can see the sense in not sending the BEF to France in 1940 and just letting the inevitable happen while keeping our powder dry and building our forces up even more.Ironically Chamberlain being damned for doing exactly that.Until he allowed events to force his hand with a lot of help from Churchill,with Dunkirk being the all too foreseeable result.But which luckily is ironically what at least happened in the case of Dowding keeping Spitfires well out of the Battle of France and the inevitable massacre of the RAF there.However what is certain is that Hitler had no intention of making peace with Britain after the defeat of the BEF with the Battle of Britain starting well before August 28th and sending in the full might of the Luftwaffe in a badly thought out attempt to defeat the RAF in the air certainly not fitting the description of ‘peace’ talks.With Britain being well and truly in a fight for its existence from the point of Dunkirk on.IE don’t confuse the Germans’ over caution and tactical errors with half heartedness in their intentions towards our defeat.Notwithstanding the Hess conspiracy.

Don’t ask how any of that is relevant to Brexit though.Other than the fact that our EU membership was all part of the same post war stitch up which for ‘some’ reason decided to give Germany the upper hand in Europe.

[carryfast]

Spardo:
Dunkirk wouldn’t have happened if we hadn’t declared war on Germany in '39 because the British Army would not have been there to be ejected and rescued… The speculation that we both referred to was whether or not Germany would have invaded in either war if we had not declared war first. He may not have intended to invade but his hand was forced in that direction by our declaration of war. But we will never know. That’s all.

Why do you apply the premise that we couldn’t still declare war on Germany ‘but not’ send the BEF to France as just a tactical decision to avoid the inevitable wild goose chase and rout there ?.As for us ‘not’ declaring war on Hitler exactly what do you think that the implications for Europe would have been in that case ?. I really think that you’re showing something that exists in the zb’d up mindset of remainers.IE a predisposition to Germany being top dog regardless of the wrongs of your cause.

[hrs]

Who would have stoped them !!!
Let me tell you, Dads Army, thats who, would have stoped them, dead in there tracks.
My father and his men stood guard over 5 pubs in the Romsey area near Southampton and let me tell you know-one would have got past them, especially in 1944 when every man in his unit had a bullet.
Just saying, Harvey

[carryfast]

HRS:
Who would have stoped them !!!
Let me tell you, Dads Army, thats who, would have stoped them, dead in there tracks.
My father and his men stood guard over 5 pubs in the Romsey area near Southampton and let me tell you know-one would have got past them, especially in 1944 when every man in his unit had a bullet.
Just saying, Harvey

To be fair Southampton probably wasn’t going to be the most likely landing place if they’d have decided to chase the shattered BEF across the Channel and shooting at them in that case just would have made them madder. Bearing in mind that they seem to have had no problem with shipping the Africa Korps over to North Africa 9 months after Dunkirk without too much trouble from the RAF and the Navy and the Army.

While might as well have said why bother Heath’s going to hand the country over to them anyway in around 30 years time.

[ramone]

Franglais:

ramone:

Spardo:

ramone:
I’m sick of hearing all the scaremongering from MPs who instead of doing what’s best for the general public are doing whats best for them .It was a democratic vote with a majority wanting to leave but MPs who love to get one over on the opppsition are this time trying to get one over on the majority voters. Why dont MPs have to be qualified why dont they have to spend £1000s on training and retraining like we have to do .We should bring back manufacturing tothis country and become more dependant on ourselves and we should definitely stop immigration now. How can Labour complain about the NHS but still want to allow immigration to continue .Its farcical

Because it is only immigration that keeps the NHS going now. It is struggling to cope as it is, so how will it fare if you stop all immigration? Add to that the possibility of forcibly returning aged and possibly sick citizens who will only add to the burden.

They may not have a vote, they may not immediately become entitled to medical care (though I know of one case where the elderly woman returned to England and recieved immediate health care and also a warden controlled flat), but as citizens they will be entitled to everything very quickly.

Im not the sharpest tool in the box , you will know that if youve read any or most of my posts but i cannot get my head around this one. I may be missing something here but if you have mass immigration (which we have had) and these migrants have paid zilch into our system how can this be the only thing that is keeping it going? Drinking ,smoking eating fatty foods and lots of other things have been blamed for putting a strain on the NHS . Over use is whats killing it by people who have paid nothing in. If everyone stopped drinking and smoking this country would be virtually bankrupt with the loss of tax alone not to mention the jobs that would go. Its not under funding by either party it`s over use by freeloaders who have contributed nothing. Anyone who wants to come to this country should have to take out medical inurance until they have paid in to the system for at least 10 years ,the same should go for social security .The EU insist on free movement between member states … out sooner the better

There’s an awful lot to unpick here.
Who says immigrants don’t pay into the system, but only take out?
There are some facts out there as well as the rumours, “newspapers” and politicians rhetoric.
The immigrants: half the time they’re
“fit young men, who should be in there own country, not taking our jobs”. Other half the time they’re sick old people draining the NHS. Can’t have it both ways. Remember if they are working they are paying tax etc.

Against immigration?
Boris is for Brexit but for immigrants.
Michael Gove speaking to farmers in Feb this year, IIRC, said that post Brexit in order to get field labour farmers would need to look further away. No Polish? Get Indians and Chinese!
Is that the Brexit you thought you were voting for?
That’s the real agenda. More power for a small group at the top.
Rees -Moog challenged on lack of good from the EU said, we’ll get it from other countries. And it’ll be cheaper too. It may be cheaper, so what will happen to agriculture in the UK? Even less money for produce and less money for farmers and their workers. No money so no incentive to produce food. We won’t be dependent on the Europeans for food, we’ll be beholden to who?
Not enough for you?
Look at the staff in hospitals. Lots of poorly paid jobs with unsocisl hours. And the staff need to pay to park at their workplace! Who takes these badly paid jobs? Often, it’s new immigrants. They may have less language skills and no work history. Our underfunded NHS is kept going partly because we rely on underpaid staff.
There is more to it than just that, but all this is part of it.

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Immigrants can use our NHS from day 1 how could they have possibly have paid in by then Go to Bradfords BRI and see what awaits you in the casualty area its full of east european young men and women with kids masses of them
All fit ■■?

[cav551]

Carryfast:

HRS:
Who would have stoped them !!!
Let me tell you, Dads Army, thats who, would have stoped them, dead in there tracks.
My father and his men stood guard over 5 pubs in the Romsey area near Southampton and let me tell you know-one would have got past them, especially in 1944 when every man in his unit had a bullet.
Just saying, Harvey

To be fair Southampton probably wasn’t going to be the most likely landing place if they’d have decided to chase the shattered BEF across the Channel and shooting at them in that case just would have made them madder. Bearing in mind that they seem to have had no problem with shipping the Africa Korps over to North Africa 9 months after Dunkirk without too much trouble from the RAF and the Navy and the Army.

While might as well have said why bother Heath’s going to hand the country over to them anyway in around 30 years time.

Just very briefly: the British were rather preoccupied at the time of the German North Africa Invasion with trying to defend Malta as well, while all the time still expecting a cross channel invasion. They had started off with only three Gloster Gladiator biplanes to meet the Italian airforce. It would be fair to say that the Army and RAF were virtually hamstruck by obsolete and worn out equipment, with almost no spares in the Mediteranean theatre to keep it operational.

[acd1202]

Spardo:

ramone:
I’m sick of hearing all the scaremongering from MPs who instead of doing what’s best for the general public are doing whats best for them .It was a democratic vote with a majority wanting to leave but MPs who love to get one over on the opppsition are this time trying to get one over on the majority voters. Why dont MPs have to be qualified why dont they have to spend £1000s on training and retraining like we have to do .We should bring back manufacturing tothis country and become more dependant on ourselves and we should definitely stop immigration now. How can Labour complain about the NHS but still want to allow immigration to continue .Its farcical

Because it is only immigration that keeps the NHS going now. It is struggling to cope as it is, so how will it fare if you stop all immigration? Add to that the possibility of forcibly returning aged and possibly sick citizens who will only add to the burden.

They may not have a vote, they may not immediately become entitled to medical care (though I know of one case where the elderly woman returned to England and recieved immediate health care and also a warden controlled flat), but as citizens they will be entitled to everything very quickly.

Before the NHS scaremongering gets totally out of control here are some facts, presented nice and simply with pictures.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk … y/CBP-7783

[franglais]

ramone:

Franglais:

ramone:

Spardo:

ramone:
I’m sick of hearing all the scaremongering from MPs who instead of doing what’s best for the general public are doing whats best for them .It was a democratic vote with a majority wanting to leave but MPs who love to get one over on the opppsition are this time trying to get one over on the majority voters. Why dont MPs have to be qualified why dont they have to spend £1000s on training and retraining like we have to do .We should bring back manufacturing tothis country and become more dependant on ourselves and we should definitely stop immigration now. How can Labour complain about the NHS but still want to allow immigration to continue .Its farcical

Because it is only immigration that keeps the NHS going now. It is struggling to cope as it is, so how will it fare if you stop all immigration? Add to that the possibility of forcibly returning aged and possibly sick citizens who will only add to the burden.

They may not have a vote, they may not immediately become entitled to medical care (though I know of one case where the elderly woman returned to England and recieved immediate health care and also a warden controlled flat), but as citizens they will be entitled to everything very quickly.

Im not the sharpest tool in the box , you will know that if youve read any or most of my posts but i cannot get my head around this one. I may be missing something here but if you have mass immigration (which we have had) and these migrants have paid zilch into our system how can this be the only thing that is keeping it going? Drinking ,smoking eating fatty foods and lots of other things have been blamed for putting a strain on the NHS . Over use is whats killing it by people who have paid nothing in. If everyone stopped drinking and smoking this country would be virtually bankrupt with the loss of tax alone not to mention the jobs that would go. Its not under funding by either party it`s over use by freeloaders who have contributed nothing. Anyone who wants to come to this country should have to take out medical inurance until they have paid in to the system for at least 10 years ,the same should go for social security .The EU insist on free movement between member states … out sooner the better

There’s an awful lot to unpick here.
Who says immigrants don’t pay into the system, but only take out?
There are some facts out there as well as the rumours, “newspapers” and politicians rhetoric.
The immigrants: half the time they’re
“fit young men, who should be in there own country, not taking our jobs”. Other half the time they’re sick old people draining the NHS. Can’t have it both ways. Remember if they are working they are paying tax etc.

Against immigration?
Boris is for Brexit but for immigrants.
Michael Gove speaking to farmers in Feb this year, IIRC, said that post Brexit in order to get field labour farmers would need to look further away. No Polish? Get Indians and Chinese!
Is that the Brexit you thought you were voting for?
That’s the real agenda. More power for a small group at the top.
Rees -Moog challenged on lack of good from the EU said, we’ll get it from other countries. And it’ll be cheaper too. It may be cheaper, so what will happen to agriculture in the UK? Even less money for produce and less money for farmers and their workers. No money so no incentive to produce food. We won’t be dependent on the Europeans for food, we’ll be beholden to who?
Not enough for you?
Look at the staff in hospitals. Lots of poorly paid jobs with unsocisl hours. And the staff need to pay to park at their workplace! Who takes these badly paid jobs? Often, it’s new immigrants. They may have less language skills and no work history. Our underfunded NHS is kept going partly because we rely on underpaid staff.
There is more to it than just that, but all this is part of it.

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Immigrants can use our NHS from day 1 how could they have possibly have paid in by then Go to Bradfords BRI and see what awaits you in the casualty area its full of east european young men and women with kids masses of them
All fit ■■?

Depends on what sort of immigrants we are talking of. But if they are from other EU countries they receive treatment free according to their needs. If they are using an EHIC card then costs to the NHS are recovered from the patient’s country. If they are new “ordinarily resident” then I think yes, treatment from the start?
If here only for treatment then full charges are recoverable from the patient. So that’s against “health tourism”.
How well does it work?
Dunno.
NHS site explains who is and isn’t eligible.
Look at the FullFact site for problems in looking for reliable figures.

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[carryfast]

Franglais:
Depends on what sort of immigrants we are talking of. But if they are from other EU countries they receive treatment free according to their needs. If they are using an EHIC card then costs to the NHS are recovered from the patient’s country. If they are new “ordinarily resident” then I think yes, treatment from the start?
If here only for treatment then full charges are recoverable from the patient. So that’s against “health tourism”.
How well does it work?
Dunno.
NHS site explains who is and isn’t eligible.

The EHIC card provides cover up to the level of that received by nationals of the country in question.Also the idea that the host country then claims it back from the claimant’s state of origin defeats the object of it.While of course putting the claimant at a massive advantage and the NHS at a disadvantage in this case v claimants from here going to other EU states with hybrid private insurance based systems.Which is why travellers from here to other EU states are always advised to take out private travel health insurance in just the same way as if they are travelling to the States and to never rely on the EHIC card.Unlike those coming here taking advantage of the NHS non insurance based local provision.On that note define ‘only here to get treatment’ as opposed to ill ‘tourist’ let alone ill new ‘resident’ arrival.

[carryfast]

cav551:
Just very briefly: the British were rather preoccupied at the time of the German North Africa Invasion with trying to defend Malta as well, while all the time still expecting a cross channel invasion. They had started off with only three Gloster Gladiator biplanes to meet the Italian airforce. It would be fair to say that the Army and RAF were virtually hamstruck by obsolete and worn out equipment, with almost no spares in the Mediteranean theatre to keep it operational.

To be fair the RAF was admittedly crippled in that theatre as you say.Although bearing in mind that even at best the Spitfires and Hurricanes of 1940 were never going to make good ship busters and ground attack aircraft.In view of which I’d guess that our chances of opposing them ‘if’ the Germans had decided to chase the BEF across the Channel wouldn’t have been much better.Probably less with the Channel being perfect E Boat operation territory and the strength of the Luftwaffe’s ship busting dive bomber and ground attack ability in the region.Which is what most who I’ve spoken to of the day thought was going to happen at the time especially those involved in the evacuation at Dunkirk.With inevitable results.IE the Germans’ ( fortunate for us ) incompetence,in the mishandling of the open goal that they had,for an ambitious Blitzkrieg invasion of Britain,immediately after the defeat of the BEF in France and during the evacuation from Dunkirk,shouldn’t be underestimated.

But really don’t see how Spardo’s idea of us obviously staying neutral at that point would have helped.As opposed to the tacticians just realising that the BEF was never going to stop the invasion of France and its inevitable defeat there could very well have made the difference between repelling any German invasion of Britain or not.The decision to with hold Spitfire’s from the Battle of France arguably being the make or break decision which actually ultimately then saved the country.Albeit at the expense of the RAF unfairly and stupidly being blamed for leaving the Dunkirk evacuation open to Luftwaffe attack as a result.

( Until 1973 )

[franglais]

acd1202:

Spardo:

ramone:
I’m sick of hearing all the scaremongering from MPs who instead of doing what’s best for the general public are doing whats best for them .It was a democratic vote with a majority wanting to leave but MPs who love to get one over on the opppsition are this time trying to get one over on the majority voters. Why dont MPs have to be qualified why dont they have to spend £1000s on training and retraining like we have to do .We should bring back manufacturing tothis country and become more dependant on ourselves and we should definitely stop immigration now. How can Labour complain about the NHS but still want to allow immigration to continue .Its farcical

Because it is only immigration that keeps the NHS going now. It is struggling to cope as it is, so how will it fare if you stop all immigration? Add to that the possibility of forcibly returning aged and possibly sick citizens who will only add to the burden.

They may not have a vote, they may not immediately become entitled to medical care (though I know of one case where the elderly woman returned to England and recieved immediate health care and also a warden controlled flat), but as citizens they will be entitled to everything very quickly.

Before the NHS scaremongering gets totally out of control here are some facts, presented nice and simply with pictures.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk … y/CBP-7783

Unfortunately the true picture may not be so simple.
Good link, but that’s only NHS directly employed staff isn’t it? And isn’t much of the cleaning and catering done by private contractors? This would be staff a reasonable person may think are part of the NHS but may not be in that report?
I’ve trouble putting links up (new phone and dinosaur paws) but aren’t there about half a million more contractors as well as direct employees?

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[buzzer]

Say no more, say no more Buzzer.

[5thwheel]

Buzzer:
Say no more, say no more Buzzer.

Very true Buzzer,nice one!

David

[franglais]

Buzzer:
Say no more, say no more Buzzer.

Nice to agree with you, mate.
Worth noting that is the only workplace in the UK exempt from smoking and alcohol bans, I think?

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[buzzer]

Another scandalous piece of treason towards the British fishing industry, just wave the white flag and give in, not the same when they come and ■■■■ our waters eh, Buzzer.

[cav551]

Much as it pains me to say it, I think in this instance the French are right. The 200 ton trawlers in the newsreel clips are British not French. It really is pot calling the kettle black with all the hoo ha in the past about large French trawlers ‘pinching’ all our fish. In the latter case I think the British fishermen are in the right, but it is stretching things a little far to expect wholehearted support in this current dispute.

[carryfast]

cav551:
Much as it pains me to say it, I think in this instance the French are right. The 200 ton trawlers in the newsreel clips are British not French. It really is pot calling the kettle black with all the hoo ha in the past about large French trawlers ‘pinching’ all our fish. In the latter case I think the British fishermen are in the right, but it is stretching things a little far to expect wholehearted support in this current dispute.

+1

I’m calling remainer false flag op.IE deliberately and all too publicly chucking away the moral high ground as part of May’s Machiavellian agenda within an agenda.With the mainstream media seeming to be conveniently all too keen to get the stunt into the news in a big way.