Franglais:
“Firstly even regarding fully paid up members of the EU of today I think the rule concerning origin is based on where it’s packed not where it originates from ?.”
There have I agree been problems with this, and it seems the EU is trying to stop it. And it seems to me to be easier for one authority to oversee this sort of thing rather than dozens of different national governments.
I agree that force feeding of geese or ducks is pretty bad.
I personally do eat horse meat and see nothing wrong in that. It is totally wrong however if horse is sold as beef. No defense at all for that.
The biggest problem with the 2013 horse meat scandal was that the horses were not raised or cleared for human consumption. They could have been sport horses treated with drugs such as Phenylbutazone which could be harmful to humans.
Selling of prime horse in place of beef? Since horse fetches a good price in France, and I believe Belgium too (?) why not sell it at a good price for what it is?
Any butcher who cant tell the difference (assuming its on the bone, not part of a mince mix) isn`t worthy of the name, surely?
“and trapping tiny wild song birds and cooking and eating them.”
A bit of an error here maybe? Not the French, but the Maltese, and it has been ruled illegal by the EU. theguardian.com/environment … y-eu-court
Maybe you want to stand up for the rights of the Maltese to stand against the EU courts? Give them the right to behave as they wish in their own country?
EDIT. Agree with you that Food Corruption has naff all to do with being in the EU. Food corruption is a crime wherever it happens.
Firstly National government worked just fine for us up to 1973 and no reason to think that would be any different after March 2019.While at least now you’ve confirmed exactly what I thought in that you’re ideologically a Federalist and your allegiance is first and foremost to a Federal EU/USE/EUSSR and not any specific state of that Union as part of that.Nothing to do with all the other bs claims that you’re making to keep us in it.So just be honest in saying that you want to live in a Federal Europe and that’s what you view as being ‘your country’ and its flag and you want us to be part of that stinking Federation regardless of all else.To the point of happily pushing the lie that being ruled by an unelected foreign government and paying for the privilege of being a net importer of its stuff is supposedly good for us.
As for the Maltese no I was definitely referring to the French.Doesn’t say anything about any EU ruling either way here.Ironically it seems to be one of the issues which the EU sees fit to delegate to the National governments.While it’s obvious that it was National government here which ‘banned’ fox hunting not the EU and if the EU really wanted to stop horse meat being sold here as so called ‘beef’ they’ve had 45 years to do it.But what is certain is that we’ve got nothing to learn from the backward French regarding the morals of food production with my personal view being that the killing of wild animals and the use/export of British horses for food should be made illegal.Obviously more chance of that happening under the control of our own government than the zb EU.
Buzzer:
Wo is me as on the BBC news at six they announced that the price of a BLT sandwich will cost us more if there is a no deal scenario, what the [zb] does that matter in the grand scheme of things as we can eat an alternative and apparently all the BLT’s made here have Danish bacon, Dutch tomatoes & Spanish lettuce as they are the only suppliers of these ingredients & If you become ill by eating a British equivalent you will die as there wont be the medicine available to cure you, we might as well all give up now.
What will they try and scare us with next, look what happened when Edwina Curry started on about eggs and the industry almost collapsed, as I have said before no one really knows what will happen if no deal is reached, they also say transport will be affected with delays but that will hurt the EU more than us as we now only do 13% of the traffic too and from Europe.
Lets just get on with it and take what comes our way as anything is better than the German lead filthy alliance forcing there issues on us with no one with a backbone here in the UK to just tell them straight to get lost, Buzzer.
They keep on and on banging on about how terrible it will be for British industry if there are delays at Dover. We like to go to Langdon Cliff several times a year just to watch the ferries come in and go out and view the giant toy set below us. Every so often it is: “look, look quick, there’s a British lorry over there can you see it?” I’m not in the slightest bit bothered about the actual lorries getting held up since the overwhelming majority are foreign and as we hear going out empty as well, so no reason for british industry to be worried about delays affecting its exports. I drive between J8 & J11 of the M20 either way several times a week and a lot of the time it is one constant stream of foreign artics. The only thing that upsets me is that the stinking Frogslegs and Sauerkrauts are in Britain in the first place. If there are delays on the French side with the foreign lorries trying to get across then I won’t be crying in my beer. Good riddance.
Would you care to work this through a little?
If trucks are stationary or slowed up due to increased customs, then what will happen to rates?
Irrelevant of the country of origin of the truck, the rates will rise wont they? Im not saying hauliers will make greater profits, just that extra time will cause extra costs so rates will rise.
Consequently all imports will cost us more. Raw materials and parts we need for industry will cost more. So will food. Remember we import about 50% of our food overall. We import 30% of our food from the EU. uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita … KKBN1IA3JH
Exports if delayed either here or on the other side of the channel will similarly cost the end user more. In a competitive world wont the customer sometimes choose a cheaper and quicker supplier, thus losing us trade? So a classic "double whammie"! : We earn less as a country and pay more. Our already poor balance of payments wont improve much with this strategy will it?
Franglais:
Would you care to work this through a little?
If trucks are stationary or slowed up due to increased customs, then what will happen to rates?
Irrelevant of the country of origin of the truck, the rates will rise wont they? Im not saying hauliers will make greater profits, just that extra time will cause extra costs so rates will rise.
Consequently all imports will cost us more. Raw materials and parts we need for industry will cost more. So will food. Remember we import about 50% of our food overall. We import 30% of our food from the EU. uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita … KKBN1IA3JH
Exports if delayed either here or on the other side of the channel will similarly cost the end user more. In a competitive world wont the customer sometimes choose a cheaper and quicker supplier, thus losing us trade? So a classic "double whammie"! : We earn less as a country and pay more. Our already poor balance of payments wont improve much with this strategy will it?
Bearing in mind the definition of a trade deficit and its results on the economy anything which hampers imports can only help it.On that note you’re obviously deliberately over looking the fact that in most cases those imports can and will be replaced by domestic production and we ain’t going to starve because French wine and cheese and Spanish fruit is left rotting in Calais and we ain’t so thick that we can’t make stuff for ourselves without the help of the Germans.The only people harmed by that will be German manufacturing exporters and French and Spanish food exporters and rate cutting third country East Euro haulage operations.While the UK economy benefits from more jobs with the win win that we ■■■■■ our trade deficit with Europe and we no longer have to pay Europe for the privilege of importing their zb and being governed by the unelected foreign zb pile.IE what we should have done in 1972.
On that note ironically Brexit won’t work ‘unless’ it’s no deal.Hopefully followed by the trade war which the Federalist EUSSR tossers will kick off being a classic case of cutting off their nose to spite their face.All because they won’t tolerate secession in case others follow us.
ramone:
So we can start producing ourselves instead of importing
That’s what we need here in this country, we could and can produce more here but a lot of the crops still need manual labour to harvest them, that is where the problem lies as a lot of this work is done by EU labour as they are prepared to graft in all weathers and the pay is not peanuts either as some would state its just that we have a benefit system in this country which makes it easier and more profitable not to work at all. My point being change the benefit system first and stop paying out millions for no gain, these dole mongers are just lazy bums who know they can get away with it, most smoke, have mobile phones, a car and drink as well and they have become almost incurable. When they are starving the need would be far greater to work and before any one says they would resort to stealing I have a cure for that as well, first offence let them off second case cut a finger off and third go cut a hand off, devoid them of any healthcare to boot you would be amazed how quickly thieving would stop.
At the end of the day the supermarkets have immense power, they buy from where and who they want and most is price orientated and they can hold suppliers to ransom especially growers of fresh produce.
Good job I am not in charge with my cohort Bewick as I tell you we would sort this mess out PDQ, Buzzer.
Franglais:
“Firstly even regarding fully paid up members of the EU of today I think the rule concerning origin is based on where it’s packed not where it originates from ?.”
There have I agree been problems with this, and it seems the EU is trying to stop it. And it seems to me to be easier for one authority to oversee this sort of thing rather than dozens of different national governments.
I agree that force feeding of geese or ducks is pretty bad.
I personally do eat horse meat and see nothing wrong in that. It is totally wrong however if horse is sold as beef. No defense at all for that.
The biggest problem with the 2013 horse meat scandal was that the horses were not raised or cleared for human consumption. They could have been sport horses treated with drugs such as Phenylbutazone which could be harmful to humans.
Selling of prime horse in place of beef? Since horse fetches a good price in France, and I believe Belgium too (?) why not sell it at a good price for what it is?
Any butcher who cant tell the difference (assuming its on the bone, not part of a mince mix) isn`t worthy of the name, surely?
“and trapping tiny wild song birds and cooking and eating them.”
A bit of an error here maybe? Not the French, but the Maltese, and it has been ruled illegal by the EU. theguardian.com/environment … y-eu-court
Maybe you want to stand up for the rights of the Maltese to stand against the EU courts? Give them the right to behave as they wish in their own country?
EDIT. Agree with you that Food Corruption has naff all to do with being in the EU. Food corruption is a crime wherever it happens.
Firstly National government worked just fine for us up to 1973 and no reason to think that would be any different after March 2019.While at least now you’ve confirmed exactly what I thought in that you’re ideologically a Federalist and your allegiance is first and foremost to a Federal EU/USE/EUSSR and not any specific state of that Union as part of that.Nothing to do with all the other bs claims that you’re making to keep us in it.So just be honest in saying that you want to live in a Federal Europe and that’s what you view as being ‘your country’ and its flag and you want us to be part of that stinking Federation regardless of all else.To the point of happily pushing the lie that being ruled by an unelected foreign government and paying for the privilege of being a net importer of its stuff is supposedly good for us.
As for the Maltese no I was definitely referring to the French.Doesn’t say anything about any EU ruling either way here.Ironically it seems to be one of the issues which the EU sees fit to delegate to the National governments.While it’s obvious that it was National government here which ‘banned’ fox hunting not the EU and if the EU really wanted to stop horse meat being sold here as so called ‘beef’ they’ve had 45 years to do it.But what is certain is that we’ve got nothing to learn from the backward French regarding the morals of food production with my personal view being that the killing of wild animals and the use/export of British horses for food should be made illegal.Obviously more chance of that happening under the control of our own government than the zb EU.
Do you read all of the links you publish?
From the 2014 Telegraph article.
“In 2007, the French Government vowed to strictly enforce some existing rules about banning the practice, with the maximum fine set at €6,000 (£4,800). Killing and cooking ortolans is banned across the EU.”
The article says some chefs wanted the ban lifted. No mention anywhere of it happening is there?
Judging all French on the hopes of a few chefs is hardly fair is it? Just as well judge all English on the morals of one J Clarkson who apparently enjoyed eating ortolans?
As it happens I agree with you that trapping birds is not a good way to carry on.
It is clearly illegal to sell horse meat as beef.
It`s been illegal to commit murder in the UK for much more than 45yrs and unfortunately that still goes on.
If UK horses are slaughtered in a humane way, does it matter if the meat goes for human consumption in the EU, or goes into cat or dog food in the UK? If you take those alternatives away the animals will become more of an expensive liability, and unfortunately they may be worse treated than a beast going to slaughter for food.
Killing of wild animals for food? I can see an argument that a wild animal being shot in a field would have had a better life than an animal raised intensively in a farm setting?
National Government worked fine in Europe up until 1973?
Apart from WW1 and WW2, and a whole raft of other smaller conflicts and civil wars? Yeah, sure.
The peace of the past fifty years in western europe is not just due to the EU of course, but a group of countries working together to make a more prosperous society is better than a group of nationlistic countries, jealous of each others successes and keen to “beggar thy neighbour”.
Its far to easy to scoff, as we have short memories, but europe was in conflict repeatedly for centuries, and trade wars have a habit of turning nasty. Many seek to wrap themselves in the flag and claim that they are the sole arbiters of what Englishness or Britishness is. I certainly dont do that. I believe that all types of national pride are valid.
Im proud to be English, but dont feel Ive got to prove it by hating everyone else. I tend to feel that kind of shouty patriotism is rather undignified, but were all different aren`t we?
ramone:
So we can start producing ourselves instead of importing
That’s what we need here in this country, we could and can produce more here but a lot of the crops still need manual labour to harvest them, that is where the problem lies as a lot of this work is done by EU labour as they are prepared to graft in all weathers and the pay is not peanuts either as some would state its just that we have a benefit system in this country which makes it easier and more profitable not to work at all.
You do know that a massive proportion of the Leave vote was rightly made up of Labour voters wanting an end to race to the bottom wage rates by cutting off the supply of cheap low wage expectation East Euro labour.In which case if you really think that the dole pays better than farm labourer’s wages isn’t that a contradiction and in which case define what you mean by ‘not peanuts’ in terms of hourly rates ?.Bearing in mind that exactly the same argument could be used regarding East Euro road transport operations here and the import of East Euro drivers.IE what are you saying do you really want Brit farming and transport operators to compete with East Euro wage expectations and Brit drivers to be happy with East Euro type race to the bottom wage rates ?.If that’s your idea of Brexit you’ll hand the next election to Corbyn and maybe also explains why so many Tories want to stay in the EU.
Bewick:
Ever since the UK joined the EEC/EU all they, The Frogs, Krauts, Cloggies ( and the Paddies) have wanted was our net contributions in the Billions of £’sss. And that’s all they are concerned about with Brexit ! We have, and will be, tret like an off shore banana republic ! We never had any say in the poxy [zb] heap but Oh! they want our brass, oh! yes Sir ! So I say [zb] em ! and we are going our own way in the World like we always did over hundreds of years ! That [zb] Hammond wants stringing up with what he has just come out with ! As Jacob Rees Mogg has said “its just like a dog returning to its vomit” Well said Jacob you are a “top man” ! Cheers Bewick.
Never had any say■■?
How many MEPs has/had the UK got in the EU parliament of 751?74.
A little undey 10% of the total, with France marginally ahead,and Germany 96,at the top.
What do these 74 MEPs do when they are in Europe?Lie down and have their tummy tickled?Or just waffle on about how unfair this that or the other is?And be laughed at for making such ludirous comments.If MEPs cant stand up and make their case for their respective countries,then Ill refer to the old saying over here(and Im sure over there),YOU GET THE POLITICIANS THAT YOU VOTED FOR.They have almost as strong a voice as the other 2 largest nations(and rightly so,they are in the top 3,possibly 2 of the wealthiest nations).
As Franglais says,one can be proud of their nationality without having to hate everyone else.
Im sure every country in the EU has something to offer.Big or small.Im sure its a painstaking exercise to join(ref Turkey).Its helped keep a peace in the EU ,by countries helping each other.Yes,even if the big boys have to pay a little more for the not so big.
Maybe the reason the big boys are big is because of hundreds of years of history,not always a flattering history either.
whiplash:
Never had any say■■?
How many MEPs has/had the UK got in the EU parliament of 751?74.
A little undey 10% of the total, with France marginally ahead,and Germany 96,at the top.
What do these 74 MEPs do when they are in Europe?Lie down and have their tummy tickled?Or just waffle on about how unfair this that or the other is?And be laughed at for making such ludirous comments.If MEPs cant stand up and make their case for their respective countries,then Ill refer to the old saying over here(and Im sure over there),YOU GET THE POLITICIANS THAT YOU VOTED FOR.They have almost as strong a voice as the other 2 largest nations(and rightly so,they are in the top 3,possibly 2 of the wealthiest nations).
As Franglais says,one can be proud of their nationality without having to hate everyone else.
Im sure every country in the EU has something to offer.Big or small.Im sure its a painstaking exercise to join(ref Turkey).Its helped keep a peace in the EU ,by countries helping each other.Yes,even if the big boys have to pay a little more for the not so big.
Maybe the reason the big boys are big is because of hundreds of years of history,not always a flattering history either.
Well said mate, but falling on deaf (or is it daft?) ears, sorry to say.
If most of you men WERE involved in INTERNATIONAL [European]road haulage YOU WOULD HAVE HATED/with vengeance EVERYONE YOU COME IN TO CONTACT WITH IN EUROPE .they were aLL OUT TO SCREW THE ENGLISHMAN.
Bewick:
Ever since the UK joined the EEC/EU all they, The Frogs, Krauts, Cloggies ( and the Paddies) have wanted was our net contributions in the Billions of £’sss. And that’s all they are concerned about with Brexit ! We have, and will be, tret like an off shore banana republic ! We never had any say in the poxy [zb] heap but Oh! they want our brass, oh! yes Sir ! So I say [zb] em ! and we are going our own way in the World like we always did over hundreds of years ! That [zb] Hammond wants stringing up with what he has just come out with ! As Jacob Rees Mogg has said “its just like a dog returning to its vomit” Well said Jacob you are a “top man” ! Cheers Bewick.
Never had any say■■?
How many MEPs has/had the UK got in the EU parliament of 751?74.
A little undey 10% of the total, with France marginally ahead,and Germany 96,at the top.
What do these 74 MEPs do when they are in Europe?Lie down and have their tummy tickled?Or just waffle on about how unfair this that or the other is?And be laughed at for making such ludirous comments.If MEPs cant stand up and make their case for their respective countries,then Ill refer to the old saying over here(and Im sure over there),YOU GET THE POLITICIANS THAT YOU VOTED FOR.They have almost as strong a voice as the other 2 largest nations(and rightly so,they are in the top 3,possibly 2 of the wealthiest nations).
As Franglais says,one can be proud of their nationality without having to hate everyone else.
Im sure every country in the EU has something to offer.Big or small.Im sure its a painstaking exercise to join(ref Turkey).Its helped keep a peace in the EU ,by countries helping each other.Yes,even if the big boys have to pay a little more for the not so big.
Maybe the reason the big boys are big is because of hundreds of years of history,not always a flattering history either.
Which part of QMV don’t you understand.So a majority of foreign MEP’s,none of who ‘we voted’ for at all,decide to pass a decision which effects us here then exactly what can ‘our’ MEP’s,who we voted for,do about it ?.Which also leaves the question if it was all about the MEP vote what are the unelected Commissioners there for anyway.
While ‘if’ it was supposedly all about the ‘politicians that we voted for’ then we’d obviously have a Confederal Europe with no Commissioners and the rights of VETO or Opt out or Substitution for every National MEP group over every decision and in which by definition state sovereignty is supreme.Let me guess you wouldn’t want that because you’re another one who views the EU and it’s Federal government as your ‘country’ and is where your allegiance is first and foremost.
Does anyone know exactly how much each member state contributes annually into the pot, is it available for us to see or is that another thing lost as the EU’s non signed off accounts. Would make interesting reading no doubt and I for one would relish seeing the figures. And another point is who decides who should have what from the pot we just bumble on day to day and most of us haven’t a clue what goes on and who decides, does any one on here have the figures ? Buzzer.
Franglais:
Do you read all of the links you publish?
From the 2014 Telegraph article.
“In 2007, the French Government vowed to strictly enforce some existing rules about banning the practice, with the maximum fine set at €6,000 (£4,800). Killing and cooking ortolans is banned across the EU.”
The article says some chefs wanted the ban lifted. No mention anywhere of it happening is there?
Judging all French on the hopes of a few chefs is hardly fair is it? Just as well judge all English on the morals of one J Clarkson who apparently enjoyed eating ortolans?
As it happens I agree with you that trapping birds is not a good way to carry on.
It is clearly illegal to sell horse meat as beef.
It`s been illegal to commit murder in the UK for much more than 45yrs and unfortunately that still goes on.
If UK horses are slaughtered in a humane way, does it matter if the meat goes for human consumption in the EU, or goes into cat or dog food in the UK? If you take those alternatives away the animals will become more of an expensive liability, and unfortunately they may be worse treated than a beast going to slaughter for food.
Killing of wild animals for food? I can see an argument that a wild animal being shot in a field would have had a better life than an animal raised intensively in a farm setting?
National Government worked fine in Europe up until 1973?
Apart from WW1 and WW2, and a whole raft of other smaller conflicts and civil wars? Yeah, sure.
The peace of the past fifty years in western europe is not just due to the EU of course, but a group of countries working together to make a more prosperous society is better than a group of nationlistic countries, jealous of each others successes and keen to “beggar thy neighbour”.
Its far to easy to scoff, as we have short memories, but europe was in conflict repeatedly for centuries, and trade wars have a habit of turning nasty. Many seek to wrap themselves in the flag and claim that they are the sole arbiters of what Englishness or Britishness is. I certainly dont do that. I believe that all types of national pride are valid.
Im proud to be English, but dont feel Ive got to prove it by hating everyone else. I tend to feel that kind of shouty patriotism is rather undignified, but were all different aren`t we?
Yes I read the links.
So the ‘French government’ enforced the rule to stop the French eating small wild birds.Great that’s obviously a tick for National government not the EU.While at the same time confirming the fact that we’ve got nothing to learn from the French regarding animal welfare.
As for eating horses why would you want to in just the same way that we don’t generally eat dogs because we ain’t Koreans or Chinese and when you can buy a decent piece of beef instead.You’ve also conveniently missed the point that if horse meat is seen as a competitor to beef with a price to match then that obviously creates more of a financial incentive to slaughter animals for meat for human consumption which could otherwise be treated and saved because they are worth nothing as pet food.A bit like the car scrappage schemes which condemned loads of saveable classics to the scrap yard because the price was too good to turn down for many.As for eating wild animals again why ?.When it’s obviously all so bleedin unnecessary to terminate such wild life when we’ve got plenty of domesticated farm animals for food.
As for WW1 and 2 they were actually kicked off as wars in ‘defence’ of the Nation State against the Federation ( Austro Hungarian Empire allied with the relatively new German Federation ) in the case of the former ) and ( Stalin’s Soviet Union and Hitler’s 3rd Reich in the case of the latter.In both cases,just like the Soviet Union’s actions in Poland and the JNA’s actions in the former Yugoslavia,the Federation being the aggressor not the Nation.You know sovereign nations like Australia and New Zealand and Canada and UK and Free French all coming together to defeat Federalist aggression and then all going back home again to their respective sovereign countries after having given back France and Belgium and Holland and Italy to the French,Belgians,Dutch and Italians.Then you think that the way to avoid such wars in future is to create yet another Austro/Hungarian empire or Soviet Union or Yugoslavia or a 4th Reich in the form of the EU.You’re avin a larf.Notice I didn’t include USA in that because their own war of Federal aggression against the Secessionist states killed more Americans than WW1/2 and Vietnam combined.
Buzzer:
Does anyone know exactly how much each member state contributes annually into the pot, is it available for us to see or is that another thing lost as the EU’s non signed off accounts. Would make interesting reading no doubt and I for one would relish seeing the figures. And another point is who decides who should have what from the pot we just bumble on day to day and most of us haven’t a clue what goes on and who decides, does any one on here have the figures ? Buzzer.
How it stood in 2016.When of course we voted out not that it should be possible to vote a country out of existence anyway.
Buzzer:
Wo is me as on the BBC news at six they announced that the price of a BLT sandwich will cost us more if there is a no deal scenario, what the [zb] does that matter in the grand scheme of things as we can eat an alternative and apparently all the BLT’s made here have Danish bacon, Dutch tomatoes & Spanish lettuce as they are the only suppliers of these ingredients & If you become ill by eating a British equivalent you will die as there wont be the medicine available to cure you, we might as well all give up now.
What will they try and scare us with next, look what happened when Edwina Curry started on about eggs and the industry almost collapsed, as I have said before no one really knows what will happen if no deal is reached, they also say transport will be affected with delays but that will hurt the EU more than us as we now only do 13% of the traffic too and from Europe.
Lets just get on with it and take what comes our way as anything is better than the German lead filthy alliance forcing there issues on us with no one with a backbone here in the UK to just tell them straight to get lost, Buzzer.
They keep on and on banging on about how terrible it will be for British industry if there are delays at Dover. We like to go to Langdon Cliff several times a year just to watch the ferries come in and go out and view the giant toy set below us. Every so often it is: “look, look quick, there’s a British lorry over there can you see it?” I’m not in the slightest bit bothered about the actual lorries getting held up since the overwhelming majority are foreign and as we hear going out empty as well, so no reason for british industry to be worried about delays affecting its exports. I drive between J8 & J11 of the M20 either way several times a week and a lot of the time it is one constant stream of foreign artics. The only thing that upsets me is that the stinking Frogslegs and Sauerkrauts are in Britain in the first place. If there are delays on the French side with the foreign lorries trying to get across then I won’t be crying in my beer. Good riddance.
Would you care to work this through a little?
If trucks are stationary or slowed up due to increased customs, then what will happen to rates?
Irrelevant of the country of origin of the truck, the rates will rise wont they? Im not saying hauliers will make greater profits, just that extra time will cause extra costs so rates will rise.
Consequently all imports will cost us more. Raw materials and parts we need for industry will cost more. So will food. Remember we import about 50% of our food overall. We import 30% of our food from the EU. uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita … KKBN1IA3JH
Exports if delayed either here or on the other side of the channel will similarly cost the end user more. In a competitive world wont the customer sometimes choose a cheaper and quicker supplier, thus losing us trade? So a classic "double whammie"! : We earn less as a country and pay more. Our already poor balance of payments wont improve much with this strategy will it?
So these imports may cost more - good then exactly as said, the product will need to be sourced from within the UK, (or perhaps from elsewhere) - which can only be good for British industry, the workforce and the tax receipts. A revival of Britain actually manufacturing things rather than progressing through an education system focused on university degrees in subjects which promote the sense of superiority among the graduates over the worker bees because they can sit on their arses all day in frankly unproductive useless employment rather than providing a product. Not true? so why has a career in engineering been frowned upon for so long? might that be because it is not a soft option either to study or practice.
Food more expensive and delayed? Oh dear, no more year round supply of out of season fruit and veg, what a shame. That will be a substantial number of lorries no longer coming and if they aren’t coming over than they won’t be queueing to get back either. If we aren’t overwhelmed with French Golden Delicious anymore then perhaps we may see a few more orchards replanted. Butter? ISTR that the price went up fourfold when the EU banned the UK from importing New Zealand Butter.
Less choice? Bad news for the consumer? perhaps, but strange how the growth in supermarket sales share is coming from the chains which offer fewer choices. The I want and I want it NOW attitude to everything - even though I can’t pay for it at the moment but I expect everyone else to pay for childcare for my kids - may not really be the way forward.
We hear a lot of predictions about our future, very often from those with scant knowledge of history, very little being said about what differences being a member of the EU made to the UK after the 1975 referendum; the referendum which asked if we thought the UK should stay in the Common Market, which the yes vote won. Funny thing was the deafening silence from the defeated No campaign on the subject of another referendum or two to overturn the result.
peggydeckboy:
If most of you men WERE involved in INTERNATIONAL [European]road haulage YOU WOULD HAVE HATED/with vengeance EVERYONE YOU COME IN TO CONTACT WITH IN EUROPE .they were aLL OUT TO SCREW THE ENGLISHMAN.
WHAT IS MY POINT, THEY STILL WANT TO.
I for one was ,PDB.
Maybe we met.Maybe we didnt. I didnt hate everyone I met,English,Irish,French whatever.
Some Englishmen were knobs.
As were some Irishmen knobs.
As were some Frenchmen.
I generally tried to stay away from them,and in fairness I`m sure some of them did with me also.
But,if any man of any nationality,was to have hated someone with a vengeance,then I would say that he would be treated with the same respect as he had shown in the first place.
The problem with people thinking that they have a right to superiority,is,that someday they wake up and really think they do!
peggydeckboy:
If most of you men WERE involved in INTERNATIONAL [European]road haulage YOU WOULD HAVE HATED/with vengeance EVERYONE YOU COME IN TO CONTACT WITH IN EUROPE .they were aLL OUT TO SCREW THE ENGLISHMAN.
WHAT IS MY POINT, THEY STILL WANT TO.
I was, and was treated by every nationality I came across with respect in return for the respect that I accorded them, and still am. If it was different for you then I can only say that I am not surprised, if you went round Europe shouting at everybody as you do here and thinking you were superior to them. You reap as you sow.
Buzzer:
Does anyone know exactly how much each member state contributes annually into the pot, is it available for us to see or is that another thing lost as the EU’s non signed off accounts. Would make interesting reading no doubt and I for one would relish seeing the figures. And another point is who decides who should have what from the pot we just bumble on day to day and most of us haven’t a clue what goes on and who decides, does any one on here have the figures ? Buzzer.
One can only imagine Buzzer,that it goes down from GDP or the like down the ladder,to the smallest poorest countries.
ie realistically,Germany/France/Britain are contributing multiples of what Portugal/Greece/Ireland are.
That is a valid question on who decides what goes where.
Figures I`m sure are available,and,in truth,who knows if they are actual true figures,or are “gently massaged” to suit a particular sector/viewpoint.
peggydeckboy:
If most of you men WERE involved in INTERNATIONAL [European]road haulage YOU WOULD HAVE HATED/with vengeance EVERYONE YOU COME IN TO CONTACT WITH IN EUROPE .they were aLL OUT TO SCREW THE ENGLISHMAN.
WHAT IS MY POINT, THEY STILL WANT TO.
PDB - I was also involved in European road haulage for a number of years.
I can catagorically say that I was treated better, and treated with more respect in mainland Europe than in the UK.
Now maybe one point to note here - by your own admission in your memoirs, you were one of the British drivers who never spoke any foreign languages, and thus, waved your arms & shouted your way around Europe. How on earth did you expect to be treated in return■■?
Maybe I was fortunate that I left school able to converse in French & German - not fluently, but enough to be respectful. I also remember my first trip to Spain in a truck - I bought a BBC learn to speak Spanish cassette to listen to on the way - again I was able to be polite & respectful - and like I said - as a driver, the place I was treated the worst was undoubtedly in the UK.
And finally- mention has been made of the aim of the inception of the EU - ie PEACE. There hasn’t been a war in Europe between any member states , the Eu has succeeded where Russian tanks failed in the Balkans & Eastern Europe. When it comes to peace- the Eu has been very successful indeed.
To me, it seams that many of the issues you lot have, are as a result of the Uk not being more involved - the last British PM to go to Brussels and say ‘now look here you lot’, was of course the Iron Lady - and she improved the deal as a result - and how long ago was that?
So is the fact that some want to 'be English ‘cos I bloody well am English’ - really worth more than living in peace, really worth more than hundreds of thousands of people being killed on a semi regular basis.
Just for the knockers - when this thread was first started by Buzzer, I didn’t get involved in any way - as far as I’m concerned, I live in Australia so I’ll leave it up to you lot to sort yourselves out - but at some points along the I have totally despaired at the xenophobic fervour that is being used as an arguement for Brexit by many of you -
peggydeckboy:
If most of you men WERE involved in INTERNATIONAL [European]road haulage YOU WOULD HAVE HATED/with vengeance EVERYONE YOU COME IN TO CONTACT WITH IN EUROPE .they were aLL OUT TO SCREW THE ENGLISHMAN.
WHAT IS MY POINT, THEY STILL WANT TO.
PDB - I was also involved in European road haulage for a number of years.
I can catagorically say that I was treated better, and treated with more respect in mainland Europe than in the UK.
Now maybe one point to note here - by your own admission in your memoirs, you were one of the British drivers who never spoke any foreign languages, and thus, waved your arms & shouted your way around Europe. How on earth did you expect to be treated in return■■?
Maybe I was fortunate that I left school able to converse in French & German - not fluently, but enough to be respectful. I also remember my first trip to Spain in a truck - I bought a BBC learn to speak Spanish cassette to listen to on the way - again I was able to be polite & respectful - and like I said - as a driver, the place I was treated the worst was undoubtedly in the UK.
And FINALLY - mention has been made of the aim of the inception of the EU - ie PEACE. There hasn’t been a war in Europe between any member states , the Eu has succeeded where Russian tanks failed in the Balkans, in Eastern Europe, and of course in Western Europe too. When it comes to peace- the Eu has been very successful indeed.
To me, it seams that many of the issues you lot have, are as a result of the Uk not being more involved - the last British PM to go to Brussels and say ‘now look here you lot’, was of course the Iron Lady - and she improved the deal as a result - and how long ago was that?
So is the fact that some want to 'be English ‘cos I bloody well am English’ - really worth more than living in peace, really worth more than hundreds of thousands of people being killed on a semi regular basis.
Just for the knockers - when this thread was first started by Buzzer, I didn’t get involved in any way - as far as I’m concerned, I live in Australia so I’ll leave it up to you lot to sort yourselves out - but at some points along the way I have totally despaired at the xenophobic fervour that is being used as an arguement for Brexit by many of you -
