Sorry, but everytime I read Carryfast’s rants, I can’t help thinking of Rik from the Young Ones, the adolescent anarchist, taking on the establishment and putting the world to rights.
Just saying… or am I not allowed to Buzzer, as I also live abroad?
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Sorry, but everytime I read Carryfast’s rants, I can’t help thinking of Rik from the Young Ones, the adolescent anarchist, taking on the establishment and putting the world to rights.
Just saying… or am I not allowed to Buzzer, as I also live abroad?
That’s actually a better description of all the brainwashed college type remainers.You know the ones who are so thick that their idea of rebellion against authority is being ruled by the EU politburo.A bit like when the same type of nutters used to walk around dressed in Che Guevara T shirts because they wanted to live under the Soviet regime.Now they wave EU flags instead. 
Carryfast:
Spardo:
Carryfast:
… Liz would have sent the army in to get Heath and make an example of the zb by locking him up in the tower and we wouldn’t be having this discussion let allowing remainers to tell us that they are going to take out our country.Liz hasn’t got an army, she’s just a figurehead like the badge on a copper’s helmet.
Must you continually demonstrate your lack of knowledge? If you have any friends, they must be so embarrassed in your company.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander … med_Forces
Which part of ‘ultimate authority’ don’t you understand.More like in typical remainer style don’t want to understand.Which obviously includes the ability to order the forces to arrest any parliamentary minister/s or ministry gone rogue.As in the case of Heath handing over the country’s sovereignty to a foreign power in the form of the zb EU Federal government.
While your definition would obviously apply in the case of the Canadian or Australian armed forces not Brit.
So do you think that Mrs Liz Windsor of London, should be indicted as a war criminal for the invasion of Iraq?
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Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Spardo:
Carryfast:
… Liz would have sent the army in to get Heath and make an example of the zb by locking him up in the tower and we wouldn’t be having this discussion let allowing remainers to tell us that they are going to take out our country.Liz hasn’t got an army, she’s just a figurehead like the badge on a copper’s helmet.
Must you continually demonstrate your lack of knowledge? If you have any friends, they must be so embarrassed in your company.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander … med_Forces
Which part of ‘ultimate authority’ don’t you understand.More like in typical remainer style don’t want to understand.Which obviously includes the ability to order the forces to arrest any parliamentary minister/s or ministry gone rogue.As in the case of Heath handing over the country’s sovereignty to a foreign power in the form of the zb EU Federal government.
While your definition would obviously apply in the case of the Canadian or Australian armed forces not Brit.
So do you think that Mrs Liz Windsor of London, should be indicted as a war criminal for the invasion of Iraq?
No because firstly I think that Iraq was an arguable threat to the country regardless let alone based on the evidence provided and she couldn’t be expected to be able to decide the credibility of that evidence.If there was case to answer it was at the lower levels of C in C’s than her in not seeming to have a clue regarding just the tactical mistake of going for Iraq at the wrong time for the wrong reasons and leaving a massive predictable black hole which would be filled by an even worse insurgency than Saddam’s regime when they’d succeeded in getting rid of him.
While ‘if’ they’d have said to her we think we’re doing the wrong thing here and we don’t want to order our forces into action on that basis and she’d ‘then’ said no she’ll let Blair have his way that might have been a different matter.The Iraq fiasco was clearly all about Blair and the lower levels of the forces Command allowing him to set the agenda when that ain’t the way our military structure is supposed to work.IE it should be a top down structure in which firstly the Queen decides what’s going to happen based on the ( tactical ) advice of her C in C’s then relayed to the PM.Just as Dowding and the King decided how to fight and win the Battle of Britain not Churchill.
While allowing Heath to hand over the sovereignty of the country to the EU and allowing people like Salman Albedi to walk into the country with the help of the Royal Navy.Then that was clearly a case of her having sufficient knowledge of the threat and therefore her responsibility and her’s alone to say no.Not her military advisors let alone giving traitor Heath or muppets Cameron and Clegg the last word regarding those clear issues of the defence of the realm.
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.
I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?
*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais:
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais as stated we are supposed to be living in a country of free speech so I have opinions of my own which sometimes I write about and do not see that as a crime, Trump I like to a degree as he does try and do what he says he would but do not agree with all his ideas unlike our political personal who promise things in this country which they have no intention of following through with to conclusion.
As for Sturgeon she does like to here the sound of her own voice but many do not, bit like Corbyn as I like him because as long as he is in charge of the Labour party the Conservatives have a far better chance of winning the next election, should I be wrong and he wins gawd help us all.
While we are at it is there any thing else you want to question me about as I am one who can take criticism should it be justified, discussion is good for the mind and all views should be aired weather one agrees with them or not, look forward to your response Buzzer
Buzzer:
Spardo:
blue estate:
Yawn yawn yawn
Can you lot please replace the broken records you all keep playing FFS !!!
[emoji850][emoji850]Certainly, but if you are so bored with it you can also not read the thread. Something I have done with a couple of threads that no longer interest me, so I simply don’t go there to get bored anymore.
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Spardo in an earlier post by you it stated that you are an EU citizen and are free to roam as you please so aint it time you took your dogs on a very long walk, you chose to live where you do and I am sure you have to abide by that country’s rules while living there. Don’t you think you should just leave old Blighty to those who reside here as your opinions do not really count anymore on the subject of the UK & Brexit as you having deserted these shores. Buzzer
Is this an example of you supporting the free speech we should be rightly proud of?
If you think Spardo has no right to voice his opinions because he is no longer a resident, why are you seemingly entitled to comment on affairs in the US and Scotland?
Actually I think You, Spardo and everyone has a right to comment.
It doesn’t matter much to me what anyone’s origins are. It’s whether or not they are speaking the truth that counts.
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Thank you Franglais.
A breath of fresh air in an otherwise unedifying series of posts. 
Franglais:
]I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?
Let’s get this right you want to make an example of a country with which we’ve got a trade surplus and which we don’t have to be subjected to US Federal rule or pay anything into the US Federal budget for the privilege.Let alone the contradiction in Sturgeon’s definition of Scottish ‘independence’ obviously meaning EU rule over the place.As for Buzzer,just like Rees Mogg and co,yet another whingeing Conservative moaning about May not wanting to deliver Brexit.But still loyal to the Party which is historically all for the EU and led by people like Heath,Major and Cameron and having exiled Powell and at best now David Davis having had to walk away from May’s bs Brexit stitch up,to prove it.You all couldn’t make it up.
I just want us out of the poxy EU preferably without a deal and no strings whatsoever ! There may be a short term upheaval but the Europeans will literally fall over themselves to deal with us and so they should and they will also be very welcome to do so ! All this scare mongering re started by the Sad Loser Remainers is just that scaremongering ! Our standards are every bit as high as theirs and they will not take a “nose dive” overnight when we, hopefully, leave next March. I voted against joining the Poxy EEC in 1975 and my view since then has only strengthened my resolve. The Eurocrats/reptiles are literally ■■■■■■■■ themselves because there are two or three other countries that will quickly follow us out of the “■■■■ heap” once we get totally clear here in the UK. Plus The Irish should be very careful of sticking their two Penny worth in and realise, for once, which side their bread is buttered on and that goes for that mouthy Scots Bird as well but she is defo going to get her comeuppance in the not too distant future.Cheers Bewick.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais you state that I have commented on other threads about the USA & Sturgeon and that’s exactly my point on other threads. This is totally irrelevant to
“EU REFERENDUM WHATS YOUR VOTE” . Surely I am entitled to comment on other subjects on other threads without being ostracized or am I mistaken Buzzer.
Bewick:
I just want us out of the poxy EU preferably without a deal and no strings whatsoever ! There may be a short term upheaval but the Europeans will literally fall over themselves to deal with us and so they should and they will also be very welcome to do so ! All this scare mongering re started by the Sad Loser Remainers is just that scaremongering ! Our standards are every bit as high as theirs and they will not take a “nose dive” overnight when we, hopefully, leave next March. I voted against joining the Poxy EEC in 1975 and my view since then has only strengthened my resolve. The Eurocrats/reptiles are literally ■■■■■■■■ themselves because there are two or three other countries that will quickly follow us out of the “[zb] heap” once we get totally clear here in the UK. Plus The Irish should be very careful of sticking their two Penny worth in and realise, for once, which side their bread is buttered on and that goes for that mouthy Scots Bird as well but she is defo going to get her comeuppance in the not too distant future.Cheers Bewick.
My feelings exactly.
The Remoaners are now so desperate that they are stepping up the fear campaign with their: “You’re all going to die if we leave the eu because there will be no more medicines.”
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais you state that I have commented on other threads about the USA & Sturgeon and that’s exactly my point on other threads. This is totally irrelevant to
“EU REFERENDUM WHATS YOUR VOTE” . Surely I am entitled to comment on other subjects on other threads without being ostracized or am I mistaken Buzzer.
Of course you are, in my opinion, entitled to comment on Brexit, Trump and Scotland.
So I hope am I, and everyone else.
So, please why did you tell others their opinions aren’t welcome because of where they live ?
“Your opinions do not matter on the subject of UK and Brexit any more because you have deserted these shores”.
Post #1379 yesterday.
And how does “ostracized” come into it?
You claim to be up for a civilized debate. Good. I hope I am too.
I’m not insulting you or telling you your opinions are invalid. I’m not telling others to ignore or insult you. Ostracized??
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Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais you state that I have commented on other threads about the USA & Sturgeon and that’s exactly my point on other threads. This is totally irrelevant to
“EU REFERENDUM WHATS YOUR VOTE” . Surely I am entitled to comment on other subjects on other threads without being ostracized or am I mistaken Buzzer.Of course you are, in my opinion, entitled to comment on Brexit, Trump and Scotland.
So I hope am I, and everyone else.
So, please why did you tell others their opinions aren’t welcome because of where they live ?
“Your opinions do not matter on the subject of UK and Brexit any more because you have deserted these shores”.
Post #1379 yesterday.And how does “ostracized” come into it?
You claim to be up for a civilized debate. Good. I hope I am too.
I’m not insulting you or telling you your opinions are invalid. I’m not telling others to ignore or insult you. Ostracized??
At least so long as we’re allowed to trade with the US without being subject to US Federal rule and having to pay into the US Federal budget,agreeing with Trump ain’t exactly the same thing as Brits agreeing with the EU’s blackmail of cash and Sovereignty for trade,let alone when the trade in question is a deficit liability to us.Just because ex pats living on the continent have a perceived financial self interest in that ongoing situation.The fact is we want our country back and Brit ex pats living in the EU should expect no more rights in that regard than Australian or US,Canadian or any other choice of foreign destination and host.In which case you look after the interests of your host country and we’ll look after ours and in this case those interests are obviously opposite to each other’s and assuming May gets kicked out in favour of proper Brexit as part of that you’ll obviously have to expect to pay for those lost UK contributions out of your host country’s increased taxes.Tough you want the EU you stay there and you pay for it.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Kmills you can say what you like tizz a country of free speech or it was until you bring the coloured community into the equation then its an entirely different matter, as for your mention of CF well most threads on TNUK he comments on but the rest of the posters just ignore or take the micky out of him.
As for you living outside the UK that is your matter for you but then I have not seen you ranting on about how this country is run like Spardo does, lots of men I knew way back have moved to various different domains in the EU and are well happy, its just a matter of choice at the end of the day, Buzzer.I think you’ll find Buzzer, that Spardo has said in a previous post about his financial interests in the UK.
I don’t think he was under any obligation to have said any of that, but he chose to.
Should all contributors to threads have to state their interests?
I think not. Maybe you do?
If so would you care to tell us of your involvement in the USA and Scotland since you have in other threads commented* on Trump and Sturgeon?*I won’t use your expression of “ranting”.
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Franglais you state that I have commented on other threads about the USA & Sturgeon and that’s exactly my point on other threads. This is totally irrelevant to
“EU REFERENDUM WHATS YOUR VOTE” . Surely I am entitled to comment on other subjects on other threads without being ostracized or am I mistaken Buzzer.Of course you are, in my opinion, entitled to comment on Brexit, Trump and Scotland.
So I hope am I, and everyone else.
So, please why did you tell others their opinions aren’t welcome because of where they live ?
“Your opinions do not matter on the subject of UK and Brexit any more because you have deserted these shores”.
Post #1379 yesterday.And how does “ostracized” come into it?
You claim to be up for a civilized debate. Good. I hope I am too.
I’m not insulting you or telling you your opinions are invalid. I’m not telling others to ignore or insult you. Ostracized??At least so long as we’re allowed to trade with the US without being subject to US Federal rule and having to pay into the US Federal budget,agreeing with Trump ain’t exactly the same thing as Brits agreeing with the EU’s blackmail of cash and Sovereignty for trade,let alone when the trade in question is a deficit liability to us.Just because ex pats living on the continent have a perceived financial self interest in that ongoing situation.The fact is we want our country back and Brit ex pats living in the EU should expect no more rights in that regard than Australian or US,Canadian or any other choice of foreign destination and host.In which case you look after the interests of your host country and we’ll look after ours and in this case those interests are obviously opposite to each other’s and assuming May gets kicked out in favour of proper Brexit as part of that you’ll obviously have to expect to pay for those lost UK contributions out of your host country’s increased taxes.Tough you want the EU you stay there and you pay for it.
What sort of free trade deal would we expect from the US?
Free exchange of goods without hindrance? And services?
Daresay that they would still object to the Defender because of emissions and pedestrian safety?
Maybe yes or no.
I’ll bet they would insist on free entry for their farm and dairy products?
Monsanto GM grains, seeds and fertilisers? And their weedkillers…
What about milk from factory reared and hormone treated cattle? Beef from cattle overfed on antibiotics? Chicken meat washed with bleach?
Would Trump let us refuse fracking companies to set up here? Hey, let’s get his buddies in health insurance and big pharma to run out hospitals! Tell us what percentage of US national income is spent on health, please.■■
Am I exaggerating?
I hope so.
Trade deals work with pluses and minuses in the real world. Just like the ones we currently have inside the EU.
Less than perfect of course, but outside of “Cloud Cuckoo Land” what do we REALISTICALLY think the world is like?
Should foreign residents have a vote on Brexit? No. I’d agree with that.
Should they be told their opinions are not welcome? I say they are entitled to free speech here, just as much as anyone else.
It doesn’t matter if any contributor here (IMHO) is resident in another country. I can hear them, and choose to listen or not, as I can hear those UK residents who seemingly want to hand the keys of the gate to Trump or Putin!
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Franglais:
Carryfast:
At least so long as we’re allowed to trade with the US without being subject to US Federal rule and having to pay into the US Federal budget,agreeing with Trump ain’t exactly the same thing as Brits agreeing with the EU’s blackmail of cash and Sovereignty for trade,let alone when the trade in question is a deficit liability to us.Just because ex pats living on the continent have a perceived financial self interest in that ongoing situation.The fact is we want our country back and Brit ex pats living in the EU should expect no more rights in that regard than Australian or US,Canadian or any other choice of foreign destination and host.In which case you look after the interests of your host country and we’ll look after ours and in this case those interests are obviously opposite to each other’s and assuming May gets kicked out in favour of proper Brexit as part of that you’ll obviously have to expect to pay for those lost UK contributions out of your host country’s increased taxes.Tough you want the EU you stay there and you pay for it.What sort of free trade deal would we expect from the US?
Free exchange of goods without hindrance? And services?
Daresay that they would still object to the Defender because of emissions and pedestrian safety?
Maybe yes or no.
I’ll bet they would insist on free entry for their farm and dairy products?
Monsanto GM grains, seeds and fertilisers? And their weedkillers…
What about milk from factory reared and hormone treated cattle? Beef from cattle overfed on antibiotics? Chicken meat washed with bleach?
Would Trump let us refuse fracking companies to set up here? Hey, let’s get his buddies in health insurance and big pharma to run out hospitals! Tell us what percentage of US national income is spent on health, please.■■Am I exaggerating?
I hope so.
Trade deals work with pluses and minuses in the real world. Just like the ones we currently have inside the EU.
Less than perfect of course, but outside of “Cloud Cuckoo Land” what do we REALISTICALLY think the world is like?Should foreign residents have a vote on Brexit? No. I’d agree with that.
Should they be told their opinions are not welcome? I say they are entitled to free speech here, just as much as anyone else.
It doesn’t matter if any contributor here (IMHO) is resident in another country. I can hear them, and choose to listen or not, as I can hear those UK residents who seemingly want to hand the keys of the gate to Trump or Putin!
Firstly America spends more of its income on health care than France.
Which part of,we already have a trade surplus with America with no need to impose any of its Federal food standards here,don’t you understand.So why does that suddenly change when we leave the EU.Yes UK vehicle exports to the States have to comply with US type approval.However,unlike the EU,there’s no need to impose those standards here for domestic consumers.IE trade with no need to compromise sovereignty.The definition of sovereignty being that which applies within our own borders.So under Brexit I can import a US spec vehicle,or buy a domestic made vehicle or an EU made vehicle just as in the case of Australia or New Zealand and just as applied here before 1973.While no America rightly wouldn’t accept anything which they felt was dangerous like the Mini that’s their perogative.But that didn’t stop UK buyers being able to buy the heap nor did it apply generally to all UK car exports there.The situation in this case being that the EU are telling me that I can’t freely buy ‘any’ US import including a truck with a Fuller box in it because EU type approval and EU imposed tarrifs have to apply here within UK borders.That’s the difference.
While you’re obviously judging UK trade with the US after Brexit by your own zb EU dictatorial standards.IE if we want to sell stuff to them then we supposedly have to be ruled here at home by them let alone pay into the Federal budget for the privilege,which is total bollox whether it’s 1972 or now.
Hi , my first trip on continental was to pick up a load of French boxed beef from Tours. It turned out that I loaded a an old German airfield at Montreil Bellay. I watched as dirty old sacks were emptied and the filthy beef marked produce of South Africa was wiped with wet sacks to clean it up a bit the Africa stamps were cut off and Produce of France stamps put on. then I was told not to come back not via Calais but Dieppe /Newhaven where clearance was within 5 minutes. Worried about trade with France, NOT me. By the way mine wasn’t the only load from there and it went to the London market.
cartageman:
Hi , my first trip on continental was to pick up a load of French boxed beef from Tours. It turned out that I loaded a an old German airfield at Montreil Bellay. I watched as dirty old sacks were emptied and the filthy beef marked produce of South Africa was wiped with wet sacks to clean it up a bit the Africa stamps were cut off and Produce of France stamps put on. then I was told not to come back not via Calais but Dieppe /Newhaven where clearance was within 5 minutes. Worried about trade with France, NOT me. By the way mine wasn’t the only load from there and it went to the London market.
That’s awful. What a bunch of no good foreigners.
What did the Police or Health Inspectors or the UK customer say when you shared your experiences with them?
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If we have a NO DEAL situation with the EU, we will NOT be able to agree Bi-lateral TRADE agreements with ANY of the EU remaining 27. The EU trades as a block and you have to abide by the Block rules. Non trade issues (pensions, welfare, health) Bi Lateral agreements ARE permitted.
EG If you want to send cars to the EU, you make them to the EU standards. You want to send them to the US, same rules apply. How much OUR cars differ from the EU or US is up to us but production will be UK/EU/US/SA etc. Nothing new really.
The Messiah has risen…beware the aides of Farage!