Well Spardo if you are a expecting a balance of “left wing” views on this site you will be wasting your time mate ! However, if I fall into the category of “Right Wing” I am pleased to say that I am White English and very proud of it too ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
if I fall into the category of “Right Wing” I am pleased to say that I am White English and very proud of it too ! Cheers Bewick.
No that’s now considered as far right. 
If I’ve got it right you’re also a Heath voting Conservative Brexiteer.You couldn’t make it up Bewick.You’re in the zb either way from the point of view of all sides. 
Carryfast:
Bewick:
if I fall into the category of “Right Wing” I am pleased to say that I am White English and very proud of it too ! Cheers Bewick.No that’s now considered as far right.
You’ve lost the ■■■■■■■ plot “CF” ! 
Heath was a ■■■■ which unfortunately I wasn’t aware of when I voted Conservative in the 1970 election. However , by the time of the first referendum in '75 I was clued up and I voted against joining the EEC ! what a ■■■■■■■ Con Job that ■■■■ Heath did on us !! Bit like you not swallowing the medication Matron gives you at “bang up” time and then at midnight you start “kicking off” and the two big Blokes in white coats have to be called to put the “jacket” on you !! And I’ll have you know that I voted LEAVE so I’ve remained true to my beliefs ! So when are they going to reinstate Capital punishment ? Are we at least in agreement on that one “CF” ? Cheers Bewick. 
Dennis my good friend, Save your breath, Why not just open a bottle of you & yours fave wine & let CF Enjoy his medication, IMOO He is from another planet FFS, He ■■■■■■ me right off when he spouts about everything he knows ■■■■ all about, Im just having a Large Glenmorangie just to keep me going till I get up in the morning,& Enjoy a full English B/Fast, Cooked by me of course 
, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Dennis my good friend, Save your breath, Why not just open a bottle of you & yours fave wine & let CF Enjoy his medication, IMOO He is from another planet FFS, He ■■■■■■ me right off when he spouts about everything he knows [zb] all about, Im just having a Large Glenmorangie just to keep me going till I get up in the morning,& Enjoy a full English B/Fast, Cooked by me of course
Larry my good Pal you are defo living “high on the Hog” !! Glenmorangie ( multiple large ones!) a good nights sleep and then a “full English” in the morning !!! Well I have a confession ! I’ve just finished a couple of large ones ( Grouse 
) on the patio with my Good Lady ! To-morrow morning I will also be enjoying a " Full English" Oh! and I will set the table and “do” the toast and brew up as my contribution ! Hope you are managing OK and your Good Lady is doing better, hopefully. Regards Dennis. PS we’ve got to keep “CF” in hand or ■■■■ knows what he’ll come up with next, nothing sensible of course !
Bewick:
You’ve lost the [zb] plot “CF” !
To be fair it didn’t stop with Heath.It was the whole bleedin lot of em from Thatcher supporting remain in '75 then Major signing the country away even more to now remainer May predictably throwing a spanner in the works of Brexit at every opportunity.While there wasn’t much point in voting leave when Cameron and Hammond had already rigged the terms of the referendum so that the decision wasn’t actually going to be binding on the government. 
As for the death penalty it depends on the crime and the level of proof ( bearing in mind the Bentley and Ellis cases for example ) but given that then ironically it’s arguably a more humane option than locking someone up for a long time. 
Reckon old CF is a secretly planted moderator put there just to wind you poor old sods up, down here we would call him a " black cat " cos if you got one he’s got a blacker one. The best way to handle him is to ignore his input and not rise to the bait and after a while he wont bother you any more, cheers Buzzer.
PS. has CF got a cat ?
CF:
While there wasn’t much point in voting leave when Cameron and Hammond had already rigged the terms of the referendum so that the decision wasn’t actually going to be binding on the government.
They didn’t, but why would you expect it to be? You surely don’t expect politicians to stick by everything they say when they are trying to get your vote, do you?
Sadly, imo, this is one of the very few times in my lifetime that they actually seem to be doing what they said. That is, dragging the UK out of the EU. All the arguements now are about the terms, which nobody knew about when they voted.
Cart before the horse. The vote should be for the terms, not just for the principle.
Buzzer:
Reckon old CF is a secretly planted moderator put there just to wind you poor old sods up, down here we would call him a " black cat " cos if you got one he’s got a blacker one. The best way to handle him is to ignore his input and not rise to the bait and after a while he wont bother you any more, cheers Buzzer.PS. has CF got a cat ?
Sorry if the facts related to the treacherous Tory tossers don’t fit the Tory Party faithful script.
Spardo:
CF:
While there wasn’t much point in voting leave when Cameron and Hammond had already rigged the terms of the referendum so that the decision wasn’t actually going to be binding on the government.They didn’t, but why would you expect it to be? You surely don’t expect politicians to stick by everything they say when they are trying to get your vote, do you?
Sadly, imo, this is one of the very few times in my lifetime that they actually seem to be doing what they said. That is, dragging the UK out of the EU. All the arguements now are about the terms, which nobody knew about when they voted.
Cart before the horse. The vote should be for the terms, not just for the principle.
The ‘terms’ were clearly laid out within the Leave side policy information.No more juristiction of EU government here which obviously includes immigration and trade policy and no more ‘contributions’ in to the EU coffers.What else could possibly mean ‘Leave’ without it meaning that.
As for the referendum the Referendum Act clearly states that it’s only a non binding consultative document.
Spardo:
CF:
While there wasn’t much point in voting leave when Cameron and Hammond had already rigged the terms of the referendum so that the decision wasn’t actually going to be binding on the government.They didn’t, but why would you expect it to be? You surely don’t expect politicians to stick by everything they say when they are trying to get your vote, do you?
Sadly, imo, this is one of the very few times in my lifetime that they actually seem to be doing what they said. That is, dragging the UK out of the EU. All the arguements now are about the terms, which nobody knew about when they voted.
Cart before the horse. The vote should be for the terms, not just for the principle.
I think that many voted for the promise of a Brave New World, where the plucky Brits take on the rest of the world, and against all the odds, win through. They voted for a better future.
We`re stuck with a bunch of politicians trying to gain work by paying workers less and undercutting our Euro neighbours. NO, more than that, they want us to be “competitive on the world stage”! The current leaders want us to enter a free labour market with China and India! Oh, what freedoms we have to look forward to!
The right to strike deals with the US, whose current leader is occupying himself with ripping up existing agreements? Good future there, then.
Many voted for a change from the status-quo, well, I can understand that: We all want better dont we? But I cant understand them falling for the Imaginary World promised by the politicos. All sweetness, light and joy!
The remainers could only say “look at the truth, the EU aint perfect, but its better than a castle in the air”.
Seems Im the same you, Spardo, I gave up believing in fairy tales long ago, and gave up believing in politicians promises long before that!
Franglais:
I think that many voted for the promise of a Brave New World, where the plucky Brits take on the rest of the world, and against all the odds, win through. They voted for a better future.
We`re stuck with a bunch of politicians trying to gain work by paying workers less and undercutting our Euro neighbours. NO, more than that, they want us to be “competitive on the world stage”! The current leaders want us to enter a free labour market with China and India! Oh, what freedoms we have to look forward to!
The right to strike deals with the US, whose current leader is occupying himself with ripping up existing agreements? Good future there, then.
Remainers again telling the Leave vote what we voted for.I for one voted to stop people like Juncker and Merkel and their Socialist/Globalist puppets here from taking us into what is clearly another Yugoslav/Soviet Socialist/Austro Hungarian Empire type Federal cluster zb.
As for under cutting I don’t see your Globalist heroes Macron and Blair nor Commy Corbyn calling for stopping cheap Oriental/Asian imports and even if they did as usual it would be German industry and German workers that benefit most from it.While it’s obvious what ‘Eastward enlargement’ was all about,in the form of a massive pool of low wage expectation easily exploitable workers and the Euro Wehrmacht ■■■■■■■ off the Russians by playing war games on Russia’s border.
As for Trump yes he’s actually doing what he was voted in to do.That being him rightly putting America and American workers first.Which in this case means stopping the situation of the EU taking the absolute ■■■■ by expecting America to go on taking unlimited EU exports while the EU allows zb all US exports into Europe in return.No to to mention that unlike Macron etc Trump stands against the Communist/Globalist alliance which you’re obviously all about.
Or there’s the other possibility that Trump has actually been compromised by the Communists/Globalists and he’s just making a token show to keep his naive vote onside which I think is more likely.
So there we have it Remainers moaning about muppet Mogg’s agenda because they want to impose Soros’ Globalist Kalergi style plan on us instead.You couldn’t make it up.
Carryfast:
You couldn’t make it up.
Funny that, because you just did.
Spardo:
Carryfast:
You couldn’t make it up.Funny that, because you just did.
No if I was going to do that I’d have said that Corbyn wants to impose trade barriers against cheap Oriental and Asian imports and that he is ideologically in favour of protectionist economics both regarding non EU and EU trade and turning the clock back to the 1970’s regarding the right to strike here.While he also agrees with Orban regarding Merkel’s Kalergi plan type,EU imposed,immigration policy.
Ha ha, I think you mean the 1970s right to force other people to strike. Thanks to Maggie that came to an end, but the right to strike existed long before, and has continued after, that.
I wish Trump was leading us out of Europe
Spardo:
Ha ha, I think you mean the 1970s right to force other people to strike. Thanks to Maggie that came to an end, but the right to strike existed long before, and has continued after, that.
No the right to strike in the form of secondary sympathy/solidarity action.IE the type of strike which stops wage slashing employers from under cutting the better paying ones or standing up to divide and rule tactics such as discriminatory victimisation of an isolated workforce or persons.Which is the the actual reason for existence of unions and without which they are totally pointless.
But yes the same Maggie who campaigned for us to remain in '75 and the major Unions now supporting her view in that regard on the basis of ‘workers rights’.They couldn’t make that up either.
ramone:
I wish Trump was leading us out of Europe
Which one?
I mean the Trump who is best buddies with Macron or the Trump who hates him?
The Trump who admires Putin and can do deals with him, or the Trump who opposes Putin?
The Trump who wants a close relationship with the free world, or the Trump who wants a trade war with his allies?
The Trump who is an unstable, raving, loon, or the Tru… oh, OK then.
ramone:
I wish Trump was leading us out of Europe
To be fair the ‘real’ Trump would have been expected to unilaterally derecognise the UK as being an EU member state with immediate effect.While not just imposing a few token trade sanctions on the EU but banning all further imports of EU manufactured cars and EU steel imports until the EU removes the duty imposed on US imports.
As for the idea of the US President standing for secession anywhere within its perceived sphere of influence like Europe,as opposed to supporting the idea of a USE.It’s obviously an oxymoron and an impossible contradiction and conflict of interest.Which answers the question why he won’t call the EU what it is in the form of a much bigger version of the old despotic failed state Yugoslav Federation,run on similar lines and which therefore needs to smashed sooner rather than later.
There is an article in today’s Sunday Telegraph by Daniel Hannan MEP that is well worth reading and if what he is predicting happens then we are in serious trouble.
I will quote his second and third paragraphs of what is quite a lengthy article: -
Eurocrats no longer talk, even in private, about reversing Brexit. It’s not that they have suddenly started to respect the will of the people. Rather it’s that they have found what they see as even better option. What could be better than a humiliated Britain begging to reverse its decision? Why, a humiliated Britain that remains in the EU without votes or a veto.
The UK is inching toward an open-ended transition period that will leave almost everything as it is. Brussels will continue to run our agriculture, our fisheries, our overseas trade, our employment laws. We shall continue to pump our squillions across the Channel. Our laws will remain subject to Euro-judges. Only one significant thing will change: we shall lose our representation in the EU institutions, and with it, our ability to block harmful new laws.
And paragraph four:
Why is Britain, the world’s fifth economy and fourth military power contemplating a form of thraldom that none of the EU’s other neighbours - not Albania or Ukraine, never mind Norway - would dream of accepting. Is it sheer ineptness, or do some of our officials actively want it?
And a final comment from Hannan’s article;
Negotiators have handed away Britain’s bargaining chips. The EU’s response? Sneering dismissiveness.