Eu referendum whats your vote

gingerfold:
There is an article in today’s Sunday Telegraph by Daniel Hannan MEP that is well worth reading and if what he is predicting happens then we are in serious trouble.

I will quote his second and third paragraphs of what is quite a lengthy article: -

Eurocrats no longer talk, even in private, about reversing Brexit. It’s not that they have suddenly started to respect the will of the people. Rather it’s that they have found what they see as even better option. What could be better than a humiliated Britain begging to reverse its decision? Why, a humiliated Britain that remains in the EU without votes or a veto.

The UK is inching toward an open-ended transition period that will leave almost everything as it is. Brussels will continue to run our agriculture, our fisheries, our overseas trade, our employment laws. We shall continue to pump our squillions across the Channel. Our laws will remain subject to Euro-judges. Only one significant thing will change: we shall lose our representation in the EU institutions, and with it, our ability to block harmful new laws.

And paragraph four:

Why is Britain, the world’s fifth economy and fourth military power contemplating a form of thraldom that none of the EU’s other neighbours - not Albania or Ukraine, never mind Norway - would dream of accepting. Is it sheer ineptness, or do some of our officials actively want it?

And a final comment from Hannan’s article;

Negotiators have handed away Britain’s bargaining chips. The EU’s response? Sneering dismissiveness.

It seems increasingly likely that just removing the anti Federalist UK MEP’s like Hannan and Batten etc from the EU parliament was either Cameron’s original plan.Or if not plan B if by some miracle he ‘lost’ the sham referendum.Which is why he made sure that not only was the referendum a non binding document to Leave the EU,but he also made sure that he had committed EU remainer puppets in place to take over the leadership of the Cons regardless.I’d guess that we can add Remainers turned supposed Brexiteers like Rjan to that agenda when it’s obvious that there’s no way that could possibly happen otherwise.It’s as though the Cons have only recently passed their Europhile Labour allies the word of the plan with Starmer acting accordingly.

While ironically it was probably the UK’s status when added to what they knew was increasing opposition within Europe to the Federal European agenda,which created the need for such a plot.

Which leaves the question were BoJo and Davis and Gove etc also in on the scam to make it look good to fool whatever of the Conservative Leave vote ?.With it being anyone’s guess where even those like Hannan really stand bearing in mind that anyone who is truly against the EU wouldn’t be expected to join the ideologically Federalist Cons.

While acceptance of EU rule with no representation within the EU parliament seems to be the definition of the EEA member state status of Norway at least which arguably makes the EEA an even more corrupt club than the EU. :confused:

The UK is inching toward an open-ended transition period that will leave almost everything as it is. Brussels will continue to run our agriculture, our fisheries, our overseas trade, our employment laws. We shall continue to pump our squillions across the Channel. Our laws will remain subject to Euro-judges. Only one significant thing will change: we shall lose our representation in the EU institutions, and with it, our ability to block harmful new laws.

Would somebody tell me how mad we are to be facing this option? We will get screwed with a capital S. And if anyone thinks that we have friends in the EU who will help us - they’re wrong. The part of Europe that does not actively hate us, even if they could see an advantage in supporting us , are afraid of the ‘leaders’, France and Germany who see a God sent opportunity to get back at us for all the wars they could not win. Only politicians could even be contemplating such a move as they will prosper personally whatever happens, of that you may depend.

No it’s us that will pay this bill and this will be a bill like no other. That’s why I would now back just forgetting it and hoping they would let us stay in. Not because it would be a good situation but anything, anything at all, would be better than what we are now facing. Or if we had anyone with the minerals to stand up to these people we would simply tell them to stick it and keep the 63 billion I would certainly back that. But we don’t.

And please don’t lets waste anymore time in sterile argument trying to decide who’s fault it is or who did what. The past cannot be changed, only the future can and we really need a country pulling together if this is to be avoided.

David

David Miller:
No it’s us that will pay this bill and this will be a bill like no other.

David

Welcome to our world David, A 20 % drop in income in 2 years. The future is already here. :frowning:

That’s why I would now back just forgetting it and hoping they would let us stay in.

At last a bit of commonsense in this thread. :smiley:

And please don’t lets waste anymore time in sterile argument trying to decide who’s fault it is or who did what. The past cannot be changed, only the future can and we really need a country pulling together if this is to be avoided.

Absolutely, the only way. :slight_smile:

David Miller:

The UK is inching toward an open-ended transition period that will leave almost everything as it is. Brussels will continue to run our agriculture, our fisheries, our overseas trade, our employment laws. We shall continue to pump our squillions across the Channel. Our laws will remain subject to Euro-judges. Only one significant thing will change: we shall lose our representation in the EU institutions, and with it, our ability to block harmful new laws.

Would somebody tell me how mad we are to be facing this option? We will get screwed with a capital S. And if anyone thinks that we have friends in the EU who will help us - they’re wrong. The part of Europe that does not actively hate us, even if they could see an advantage in supporting us , are afraid of the ‘leaders’, France and Germany who see a God sent opportunity to get back at us for all the wars they could not win. Only politicians could even be contemplating such a move as they will prosper personally whatever happens, of that you may depend.

No it’s us that will pay this bill and this will be a bill like no other. That’s why I would now back just forgetting it and hoping they would let us stay in. Not because it would be a good situation but anything, anything at all, would be better than what we are now facing. Or if we had anyone with the minerals to stand up to these people we would simply tell them to stick it and keep the 63 billion I would certainly back that. But we don’t.

And please don’t lets waste anymore time in sterile argument trying to decide who’s fault it is or who did what. The past cannot be changed, only the future can and we really need a country pulling together if this is to be avoided.

David

Let’s get this right.The remainers predictably try to sabotage Brexit.To which your answer is let’s give them what they want by reversing it. :unamused:

As for a country pulling together why would anyone want to pull together with a bunch of Commies and their Globalist allies who’s intention is to hand the country over to a foreign power either way.On that note exactly ‘who’ are you calling on to ‘pull together’ and exactly ‘what’ do you expect them/us to do.We voted to Leave the EU and that’s the instruction which the government have been given.There’s no way that the Leave vote is now going to say fine let’s stay in the scam which is what you seem to be saying.The fact is the government has no mandate to impose a remain agenda on the country in whatever form and that’s the way forward in defying the zb’s.Not backing down and giving these corrupt Soros backed Soviet style Bolsheviks and their NWO Conservative allies what they want.

Spardo:

David Miller:
No it’s us that will pay this bill and this will be a bill like no other.

David

Welcome to our world David, A 20 % drop in income in 2 years. The future is already here. :frowning:

That’s why I would now back just forgetting it and hoping they would let us stay in.

At last a bit of commonsense in this thread. :smiley:

And please don’t lets waste anymore time in sterile argument trying to decide who’s fault it is or who did what. The past cannot be changed, only the future can and we really need a country pulling together if this is to be avoided.

Absolutely, the only way. :slight_smile:

No ‘the only way’ is to tell your remainer mates May and Hammond to zb off we voted Leave and that’s what we’re going to do.Not allow a bunch of obvious remoaners,playing the usual pretend regretful Leave voter card,to help remainer May and her treacherous stinking Party to get away with her obvious plan to keep us in the EU and ignore the Leave vote.

Franglais:

ramone:
I wish Trump was leading us out of Europe :wink:

Which one?
I mean the Trump who is best buddies with Macron or the Trump who hates him?
The Trump who admires Putin and can do deals with him, or the Trump who opposes Putin?
The Trump who wants a close relationship with the free world, or the Trump who wants a trade war with his allies?
The Trump who is an unstable, raving, loon, or the Tru… oh, OK then.

The politically incorrect 1 who has the balls to say it as it is … i cant wait for the G7 summit was his reply last week when questioned before attending and coming out of it quite satisfied

ramone:

Franglais:

ramone:
I wish Trump was leading us out of Europe :wink:

Which one?
I mean the Trump who is best buddies with Macron or the Trump who hates him?
The Trump who admires Putin and can do deals with him, or the Trump who opposes Putin?
The Trump who wants a close relationship with the free world, or the Trump who wants a trade war with his allies?
The Trump who is an unstable, raving, loon, or the Tru… oh, OK then.

The politically incorrect 1 who has the balls to say it as it is … i cant wait for the G7 summit was his reply last week when questioned before attending and coming out of it quite satisfied

Or the compromised by the Globalists therefore controlled opposition one,who’s just putting on a show to keep his vote onside.Which explains Franglais’ questions.

While it’s so much better to allow Macron’s Globalist rabble and their commy allies to rule over us all and kick off a war with Russia because the EU 4 th Reich still views Russia as being a small bit of its back yard and stitch up the Americans by dumping the EU’s ( Germany’s ) production over capacity there and importing nothing from America in return and expecting the Americans to be as stupid as us in going on allowing it and …

As for Franglas’ idea of a ‘free world’ controlled by Globalists like Macron and Commies like Jinping,he’s avin a larf.

I don’t know if anybody remembers but in the early days of CB radio the airwaves were plagued by annoying little pea-brains who adopted squeaky voices and dedicated themselves to prevent any sensible use of the system claiming that they ‘owned’ the channels. These brainless idiots were called Squeakies.

We are very lucky in this thread that is dedicated to times gone by to have a squeaky all of our very own!

David

David Miller:
I don’t know if anybody remembers but in the early days of CB radio the airwaves were plagued by annoying little pea-brains

David

Nothing new there in anti democratic remainers playing the leave voters are all stupid card and it’s so much better to be ruled by elite eurocrats instead of allowing the working classes to vote.You should have joined all the others following your advice in ‘pulling together’,to reverse the referendum decision,all waving their stinking EU flags outside Parliament. :unamused:

Carryfast:

David Miller:
I don’t know if anybody remembers but in the early days of CB radio the airwaves were plagued by annoying little pea-brains

David

Nothing new there in anti democratic remainers playing the leave voters are all stupid card and it’s so much better to be ruled by elite eurocrats instead of allowing the working classes to vote.You should have joined all the others following your advice in ‘pulling together’,to reverse the referendum decision,all waving their stinking EU flags outside Parliament. :unamused:

I am 100% with Carryfast on that statement.

We have seen from the very beginning how desperate they are - all led by the 'captains of industry and financial services ’ who have never stopped their scare stories and attempts to skew what we read and hear. Perhaps we need reminding how they, who only had their own personal vote, tried to bully their workforce and the rest of us into voting in line with their views. It didn’t work so they have been sulking like a two year old ever since, every so often throwing another tantrum. Almost from the second the result of the referendum was announced, they and their followers have been bleating about the percentage of the result and how ‘it shouldn’t count’: a standard EU reaction to any vote going the ‘wrong way’ - it simply must be repeated again and again until the right answer prevails. There would have been a deafening silence if it had been the other way round; but we don’t talk about that.

We know full well that their aim is to reverse the actual outcome by any means possible, so that some form of status quo will result. That is the most likely scenario we are facing: laws and regulations made and administered in Brussels, borders and immigration determined by Brussels, everything in fact controlled by the EU, ie Germany and France. They are gambling upon the British people being apathetic and just shrugging their shoulders and saying ‘oh well’.

A dangerous assumption, they need to consider their traitorous necks - this could so easily lead to the most serious violence since 1651.

All the so-called remainers who have posted here have made reasoned and logical posts, but faced with the extremist ‘anti-democratic’, rantings we see above it’s little wonder so few of us have got involved.

How you or all the others come to the conclusion that to disagree with a vote is anti-democratic merely serves to illustrate your own rejection, and ignorance of, democracy.

Most of us have accepted the result and only want to have it carried out in the best possible way for Britain. Shouting ‘get out now with no agreement and the world will flock to our doors to buy and sell on the very best of terms’ is living in cloud cuckoo land, to say the least.

Spardo:
All the so-called remainers who have posted here have made reasoned and logical posts, but faced with the extremist ‘anti-democratic’, rantings we see above it’s little wonder so few of us have got involved.

How you or all the others come to the conclusion that to disagree with a vote is anti-democratic merely serves to illustrate your own rejection, and ignorance of, democracy.

Most of us have accepted the result and only want to have it carried out in the best possible way for Britain. Shouting ‘get out now with no agreement and the world will flock to our doors to buy and sell on the very best of terms’ is living in cloud cuckoo land, to say the least.

Well said. I was a ‘remainer’ simply because I already knew what we had and was quite happy with things as they were. However the vote was for ‘out’ so I have accepted that. To me leaving the EU was akin to jumping from a 'plane with no parachute and praying there would be a haystack to break my fall; ie none of us had a clue just as to what was involved despite all the promises of a new land of milk and honey by certain people or persons. We just have to let those who are in power sort it all out to suit both us and the other EU countries and then make the best of whatever we end up with. It’s as simple as that, we as members of the public can do no more so there is little point on this (and almost every other forum!!) of folk just going over the same old ground every day when in reality it has no effective result. :unamused:

Pete.

Spardo:
All the so-called remainers who have posted here have made reasoned and logical posts, but faced with the extremist ‘anti-democratic’, rantings we see above it’s little wonder so few of us have got involved.

How you or all the others come to the conclusion that to disagree with a vote is anti-democratic merely serves to illustrate your own rejection, and ignorance of, democracy.

Most of us have accepted the result and only want to have it carried out in the best possible way for Britain. Shouting ‘get out now with no agreement and the world will flock to our doors to buy and sell on the very best of terms’ is living in cloud cuckoo land, to say the least.

We all know that the remainers will never accept the result and that the ‘best possible way’ from their point of view is for us to stay with their stinking Soviet style empire however they can achieve it.Then they’ve got the nerve to say that anyone who opposes their resulting foreign imposed and run dictatorship is ‘undemocratic’.Nothing new there in Soviet style Federalists blatantly and laughably lying and taking advantage of ‘democracy’ to get what they want which is anything but democracy.

In addition to keeping us tied to their corrupt foreign aid scam.On that note terms don’t get much worse than allowing a bunch of unelected dictators and foreign MEP’s to rule the country.All for the privilege of being a net importer and then paying a fortune for the privilege and imposing austerity at home to pay for those contributions and the black hole in the accounts caused by the resulting trade deficit.

It would be interesting to see how much money these unemployable Euro MPs stand to lose though

Nothing new there in anti democratic remainers playing the leave voters are all stupid card and it’s so much better to be ruled by elite eurocrats instead of allowing the working classes to vote.You should have joined all the others following your advice in ‘pulling together’,to reverse the referendum decision,all waving their stinking EU flags outside Parliament.

As usual CF you are in such a hurry to jump in (or should it be squeak in) that you don’t bother to read what has been written before honouring us with your insights.

I am no remainer. I voted leave and still think that that is the best option but if what is being discussed now is the best that the ‘negotiators’ can achieve them it might just be best to forget the whole thing.

David

PS:

playing the leave voters are all stupid card

Slight lack of punctuation?

Just pause for a moment and consider this scenario ! Had the vote gone the way the Remoaners expected ( weren’t they just pee’d off big time when it didn’t :smiley: ) and they had won 52/48 do you think that the Leavers would have kept up the barrage of nonsense which these pathetic Remainers are continuing to spout in the hope of frustrating the outcome and try to engineer another referendum which they would hope may have an outside chance of going their way No they would’nt ? If the Remoaners had won the referendum they would have told us Leavers to shut up and accept “the democratic will of the people” and we would have no doubt just accepted the fact and got on with it ! So if these Remoaners still believe that things have changed and moved towards their way of thinking they can think again because I for one would vote exactly the same way I did then and I guess many, many more would vote the same way too and hopefully some that voted to Remain will have changed their minds also ! Cheers Bewick.

David Miller:
I am no remainer. I voted leave and still think that that is the best option but if what is being discussed now is the best that the ‘negotiators’ can achieve them it might just be best to forget the whole thing.

It was a foregone conclusion that the referendum was all about sealing us into the EU and that the government would do everything it could to sabotage any Leave decision in the unlikely event that Leave won it.The ‘negotiatiors’ are obviously equally predictably working to that aim,on remainer May’s orders and not wanting any proper Brexit deal,while she pretends to be doing the opposite.In this case using the threat ( blackmail ) of if we don’t accept their obvious intention to Remain then they’ll just impose Remain but also with the lose lose of no MEP’s.Either way means letting them get away with selling out the country to a foreign power.While even in the former case and you can bet that the ultimate aim of the EU,is to remove all of the already laughably few powers,that the MEP groups have to determine policy,anyway.

Dealing with that,in the form of not doing what the government want,in us giving up now,goes with the territory.Which leaves the question how could any true Leave voter possibly think that Remain is an option in the face of the government’s obvious deliberate sabotaging of the Brexit process as described above.As opposed to resisting it by continuing to call for what we actually voted for in the form of Leave means Leave.

While it’s really difficult to believe any true Leave voter could possibly think that Remain is an option in this situation.

Bewick:
Just pause for a moment and consider this scenario ! Had the vote gone the way the Remoaners expected ( weren’t they just pee’d off big time when it didn’t :smiley: ) and they had won 52/48 do you think that the Leavers would have kept up the barrage of nonsense which these pathetic Remainers are continuing to spout in the hope of frustrating the outcome and try to engineer another referendum which they would hope may have an outside chance of going their way No they would’nt ? If the Remoaners had won the referendum they would have told us Leavers to shut up and accept “the democratic will of the people” and we would have no doubt just accepted the fact and got on with it ! So if these Remoaners still believe that things have changed and moved towards their way of thinking they can think again because I for one would vote exactly the same way I did then and I guess many, many more would vote the same way too and hopefully some that voted to Remain will have changed their minds also ! Cheers Bewick.

Ironically I’ve always thought that no one even has the right to vote the country over to a foreign power and it should be a matter for the military to arrest anyone who tries to do it,on the grounds of national security,on the order of the ‘head of state’.Starting with Heath.In which case we wouldn’t be having this argument and the remainers would know exactly where they stand. :bulb:

Which leaves the big question why did/does the ‘head of state’ instead choose to obviously tacitly support it by allowing it and continuing to allow it. ?. :open_mouth: :confused:

Dennis I like your thinking which got me ticking over and I have come up with a plan and that is that if all these remainer’s think its going to be so terrible living here in Blighty when we eventually exit they could always up sticks and leave go live and work in the EU as they think they are going to be so much better off, this would have a duel effect balancing out the immigrants we have let in to this country. But when we prosper after the big exit they would be banned from returning, then perhaps they would think twice about what they actually want.
Cant wait for the end of all these meetings in Brussels full of trumped up ideas of how it should be, time is money as they say and my god we have given them some over the years comes the point we should just walk away and pay nowt and lets just see who fairs best at the end of the day, Buzzer.

Spot on Buzzer we’re on the same wave length so lets hope everything works out for us ! But listening to those prats in The Commons it does make you wonder what the eventual outcome will be ! :frowning: Cheers Dennis.