40 billion is peanuts compared to the 300 trillion trade we have with the EU that will not drop once we are out. Pay a little now to gain a lot later. How many divorces do you know where the parties say “YOU AINT GETTING A PENNY!” until their obligations are pointed out to them by the Lawyers!
Tentatively I am satisfied with the situation today, the £ went up a bit but dropped back a little. I need a bit more then I can change some dosh. Er Indoors needs a new car and I’m waiting on the exchange rate! It also looks OK for us ExPats regarding our rights abroad. Medical care and pensions most importantly.
The NHS is a cash cow, drained by the drug companies and diabolical management. No matter how much you throw at it, it won’t be enough.
Charge a flat fee for non UK residents/non N.I. number holders (£25/25€) as an admin fee (NOT a tax) and that WOULD help the funds in the right place. The French won’t entertain you if it’s treatment of a value 1000€ or less as a non resident, you have to claim it back from the DHSS yourself. So there is EU precedent.
On the EIRE border issue: Eire is not in Schengen so they vet all people coming into Eire from abroad, as we do. Therefore the UK needs to volunteer support to the Garda to maintain a high level of vetting so that Jihadis etc don’t get into Northern Ireland are then free to roam around the UK. What’s wrong with random Border Force road patrols around N.I. just as there is at Irun and the second peage etc etc. It happens all over Europe in the border areas so why not in N.I?
Well Gazzer certainly woke you up from your afternoon snooze and you do have some valid points, payment before treatment for non brits in the NHS would be a good start and having recently been admitted to the General in Southampton for me leg job you are surely right about management, persons gaining high salaries and not performing well at all.
As for the French you and I both know having years of experiencing between us of trans versing this country that they have a completely different set of rules and agenda than any other EU member, its a Gallic thing we are told but in reality it goes against the whole ethos of cooperating nations as its there way no matter what if it suits them at least in Germany if your right you are ok you are only get stuffed when you are in the wrong.
Gazzer don’t think for a milli second that if we gave them the two fingers and just waiked away trade would stop, what would Holland do with all the veg they grow or Germany and France there cars, trucks and wine, that is just scare mongering mainly driven by the press. Its a two way road and there is three times the amount of goods coming in than going the other way.
As for your worries about Jihadi’s its too late for that as we have plenty of homegrown talent of our own as we are surely a multi national nation already, they should have listened to Mr Powell all those years ago but its too late now.
And your new car, have a better idea for that Gazzer just get Freddie broke to harness and get a little cart made ideal for local shopping trips or have you eaten him, Buzzer.
gazzer:
40 billion is peanuts compared to the 300 trillion trade we have with the EU that will not drop once we are out. Pay a little now to gain a lot later. How many divorces do you know where the parties say “YOU AINT GETTING A PENNY!” until their obligations are pointed out to them by the Lawyers!
Tentatively I am satisfied with the situation today, the £ went up a bit but dropped back a little. I need a bit more then I can change some dosh. Er Indoors needs a new car and I’m waiting on the exchange rate! It also looks OK for us ExPats regarding our rights abroad. Medical care and pensions most importantly.
The NHS is a cash cow, drained by the drug companies and diabolical management. No matter how much you throw at it, it won’t be enough.
Charge a flat fee for non UK residents/non N.I. number holders (£25/25€) as an admin fee (NOT a tax) and that WOULD help the funds in the right place. The French won’t entertain you if it’s treatment of a value 1000€ or less as a non resident, you have to claim it back from the DHSS yourself. So there is EU precedent.
On the EIRE border issue: Eire is not in Schengen so they vet all people coming into Eire from abroad, as we do. Therefore the UK needs to volunteer support to the Garda to maintain a high level of vetting so that Jihadis etc don’t get into Northern Ireland are then free to roam around the UK. What’s wrong with random Border Force road patrols around N.I. just as there is at Irun and the second peage etc etc. It happens all over Europe in the border areas so why not in N.I?
Firstly our trade with the EU is a one sided deficit liability to us.
It’s not a divorce because it was never a marriage.It was sold as a trade relationship nothing more.With nothing which says we have to pay them anything to leave regardless and that’s the basis we need to leave it on.If the EU doesn’t want to maintain the existing trade relationship without the blackmail of sovereignty and cash payments then stuff em give em what they want in the form of a trade war which we can only win.
As for ex pats this country’s economy isn’t a charity to support those who no longer want to live here.Nor do we need to appease their obvious conflict of interest in wanting to look after the interests of their host countries when those interests conflict with their country of origin.We have to do what’s in our own national interest not the obvious foreign interests of those who’ve chosen to leave the country.In our case that being the hard Brexit we voted for and as part of that ignore the remoaner whingers whatever their treacherous selfish motives. 
All this bollox about protecting the rights of EU nationals in the UK is a bit rich as there are 3,000,000 of them ( not counting the illegals) and only 1,000,000 UK citizens on mainland Europe, and probably 750,000 of them are retired and most of them living in Spain and contributing handsomely to the Spanish economy ! So this is another fallacy as the 3,000,000 EU lot in the UK are here to work/scrounge and generally get what they can out of the feather bedded welfare system we operate in the UK. There are 1,000,000 Poles in the 3 million, how many UK citizens live in Poland ? not many I would hazard a guess ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
All this bollox about protecting the rights of EU nationals in the UK is a bit rich as there are 3,000,000 of them ( not counting the illegals) and only 1,000,000 UK citizens on mainland Europe, and probably 750,000 of them are retired and most of them living in Spain and contributing handsomely to the Spanish economy ! So this is another fallacy as the 3,000,000 EU lot in the UK are here to work/scrounge and generally get what they can out of the feather bedded welfare system we operate in the UK. There are 1,000,000 Poles in the 3 million, how many UK citizens live in Poland ? not many I would hazard a guess ! Cheers Bewick.
I don’t think anyone expects those who moved here before the date of the referendum to have to leave and they know it.It’s obvious that their issue is maintaining the right of free movement and the right of EU government involvement in our affairs,using EU ex pats as an excuse,after that date and even after we’ve supposedly ‘left’.
As for the numbers issue that’s the same as remainers moaning about supposed trade ‘issues’ when we import far more from the EU than it buys from us.The truth is just lying Federalists who in typical form don’t do secession.
Buzzer, Freddie is enjoying the new greenery that has appeared after the recent rains.
The highest percentage of ExPats are retirees. people who have paid their dues to their entitlement to their pensions, no matter where they want to see out their days. ExPats are small beer in the real scheme of things in this tussle.
Of the 3 million EU incumbents, 1 in 3 are “earners”, the others are dependents. That does not make them scroungers. Just like any other Brit family. Simple maths, 1 million EU immigrants paying for the rest. If those 1 million are on minimum wage, not paying much tax and NI. then the burden passes to the higher earners. Welcome to the Welfare State. A percentage of those dependents could be abusers of the welfare system. It’s more likely the ones on the black economy are prone to illegal activities and rob the state.
The Government have absolutely NO IDEA how many non Brits are in the UK! Incredible as we are not in Schengen! “I counted them in but I never counted them out!”
Pay the £25 and that will be enough to stop scroungers abusing the system habitually.
Gazzer,as regards mobile patrols around the border area,I would say that will probably never happen.Without gong down a political route,the border area was known as “El Paso”,for a reason.
I accept things have changed,for the better,thankfully.
It is still,generally as far as I`m aware,unpoliced (and maybe unpolicable) territory.
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the fact that it was never a ‘marriage’ and it’s us that’s being zb’d by him ( Juncker ) in this forced sham marriage in the form of a massive trade deficit and paying a fortune for the privilege and foreign rule.All of which being based on a business relationship not a marriage sold to the population as just being a ‘Common Market’.Not a licence nor permission to zb us.Nor was there any thing written in that zb contract that said we couldn’t leave without paying to go.Or that we couldn’t renegotiate on our own terms those disadvantageous,if not downright criminal,treasonous terms,which dodgy Heath etc sold us into,after we’d left.
So,if one is to accept that line Carryfast,then why did the UK govt not just give the EU two fingers,if its as clear cut as is made out?
Is this not acceptance that there is a case to be answered?
Best example of this is Johnsons quietening down a bit,as regards the amounts owed.
whiplash:
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the fact that it was never a ‘marriage’ and it’s us that’s being zb’d by him ( Juncker ) in this forced sham marriage in the form of a massive trade deficit and paying a fortune for the privilege and foreign rule.All of which being based on a business relationship not a marriage sold to the population as just being a ‘Common Market’.Not a licence nor permission to zb us.Nor was there any thing written in that zb contract that said we couldn’t leave without paying to go.Or that we couldn’t renegotiate on our own terms those disadvantageous,if not downright criminal,treasonous terms,which dodgy Heath etc sold us into,after we’d left.
So,if one is to accept that line Carryfast,then why did the UK govt not just give the EU two fingers,if its as clear cut as is made out?
Is this not acceptance that there is a case to be answered?
Best example of this is Johnsons quietening down a bit,as regards the amounts owed.
Firstly we know for a fact that the Cons are an ideologically Federalist Party.We also know that, like most if not all of the Cons,May and Hammond were on the European side of that ideology not just UK.As for Johnson,bearing in mind that Davis has proved himself untrustworthy in that regard,then there was never any chance that Johnson could be trusted to also not be a closet remainer.
Which leaves Rees Mog who has gradually reduced his supposed ‘lines in the sand’ to just the ECJ while supposedly ‘grudgingly’ accepting so called soft Brexit regarding everything else.Yeah right.But surprise surprise seems no closer to ending his stated loyalty to May even though we know that continuing involvement of the ECJ is also to be a part of her all too predictable remain stitch up.So it’s fair to say that when push came to shove he too couldn’t be trusted to deliver.While the fact that Peter Bone also doesn’t seem to think that May’s sell out is grounds for at least him to resign his seat is probably the final straw.Which proves that the whole process,of Cameron crowning remainers May and Hammond as leaders to negotiate so called ‘Brexit’,without a word of protest by any of the so called Con ‘leavers’,as opposed to their stated loyalty,was just a pre planned insurance policy to keep us in in the EU in the unlikely event that the treacherous scumbag Cons lost the referendum,which was all about sealing us into the Federal trap that Heath took us into,for once and for all.
On that note this was always a case of the military needing to call a state of emergency and treating our EU membership as a threat to national security with the government having delegated electoral control over our government to an electorally unaccountable foreign power.Added to which is the fact that there is no credible opposition in the government to any of this.With Labour also having long since joined in with the Cons treachery by sidelining firstly Benn,Heffer,and Shore and now Hoey in favour of people like Callaghan,Bliar and now full on Soviet Socialist Corbyn which also explains his idiotic liking for the EU.
With even at best Farage seeming to be all about selling us out to the Chinese in the race to the bottom global free market,instead of the Germans and Gerard Batten for some reason wanting to incorporate EU statute into UK law instead of ditching it.Even if he’d have somehow managed to get into a position of power to get us out by immediately ditching both article 50 and the European Communities Act. 
Make no mistake this is an extremely dangerous situation that the country is in with remainer May’s deal ( sell out ) effectively cementing us into the EU,just like a Remain vote would have done,with a military that isn’t prepared to uphold the nation’s constitution and integrity and a treacherous at worse and plain stupid at best,government taking full advantage of that.Thereby condemning future generations to an inevitable war of secession to get their country back at some point in the future and cursing the traitors who gave it away,whether they win,or more likely lose.With a large sector,if not all,of their ‘own’ forces probably fighting on the side of the USE,as part of a Euro Federal army,against Brit ‘Nationalist Rebels’.
As for all those who supported and continue to support Remain you’ve got what you wanted now having set the country on an irreversible course to destruction.Maybe Karma regarding those who it killed in Ireland and Scotland at least,in the name of Federalism,in it now being eaten up by a bigger Federation with the help of many of its own deluded citizens. 
Carryfast:
whiplash:
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the fact that it was never a ‘marriage’ and it’s us that’s being zb’d by him ( Juncker ) in this forced sham marriage in the form of a massive trade deficit and paying a fortune for the privilege and foreign rule.All of which being based on a business relationship not a marriage sold to the population as just being a ‘Common Market’.Not a licence nor permission to zb us.Nor was there any thing written in that zb contract that said we couldn’t leave without paying to go.Or that we couldn’t renegotiate on our own terms those disadvantageous,if not downright criminal,treasonous terms,which dodgy Heath etc sold us into,after we’d left.
So,if one is to accept that line Carryfast,then why did the UK govt not just give the EU two fingers,if its as clear cut as is made out?
Is this not acceptance that there is a case to be answered?
Best example of this is Johnsons quietening down a bit,as regards the amounts owed.Firstly we know for a fact that the Cons are an ideologically Federalist Party.We also know that, like most if not all of the Cons,May and Hammond were on the European side of that ideology not just UK.As for Johnson,bearing in mind that Davis has proved himself untrustworthy in that regard,then there was never any chance that Johnson could be trusted to also not be a closet remainer.
Which leaves Rees Mog who has gradually reduced his supposed ‘lines in the sand’ to just the ECJ while supposedly ‘grudgingly’ accepting so called soft Brexit regarding everything else.Yeah right.But surprise surprise seems no closer to ending his stated loyalty to May even though we know that continuing involvement of the ECJ is also to be a part of her all too predictable remain stitch up.So it’s fair to say that when push came to shove he too couldn’t be trusted to deliver.While the fact that Peter Bone also doesn’t seem to think that May’s sell out is grounds for at least him to resign his seat is probably the final straw.Which proves that the whole process,of Cameron crowning remainers May and Hammond as leaders to negotiate so called ‘Brexit’,without a word of protest by any of the so called Con ‘leavers’,as opposed to their stated loyalty,was just a pre planned insurance policy to keep us in in the EU in the unlikely event that the treacherous scumbag Cons lost the referendum,which was all about sealing us into the Federal trap that Heath took us into,for once and for all.
On that note this was always a case of the military needing to call a state of emergency and treating our EU membership as a threat to national security with the government having delegated electoral control over our government to an electorally unaccountable foreign power.Added to which is the fact that there is no credible opposition in the government to any of this.With Labour also having long since joined in with the Cons treachery by sidelining firstly Benn,Heffer,and Shore and now Hoey in favour of people like Callaghan,Bliar and now full on Soviet Socialist Corbyn which also explains his idiotic liking for the EU.
With even at best Farage seeming to be all about selling us out to the Chinese in the race to the bottom global free market,instead of the Germans and Gerard Batten for some reason wanting to incorporate EU statute into UK law instead of ditching it.Even if he’d have somehow managed to get into a position of power to get us out by immediately ditching both article 50 and the European Communities Act.
Make no mistake this is an extremely dangerous situation that the country is in with remainer May’s deal ( sell out ) effectively cementing us into the EU,just like a Remain vote would have done,with a military that isn’t prepared to uphold the nation’s constitution and integrity and a treacherous at worse and plain stupid at best,government taking full advantage of that.Thereby condemning future generations to an inevitable war of secession to get their country back at some point in the future and cursing the traitors who gave it away,whether they win,or more likely lose.With a large sector,if not all,of their ‘own’ forces probably fighting on the side of the USE,as part of a Euro Federal army,against Brit ‘Nationalist Rebels’.
As for all those who supported and continue to support Remain you’ve got what you wanted now having set the country on an irreversible course to destruction.Maybe Karma regarding those who it killed in Ireland and Scotland at least,in the name of Federalism,in it now being eaten up by a bigger Federation with the help of many of its own deluded citizens.
Have they ■■? If the government dont get the green light on the final vote, dont we go to WTR, confused, Harvey
I watched BBC question time the other night and agree with Isabel Oakeshott that these remainers will stop at absolutely nothing to get the referendum result ignored so that their wishes prevail. It is apparent too from EU statements since, about the court of justice and free movement, that the way forward is to tell JU88 and the rest of the EU to poke everything up their arse, they ain’t getting any money or any of the other conditions, and for us to get on with making arrangements NOW for making our own way in the world.
I have to pretty much agree with Cav551 in as much as there are determined and powerful groups in Britain and in the EU that don’t want us to leave, irrespective of the result of a democratic vote. Even if HM Govt formulates what it wants as the “best deal for Britain”, and gets it approved in both Houses here, there are still 27 other countries ready to lob a brick through the windscreen and stop the job - Northern Ireland’s DUP included. Where in the constitution of the Common Market/EEC that we were signed up for (without asking the electorate first) are there any rules and guidelines for leaving? The unelected captains of the gravy train are just making it up as they go along, with the intention of either bleeding us dry or forcing our government to renege on its obligation to the population. Watching Question Time on Thursday, maybe it would be better to let some of those Barnsley folks loose in Brussels and give them some straight talking.
HRS:
Carryfast:
Firstly we know for a fact that the Cons are an ideologically Federalist Party.We also know that, like most if not all of the Cons,May and Hammond were on the European side of that ideology not just UK.As for Johnson,bearing in mind that Davis has proved himself untrustworthy in that regard,then there was never any chance that Johnson could be trusted to also not be a closet remainer.Which leaves Rees Mog who has gradually reduced his supposed ‘lines in the sand’ to just the ECJ while supposedly ‘grudgingly’ accepting so called soft Brexit regarding everything else.Yeah right.But surprise surprise seems no closer to ending his stated loyalty to May even though we know that continuing involvement of the ECJ is also to be a part of her all too predictable remain stitch up.So it’s fair to say that when push came to shove he too couldn’t be trusted to deliver.While the fact that Peter Bone also doesn’t seem to think that May’s sell out is grounds for at least him to resign his seat is probably the final straw.Which proves that the whole process,of Cameron crowning remainers May and Hammond as leaders to negotiate so called ‘Brexit’,without a word of protest by any of the so called Con ‘leavers’,as opposed to their stated loyalty,was just a pre planned insurance policy to keep us in in the EU in the unlikely event that the treacherous scumbag Cons lost the referendum,which was all about sealing us into the Federal trap that Heath took us into,for once and for all.
On that note this was always a case of the military needing to call a state of emergency and treating our EU membership as a threat to national security with the government having delegated electoral control over our government to an electorally unaccountable foreign power.Added to which is the fact that there is no credible opposition in the government to any of this.With Labour also having long since joined in with the Cons treachery by sidelining firstly Benn,Heffer,and Shore and now Hoey in favour of people like Callaghan,Bliar and now full on Soviet Socialist Corbyn which also explains his idiotic liking for the EU.
With even at best Farage seeming to be all about selling us out to the Chinese in the race to the bottom global free market,instead of the Germans and Gerard Batten for some reason wanting to incorporate EU statute into UK law instead of ditching it.Even if he’d have somehow managed to get into a position of power to get us out by immediately ditching both article 50 and the European Communities Act.
Make no mistake this is an extremely dangerous situation that the country is in with remainer May’s deal ( sell out ) effectively cementing us into the EU,just like a Remain vote would have done,with a military that isn’t prepared to uphold the nation’s constitution and integrity and a treacherous at worse and plain stupid at best,government taking full advantage of that.Thereby condemning future generations to an inevitable war of secession to get their country back at some point in the future and cursing the traitors who gave it away,whether they win,or more likely lose.With a large sector,if not all,of their ‘own’ forces probably fighting on the side of the USE,as part of a Euro Federal army,against Brit ‘Nationalist Rebels’.
As for all those who supported and continue to support Remain you’ve got what you wanted now having set the country on an irreversible course to destruction.Maybe Karma regarding those who it killed in Ireland and Scotland at least,in the name of Federalism,in it now being eaten up by a bigger Federation with the help of many of its own deluded citizens.
Have they ■■? If the government dont get the green light on the final vote, dont we go to WTR, confused, Harvey
Why won’t May get a green light when she’s clearly given the remainers everything they want in the form of keeping us tied to the EU and its conditions for membership in the form of maintaining ‘alignment’ and its rulings over us and open ended ‘transition’ for the foreseeable future.All with the obvious intention of eventually reversing the referendum decision.Which is what the majority of MP’s want.We were only ever going to leave based on the naive idea that the remain dominated establishment would honour the referendum decision.That obviously went out of the window when May and Hammond replaced Cameron and Osborne in the number 1 and 2 jobs and the so called Eurosceptics among the Cons obviously weren’t Eurosceptic enough to put country before Party by doing what Powell did in walking away from the treacherous treasonous rabble.
Which then leaves the bigger question as to why the military also won’t do its job,in stopping the country being handed over to a foreign power in the form of the government delegating sovereignty to the EU Federal government.Which obviously by definition eventually has to mean their own leadership and allegiance in them being part of an EU Federal force answerable to Brussels and people like Juncker and no longer a sovereign British one answerable to us.
cav551:
I watched BBC question time the other night and agree with Isabel Oakeshott that these remainers will stop at absolutely nothing to get the referendum result ignored so that their wishes prevail. It is apparent too from EU statements since, about the court of justice and free movement, that the way forward is to tell JU88 and the rest of the EU to poke everything up their arse, they ain’t getting any money or any of the other conditions, and for us to get on with making arrangements NOW for making our own way in the world.
+1
We voted for hard Brexit based on a hard Brexit manifeto in a referendum which the government said it would abide by whatever the decision.We didn’t vote for two committed remainers to then lead the Brexit ‘negotiations’ nor did we vote for soft Brexit or ‘transition’ or any of the other devious methods which the remainers are relying on to keep us tied to Juncker’s Federal dream and zb pile.
Carryfast:
cav551:
I watched BBC question time the other night and agree with Isabel Oakeshott that these remainers will stop at absolutely nothing to get the referendum result ignored so that their wishes prevail. It is apparent too from EU statements since, about the court of justice and free movement, that the way forward is to tell JU88 and the rest of the EU to poke everything up their arse, they ain’t getting any money or any of the other conditions, and for us to get on with making arrangements NOW for making our own way in the world.+1
We voted for hard Brexit based on a hard Brexit manifeto in a referendum which the government said it would abide by whatever the decision.We didn’t vote for two committed remainers to then lead the Brexit ‘negotiations’ nor did we vote for soft Brexit or ‘transition’ or any of the other devious methods which the remainers are relying on to keep us tied to Juncker’s Federal dream and zb pile.
Well said “CF” I know it is frustrating for us to watch these Duplicitous ■■■■■ trying to con us into believing they are all for Brexit when they won’t “come clean” and tell the truth but I still believe we will get there as I do believe the millions who voted for Brexit are now thoroughly ■■■■■■ off and would vote the same again ! And the Chinks want to keep hold of that slippery ■■■■ Hammond and set him to work in a ■■■■■■■ rice Paddy ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Well said “CF” I know it is frustrating for us to watch these Duplicitous [zb] trying to con us into believing they are all for Brexit when they won’t “come clean” and tell the truth but I still believe we will get there as I do believe the millions who voted for Brexit are now thoroughly ■■■■■■ off and would vote the same again
If they won’t implement the first referendum because it went against them why would they implement another one.It’s clear that it was never an issue that could be settled by referendum or by parliament.It needed/needs to be sorted by the military on the basis of it being a matter of national security on the grounds of our treasonous parliament handing over the country’s sovereignty and thereby democratic accountability of its national government to a foreign power.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
cav551:
I watched BBC question time the other night and agree with Isabel Oakeshott that these remainers will stop at absolutely nothing to get the referendum result ignored so that their wishes prevail. It is apparent too from EU statements since, about the court of justice and free movement, that the way forward is to tell JU88 and the rest of the EU to poke everything up their arse, they ain’t getting any money or any of the other conditions, and for us to get on with making arrangements NOW for making our own way in the world.+1
We voted for hard Brexit based on a hard Brexit manifeto in a referendum which the government said it would abide by whatever the decision.We didn’t vote for two committed remainers to then lead the Brexit ‘negotiations’ nor did we vote for soft Brexit or ‘transition’ or any of the other devious methods which the remainers are relying on to keep us tied to Juncker’s Federal dream and zb pile.
Well said “CF” I know it is frustrating for us to watch these Duplicitous [zb] trying to con us into believing they are all for Brexit when they won’t “come clean” and tell the truth but I still believe we will get there as I do believe the millions who voted for Brexit are now thoroughly ■■■■■■ off and would vote the same again ! And the Chinks want to keep hold of that slippery [zb] Hammond and set him to work in a [zb] rice Paddy ! Cheers Bewick.
I believe that the “thoroughly ■■■■■■ off millions that voted for Brexit” are what is termed the silent majority, one of which I would describe myself as. I have never ever been on a protest march in my life, or come to that never protested against anything. But for once in my life, if a pro-Brexit protest march was organised in London then I would be taking part.
Perhaps a couple of WW2 Churchill Tanks drawn up in Parliament square alongside the statue, with the guns pointing towards Parliament might get the message across quite well. Do not betray us.
cav551:
Perhaps a couple of WW2 Churchill Tanks drawn up in Parliament square alongside the statue, with the guns pointing towards Parliament might get the message across quite well. Do not betray us.
Oh wait.The idea that Churchill would have been on the side of Brexit is as misguided as thinking that Thatcher was a Eurosceptic.Or that May would ever deliver Brexit.
Sounds more like Vince Cable’s position than Enoch Powell’s.It was all the fault of nationalism not the defence of Europe’s nation states against foreign federal takeover in whatever form.