If you buy meat from supermarkets it is usually injected with water to get the weight up. That’s the farmers way of trying to make money because the supermarkets are a mafia. They control prices so the EU control doesn’t really work otherwise they would put a stop to supermarkets bullying. They are a monopoly. I remember a few years ago i dealt with Scania truck rental and they told me what a horrendous company ASDA were to deal with , refusing to pay for damage because they buy so many lorries from Scania.
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, Buzzer
And how are heavy discount supermarkets, pushing prices lower, better for farmers and producers?
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, BuzzerAnd how are heavy discount supermarkets, pushing prices lower, better for farmers and producers?
FFS did you have carryfast as a personal trainer 
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, BuzzerAnd how are heavy discount supermarkets, pushing prices lower, better for farmers and producers?
FFS did you have carryfast as a personal trainer
Oh!
Does CF often ask questions of other contributors posts? I don’t see where you are coming from on the UK risking exposing itself to US factory farming, or why you, as a supporter of farmers like cheap supermarkets?
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Clearly no compunction to respond. Just ignore if you like.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
When you ask people in street surveys etc about ethically sourced foods, many support such. Of you follow those same people to the supermarket checkouts it’s often a different story.
Some may take care when buying a Sunday joint, but are they so careful when buying mince or a pie or pasty?
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Oh, maybe I should also have mentioned about Trump telling us we can’t decide our own tax affairs if we want to avoid tariffs on cars we send to the US?
.Lets just say if your every day shopper cant be arsed to read the labels on food they buy then they deserve to eat this sub standard product, IMHO most of them shop for cheapness and don’t care what they consume but you can bet your life they will buy there ■■■■ before quality food, years ago before these huge supermarket chains most food was sourced from the local shops, Bakers, Green grocers & Butchers and the like but sadly a lot of these trades people have been forced out of business. Me I still support the local veg shop and butcher and get quality but then I have been used to that all my life especially as a kid brought up on a farm where many a meal was totally home grown.
As for Trump he is full of wind and ■■■■ and wont be there for ever, he’s alright until backed into a corner then he usually comes to his senses, only another five years of him and he will be gone and only he thinks he is the best president the USA have ever had, BuzzerIf as we agree “everyday shoppers” don’t read labels, and buy by price, then those who farm to rules allowing growth hormones, over crowding etc will be at a commercial advantage. Caring UK farmers could be in for a hard time, I reckon.
Trump out later? Fine, but the current plan to negotiate with him before 2021, seems mighty silly.
“Caring UK farmers could be in for a hard time, I reckon.”
They have been for some time now Franglais trying to compete with this for example of Danish factory farming.
youtube.com/watch?v=I8ZXAHEqtW8.
Oily
oiltreader:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
When you ask people in street surveys etc about ethically sourced foods, many support such. Of you follow those same people to the supermarket checkouts it’s often a different story.
Some may take care when buying a Sunday joint, but are they so careful when buying mince or a pie or pasty?
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Oh, maybe I should also have mentioned about Trump telling us we can’t decide our own tax affairs if we want to avoid tariffs on cars we send to the US?
.Lets just say if your every day shopper cant be arsed to read the labels on food they buy then they deserve to eat this sub standard product, IMHO most of them shop for cheapness and don’t care what they consume but you can bet your life they will buy there ■■■■ before quality food, years ago before these huge supermarket chains most food was sourced from the local shops, Bakers, Green grocers & Butchers and the like but sadly a lot of these trades people have been forced out of business. Me I still support the local veg shop and butcher and get quality but then I have been used to that all my life especially as a kid brought up on a farm where many a meal was totally home grown.
As for Trump he is full of wind and ■■■■ and wont be there for ever, he’s alright until backed into a corner then he usually comes to his senses, only another five years of him and he will be gone and only he thinks he is the best president the USA have ever had, BuzzerIf as we agree “everyday shoppers” don’t read labels, and buy by price, then those who farm to rules allowing growth hormones, over crowding etc will be at a commercial advantage. Caring UK farmers could be in for a hard time, I reckon.
Trump out later? Fine, but the current plan to negotiate with him before 2021, seems mighty silly.“Caring UK farmers could be in for a hard time, I reckon.”
They have been for some time now Franglais trying to compete with this for example of Danish factory farming.
youtube.com/watch?v=I8ZXAHEqtW8.
Oily
And when we were full members of the EU we got a say in the regs. We didn’t get to dictate them, but we had a say.
If we want to sell cars to the US will we get much of a say in the production of foods they sell us?
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, BuzzerAnd how are heavy discount supermarkets, pushing prices lower, better for farmers and producers?
FFS did you have carryfast as a personal trainer
Oh!
Does CF often ask questions of other contributors posts? I don’t see where you are coming from on the UK risking exposing itself to US factory farming, or why you, as a supporter of farmers like cheap supermarkets?
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Clearly no compunction to respond. Just ignore if you like.
CF always had some contradictory comment to a lot who posted on truck net men with intelligence, occasionally he had something worthy of a read but not that often and you seem to be of the same calibre maybe you just get some weird satisfaction from trying to rip into scripts from fellow posters.
The EU allows factory farming or turns a blind eye to it to avoid uproar from a member state and we have been eating that food for a lot of years here its just the public never look into the provenance of what’s before them on the super market shelves like bacon as an example. What about McDonalds there is another example of crap food which millions in this country consume every day, the majority have been reared on it and don’t know any difference if they really knew how it was produced maybe not so many would buy it, same goes for ready meals people should look into what it containes and maybe they would not be so keen then, there’ a bit of compunction for you, Buzzer.
The only thing the EU ever wanted from the UK was the extremely large annual NET contribution so forget about the pretence that the UK has ever had a proper “say” in the running of the “Rotten Edifice” because it was always the Gerrys and Le Frog that called the shots so nothing will change on that score but what the EU are really ■■■■■■■■ themselves about is the loss of the UK’s massive annual NET contribution as it’s loss will blow a giant hole in the EU Gravy Boat and it is only the Krauts that could make up the loss and I don’t reckon they have any appetite to step up to the plate to make up the loss !! And before you claim that the UK receive regular largesse from the EU well to put it bluntly we are only getting a little bit back of the £ billions we have handed over ! So good riddens I say and I can’t wait until 11pm on Friday ! Bewick.
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Ramoan your right on the money there regarding supermarkets, when they do special offers on goods the normal punter thinks how wonderful they are that they are giving summit back but in reality it is the supplier who is footing the bill and the supermarket getting the applause. Thank god for Aldi & Liddle whom I believe are Brothers for they in them selves have caused some competition to the big boys, not every ones cup of tea but have had a huge influence on prices.
We are never going to convert Franglais as he is a remainer and they still don’t accept they have lost the battle and we are leaving the stinking EU at the end of this week, he is confrontational in a lot of his posts and with no real grounding for comments but hey ho we aint never going to agree with all opinions are we, BuzzerAnd how are heavy discount supermarkets, pushing prices lower, better for farmers and producers?
FFS did you have carryfast as a personal trainer
Oh!
Does CF often ask questions of other contributors posts? I don’t see where you are coming from on the UK risking exposing itself to US factory farming, or why you, as a supporter of farmers like cheap supermarkets?
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Clearly no compunction to respond. Just ignore if you like.CF always had some contradictory comment to a lot who posted on truck net men with intelligence, occasionally he had something worthy of a read but not that often and you seem to be of the same calibre maybe you just get some weird satisfaction from trying to rip into scripts from fellow posters.
The EU allows factory farming or turns a blind eye to it to avoid uproar from a member state and we have been eating that food for a lot of years here its just the public never look into the provenance of what’s before them on the super market shelves like bacon as an example. What about McDonalds there is another example of crap food which millions in this country consume every day, the majority have been reared on it and don’t know any difference if they really knew how it was produced maybe not so many would buy it, same goes for ready meals people should look into what it containes and maybe they would not be so keen then, there’ a bit of compunction for you, Buzzer.
Are there problems with factory farming etc? We seem to agree there are.
Where we disagree it seems, is that you are against us being part of an economic group where we get some say, and seem to prefer us as a smaller power, trading freely with those who have worse welfare rules, so making it harder for our farmers to compete.
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I agree there are some thoughtful posters on this forum. If I thought they were idiots I wouldn’t read their posts or reply to them!
(There you go, almost a compliment!)
But asking about or challenging a viewpoint is why we’re here isn’t it? Surely someone stating a point and wanting only agreements and accord is someone wasting their time here.
I’m not calling anyone names, or owt.
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I’ve been asking about your views on post Brexit farming, and you’ve been talking about my posting style. I’ll just quietly draw my own conclusions then.
Now then I am not a farmer in the real sense of the word, I just keep a few animals now my career in International refrigerated transport has come to an end as a hobby but the company I started still survives run by my two sons. Therefore I can only have an opinion on the subject of farming as it is today, you can divide this into two main groups if you like.
Firstly there are the small farmers some own the land others rent it and then there are the big boys who own thousands of acres of land, now at the present they receive farm subsidies but I don’t like that idea at all but that’s just my opinion, you can ask any farmer and the answer will inevitably be the same if its offered we will take it. You have farmers who did not make money from that occupation like Dyson who made millions from electrical products and he owns over thirty thousand acres of farm land in the UK on which he gets paid subsidies but when questioned about profitability he said they just about break even without the payments and the most productive land he owns financially is natural green burial sites he runs on his property and you cant call that proper farming.
As for what happens post Brexit with farming and more or less anything else no one really knows and we will just have to wait and see what the outcome is, as for my views I don’t really care what happens with farming after Brexit as I am now in my senior years and wont be here to witness it or pick up the pieces so there you have it, my senses tell me as always if its too hot in the kitchen get the hell out, same applies what ever you do in life.
So there you have it my summing up of the situation as I see it, of course its just my personal opinion so for sure not all will agree with how I see things but that’s life, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Now then I am not a farmer in the real sense of the word, I just keep a few animals now my career in International refrigerated transport has come to an end as a hobby but the company I started still survives run by my two sons. Therefore I can only have an opinion on the subject of farming as it is today, you can divide this into two main groups if you like.
Firstly there are the small farmers some own the land others rent it and then there are the big boys who own thousands of acres of land, now at the present they receive farm subsidies but I don’t like that idea at all but that’s just my opinion, you can ask any farmer and the answer will inevitably be the same if its offered we will take it. You have farmers who did not make money from that occupation like Dyson who made millions from electrical products and he owns over thirty thousand acres of farm land in the UK on which he gets paid subsidies but when questioned about profitability he said they just about break even without the payments and the most productive land he owns financially is natural green burial sites he runs on his property and you cant call that proper farming.
As for what happens post Brexit with farming and more or less anything else no one really knows and we will just have to wait and see what the outcome is, as for my views I don’t really care what happens with farming after Brexit as I am now in my senior years and wont be here to witness it or pick up the pieces so there you have it, my senses tell me as always if its too hot in the kitchen get the hell out, same applies what ever you do in life.
So there you have it my summing up of the situation as I see it, of course its just my personal opinion so for sure not all will agree with how I see things but that’s life, Buzzer
Thank you.
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Winston Churchill would be turning in his grave if he read the majority of posts on here
and is so sad that his aim of a United Europe has been spurned by his own countrymen.
Winston Churchill - Zurich Speech - “United States of Europe” - September 1946 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giilcPJsYuw
whisperingsmith:
Winston Churchill would be turning in his grave if he read the majority of posts on here
and is so sad that his aim of a United Europe has been spurned by his own countrymen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv8bGoiRmGo
Winston Churchill - Zurich Speech - “United States of Europe” - September 1946 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giilcPJsYuw
But he didn’t want an EU run Europe dominated by Germany and France. I’m sure he would be more horrified by our total surrender of manufacturing , the state of the NHS due mainly to people using it that have never contributed a penny and the attitude of the up coming youth who are more interested in dealing in illegal substances than going out and doing a honest days work.Best thing you can do is get up out of sleepy Cornwall and visit the inner cities of this once great nation you won’t recognise it
That is much more to do with Tory Rule than the EU Ramone - but hey ho things are going to be so much better 
whisperingsmith:
That is much more to do with Tory Rule than the EU Ramone - but hey ho things are going to be so much better
You really are deluded
I watched the EU Parliament vote live on the UK withdrawal Bill and it went through with 600 odd votes for with only 45 against and those airosols were a motley crew of British MEP’s i.e. Lib Dems, Labour and SNP and those tossers were wailing and crying and were a right ■■■■■■■ spectacle. But I’ve got to say that listening to the many speeches, in English beforehand, from the Germans, Dutch and others who I wasn’t sure which nationality they were all very complimentary of the UK and went to great lengths to acknowledged that while they were unhappy that we were leaving they all said they fully respected the democratic decision that the UK took in June 2016 but they didn’t doubt that we would continue to be good neighbours and get on well with each other in the future ! Total respect to them ! The only snot and whining came from the 3 or 4 speeches made by the UK Remoaners ! what a bunch of ■■■■■ they sounded ! Traitors the ■■■■■■■ lot of them they really showed themselves up for the ■■■■■ they really are. So roll on Friday and I might just pop into Spoons on Friday afternoon as I believe “Boss man” Tim could be cutting the price of a pint of 1664 !! 
Cheers Dennis.
So sad for us non-Anglo Saxons - but hope for our return to the European Family that Churchill was so keen to create
Brought tears to my eyes as the European Parliament sang Auld Lang Syne - just can’t understand why the Ingiish want to 4q it all up
Pro-EU British MEPs fought back tears and hugged one another after the European Parliament voted to approve the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.
Straight after the vote was ratified - which paves the way for the UK to leave the bloc on January 31 - MEPs across the chamber stood up and held hands and sang Auld Lang Syne.
SHAME ON YOU ALL - Adolf would be so proud of you
