I hope you are right Buzzer, my fear is a weakened UK dragged into a US led inferno that will leave us in even worse rubble than we were when I was born in early 1947.
And I do remember being dragged into their ■■■■■ as a teenager in the 60s running up the Mekong to Saigon with Aviation spirit, Petrol, Gas Oil & Kerosine - almost all were Brits on that run not a single US carrier
Buzzer:
Trump is like a grenade with the pin about to be pulled, I don’t think he reflects on the outcome of anything he does before he commits. He is from a business background and usually gets what he wants by paying for it in one way or another so he can be very unpredictable in his actions, having said that I don’t suspect it was his decision alone as Obama told him when he first became president the top job in the USA is not for one man alone it is a team job.
As for your suggestion of WW3 what the hell are you wishing for, I would have thought you were old enough to understand what the consequences are of war and its the last thing any one wants to happen at any time. We are not at a state of wanting to war with the EU or any one else that’s for sure we want a mutual trade deal and the way things are panning out in France and Germany right now plus unrest in the Netherlands as well it wont be long I feel before the EU collapses mainly caused by greed but when there respective economies are not doing so great they may well take stock and be a little more flexible in negotiating with us on trade deals. They have no power over us now Boris has a big majority and Brexit which we have waited for nearly four years is going to happen so we are the ones playing the tune now and the rest of the EU know it.
Roll on 2020 as at least we are out of the rut we were stuck in for so long and its up to BoJo to prove himself as a real statesman and I think he will. Broken is the red wall of the Labour North and I think he will make sure it stays that way we will have to wait and see what he does to ensure it stays blue and I cant wait to see what transpires, Buzzer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E … GDP_growth
(Growth rates GDP)
2018, the countries you noted (France, Germany, Netherlands) were all doing better than the UK. Source noted above.
Trump as a businessman? He started with about $8million of his Dads money when he was 8yrs old. He has since borrowed/been-given/inherited $413million. According to some reports his investments underperform the stock exchange.
Yes, he is a wealthy man. If he kept his hands in his pockets and did nowt he may, after such a start in life, have been even richer.
" His hotel and casino businesses have been declared bankrupt six times between 1991 and 2009 in order to re-negotiate debt with banks and owners of stock and bonds.[151][152] Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, “I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they’re very good for me” as a tool for trimming debt"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
How much is he REALLY worth? Look at his tax returns? All (almost) US Presidents publish theirs.
"Before Trump announced his candidacy for president, he repeatedly promised to release his tax returns, making such pledges in 2011, 2014 (“absolutely”) and 2015.[1][2] During his presidential campaign, Trump first said he would release his returns after they were "worked on.”[3] Then Trump claimed that, because the returns were being audited, he could not make them public, but would do so. No law actually prevents tax returns from being released due to an audit, as emphasized by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.[4][5] Trump later said that voters were not interested in his returns; that “there’s nothing to learn from them”; and that his tax rate is “none of your business”.
Buzzer:
Trump is like a grenade with the pin about to be pulled, I don’t think he reflects on the outcome of anything he does before he commits
Agree there.
Except hell be a very safe distance away himself when any muck` starts flying about.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Trump is like a grenade with the pin about to be pulled, I don’t think he reflects on the outcome of anything he does before he commits. He is from a business background and usually gets what he wants by paying for it in one way or another so he can be very unpredictable in his actions, having said that I don’t suspect it was his decision alone as Obama told him when he first became president the top job in the USA is not for one man alone it is a team job.
As for your suggestion of WW3 what the hell are you wishing for, I would have thought you were old enough to understand what the consequences are of war and its the last thing any one wants to happen at any time. We are not at a state of wanting to war with the EU or any one else that’s for sure we want a mutual trade deal and the way things are panning out in France and Germany right now plus unrest in the Netherlands as well it wont be long I feel before the EU collapses mainly caused by greed but when there respective economies are not doing so great they may well take stock and be a little more flexible in negotiating with us on trade deals. They have no power over us now Boris has a big majority and Brexit which we have waited for nearly four years is going to happen so we are the ones playing the tune now and the rest of the EU know it.
Roll on 2020 as at least we are out of the rut we were stuck in for so long and its up to BoJo to prove himself as a real statesman and I think he will. Broken is the red wall of the Labour North and I think he will make sure it stays that way we will have to wait and see what he does to ensure it stays blue and I cant wait to see what transpires, Buzzer.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E … GDP_growth
(Growth rates GDP)
2018, the countries you noted (France, Germany, Netherlands) were all doing better than the UK. Source noted above.Trump as a businessman? He started with about $8million of his Dads money when he was 8yrs old. He has since borrowed/been-given/inherited $413million. According to some reports his investments underperform the stock exchange.
Yes, he is a wealthy man. If he kept his hands in his pockets and did nowt he may, after such a start in life, have been even richer.
" His hotel and casino businesses have been declared bankrupt six times between 1991 and 2009 in order to re-negotiate debt with banks and owners of stock and bonds.[151][152] Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, “I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they’re very good for me” as a tool for trimming debt"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
How much is he REALLY worth? Look at his tax returns? All (almost) US Presidents publish theirs.
"Before Trump announced his candidacy for president, he repeatedly promised to release his tax returns, making such pledges in 2011, 2014 (“absolutely”) and 2015.[1][2] During his presidential campaign, Trump first said he would release his returns after they were "worked on.”[3] Then Trump claimed that, because the returns were being audited, he could not make them public, but would do so. No law actually prevents tax returns from being released due to an audit, as emphasized by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.[4][5] Trump later said that voters were not interested in his returns; that “there’s nothing to learn from them”; and that his tax rate is “none of your business”.Buzzer:
Trump is like a grenade with the pin about to be pulled, I don’t think he reflects on the outcome of anything he does before he commitsAgree there.
Except hell be a very safe distance away himself when anymuck` starts flying about.
Hear what you say about GDP in France, Germany & the Netherlands but that was 2018 now we are going to be free from the confines of the EU we may very well do better than those countries I mentioned, if you look into it different sectors of those mentioned want trade with us and are concerned that the power within the EU are blind to this, plus we were one of the main contributors to the coffers of the EU which will now cease when we leave and they will have to make adjustments for this loss of funding for sure which adds more pressure on France & Germany to make up the slack and there citizens will become more complacent about this that’s for sure, Buzzer
Lookng at the pathetic line up of potential candidates for the Labour Leadership is deeply depressing when viewed from the perspective that any country needs an Opposition, as well as a Government, with a grip on reality and an ability to portray a proper understanding of life for those whom they have undertaken to represent, and on whose behalf they intend to implement or prevent policies which will have a major bearing on those who have entrusted them with the honour. A brief trawl via Wikipedia reveals the past careers of those in the ring: children of existing politicians, teachers or activists, these candidates have degrees in Politics or social history, then become journalists, have employment in various pressure groups, or become laywers, etc. Not one has held down a proper job; one to which their potential core supporters can relate. With the exception of Dan Jarvis - who hasn’t entered, there are no ex military, none with business experience, no one who has ever actually done a day’s graft. No one of the stature of John Prescott, Dennis Healey or Tony Benn; men who one may not have agreed with but certainly respected. The Tories are no better the only ones: David Davies (17 years with Tate & Lyle) and Tom Tugendhat (ex Military) warranting any respect.
According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.
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I wonder.If remainers had accepted the referendum result of 2016 and worked to achieve brexit,then the alleged cost would not have been £200 billion surely.So where lies the blame for this expense?
Remainers remind me of the smokers who bleat to this day about the smoking ban in bars,etc.
Gidders:
I wonder.If remainers had accepted the referendum result of 2016 and worked to achieve brexit,then the alleged cost would not have been £200 billion surely.So where lies the blame for this expense?
Remainers remind me of the smokers who bleat to this day about the smoking ban in bars,etc.
Don’t fret you can now start blaming the ‘remainers’ for any bumps in the road ahead, rather than blame the EU.
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> Franglais:
> According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
> Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.
I wonder how much it will have cost in 5 years time - especially as England, Wales & Cornwall won’t have the Scots (Oil Revenues) and maybe Ulster to share the burden 
Franglais:
According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
I thought you may have been smarter than that , the contributions are not the whole picture and the Brexit figure is an estimation. What about the cost to implement new laws which the EEC/EU have imposed on us , what about the cost of feeding treating and housing the EU migrants that have landed here ,what about the crime and subsequent prison sentences we have to finance for the aforementioned .What about the ones who work at say car washes and go sign on The loss of business probably more so in the transport industry , the list is endless
ramone:
Franglais:
According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
I thought you may have been smarter than that , the contributions are not the whole picture and the Brexit figure is an estimation. What about the cost to implement new laws which the EEC/EU have imposed on us , what about the cost of feeding treating and housing the EU migrants that have landed here ,what about the crime and subsequent prison sentences we have to finance for the aforementioned .What about the ones who work at say car washes and go sign on The loss of business probably more so in the transport industry , the list is endless
Of course there is more to it that that.
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I thought it was an interesting little aside to put the UK contributions into some sort of perspective. Especially as so many past posts on this thread were focusing on them.
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More broadly, yes it does matter what you do/don’t include in any calculations, that’s why I included the name of the source so you can check what it’s based on.
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Some may consider it money well spent?
I hesitate to make any call on it yet: far too early to see where we are headed, let alone where we will end up!
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Franglais:
ramone:
Franglais:
According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
I thought you may have been smarter than that , the contributions are not the whole picture and the Brexit figure is an estimation. What about the cost to implement new laws which the EEC/EU have imposed on us , what about the cost of feeding treating and housing the EU migrants that have landed here ,what about the crime and subsequent prison sentences we have to finance for the aforementioned .What about the ones who work at say car washes and go sign on The loss of business probably more so in the transport industry , the list is endless
Of course there is more to it that that.
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I thought it was an interesting little aside to put the UK contributions into some sort of perspective. Especially as so many past posts on this thread were focusing on them.
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More broadly, yes it does matter what you do/don’t include in any calculations, that’s why I included the name of the source so you can check what it’s based on.
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Some may consider it money well spent?
I hesitate to make any call on it yet: far too early to see where we are headed, let alone where we will end up!Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
One of the main reasons Brexit was/is being estimated to cost these quoted figures is a total disregard by many MPs to support what the people of this country voted for
ramone:
Franglais:
ramone:
Franglais:
According to Bloomberg, (US finance company) by the end of this year Brexit will have cost the UK 200billion.
Since we joined in 1973 our total contribution to the EU is 177billion.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
I thought you may have been smarter than that , the contributions are not the whole picture and the Brexit figure is an estimation. What about the cost to implement new laws which the EEC/EU have imposed on us , what about the cost of feeding treating and housing the EU migrants that have landed here ,what about the crime and subsequent prison sentences we have to finance for the aforementioned .What about the ones who work at say car washes and go sign on The loss of business probably more so in the transport industry , the list is endless
Of course there is more to it that that.
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I thought it was an interesting little aside to put the UK contributions into some sort of perspective. Especially as so many past posts on this thread were focusing on them.
.
More broadly, yes it does matter what you do/don’t include in any calculations, that’s why I included the name of the source so you can check what it’s based on.
.
Some may consider it money well spent?
I hesitate to make any call on it yet: far too early to see where we are headed, let alone where we will end up!Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
One of the main reasons Brexit was/is being estimated to cost these quoted figures is a total disregard by many MPs to support what the people of this country voted for
Have you an estimate for the cost of that?
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Priceless , because whatever it cost it was worth it to get those MPs off the British tax payers wage bill.
BBC R4 programme “More or Less” has looked at the figures we were discussing.
A 6 minute slot starting at 09.00, but the whole programme is well worth a listen IMHO.
Yes, a BBC prog, but before anyone shouts too loudly about bias, please look at the pedigree of the contributors. bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000d7k8
Some Friday mornings are good and today is one of those good days when the EU leaders sign off us leaving the 27 to go it on there own and lets see if it remains at that number, cant wait till next Friday as that will be even better, Buzzer.
Some sobering questions and answer here though, it’s only just beginning:
whisperingsmith:
Some sobering questions and answer here though, it’s only just beginning:
Concise, plain language piece.
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Some think its this: [youtube.com/watch?v=lg2CXkJVCHk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2CXkJVCHk) But really, its more like this: youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2Xn7tI
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Ye Gods. Absolute ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■
Well I have heard it all now that these remainers still cannot accept the fact that we are leaving the EU, are they really that sad they are going to try and remove all these 50p commemorative coins, if I was chancellor I would mint a few billion pounds worth as some allegedly are destined for UK based charity’s and another said he was going to save them all and bank them when we rejoin the EU but that’s if it does not cease to exist in the future which I believe will be the case, Buzzer.
