Good to see we are keeping this thread going - At last Britain Is Beginning to look like what the minority FPTP voted for- happy days:
Ingerlland über alles - (no connection with the 1930s) obviously 
but Mogg, Boris & mates will deliver
the landslide victory that Boris achieved
Hardly, with only 45 % of the popular vote, only as a result of the anti-democratic gerrymandered voting system.
Most people didn’t vote for Boris, or his Brexit, some democracy, but bleat on.
Bit of sarcastic sour grapes there spardo, IMHO I think Boris is more popular than you wish to believe at least now with the majority he has he can get things done and I don’t think he is any way shape or form a pushover, lets hope he keeps a level head and delivers for this country as when you look at it how it was going the only way is up now and Labour and the remainers are going to have to digest it and move on, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Bit of sarcastic sour grapes there spardo, IMHO I think Boris is more popular than you wish to believe at least now with the majority he has he can get things done and I don’t think he is any way shape or form a pushover, lets hope he keeps a level head and delivers for this country as when you look at it how it was going the only way is up now and Labour and the remainers are going to have to digest it and move on, Buzzer
Not sarcastic or sour grapes, Buzzer, facts. If you think you have such a wonderful democracy how come the LibDems with 12% only get 11 votes in Parliament whereas the Cons with 45% get 365? Simple maths mate, it’s a stitch up.
By simple votes cast in the election, the Cons should have 292 seats and all the rest 358.
Hardly a landslide, except in a corrupt system.
Leavers have been banging on about democracy for over 3 years and how nobody is allowed to change their minds and the result is forever. So how come they also think that in such a skewed system as the above, it is ok to check if people have changed their minds every 5 years?
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Bit of sarcastic sour grapes there spardo, IMHO I think Boris is more popular than you wish to believe at least now with the majority he has he can get things done and I don’t think he is any way shape or form a pushover, lets hope he keeps a level head and delivers for this country as when you look at it how it was going the only way is up now and Labour and the remainers are going to have to digest it and move on, BuzzerNot sarcastic or sour grapes, Buzzer, facts. If you think you have such a wonderful democracy how come the LibDems with 12% only get 11 votes in Parliament whereas the Cons with 45% get 365? Simple maths mate, it’s a stitch up.
By simple votes cast in the election, the Cons should have 292 seats and all the rest 358.
Hardly a landslide, except in a corrupt system.
Leavers have been banging on about democracy for over 3 years and how nobody is allowed to change their minds and the result is forever. So how come they also think that in such a skewed system as the above, it is ok to check if people have changed their minds every 5 years?
Just one point we never had a vote when we went in the EU did we, we were just taken in for the ride on the whim of the government at the time so that was not democratic either was it, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Just one point we never had a vote when we went in the EU did we, we were just taken in for the ride on the whim of the government at the time so that was not democratic either was it, Buzzer
Maybe not the EU as it is now called, but we did have a vote to stay in in the early days, and said yes.
All of which emphasises the point that in a country where referendums are not the norm they should only be held with experts making the rules, in other words get Switzerland to run it. There is no way that country would allow such a life changing decision to rely on a simple one vote majority, too devisive, as has been proved endlessly over the last 3 years. I might be wrong in detail, but I think theirs insist on a 2 thirds majority in such circumstances and, in some cases, no re-run for 5 years. Certainly not never.
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Just one point we never had a vote when we went in the EU did we, we were just taken in for the ride on the whim of the government at the time so that was not democratic either was it, BuzzerMaybe not the EU as it is now called, but we did have a vote to stay in in the early days, and said yes.
All of which emphasises the point that in a country where referendums are not the norm they should only be held with experts making the rules, in other words get Switzerland to run it. There is no way that country would allow such a life changing decision to rely on a simple one vote majority, too devisive, as has been proved endlessly over the last 3 years. I might be wrong in detail, but I think theirs insist on a 2 thirds majority in such circumstances and, in some cases, no re-run for 5 years. Certainly not never.
Spardo do I detect a move to Switzerland, maybe suit you better than France but thinking about it maybe not as that would mean you leaving your beloved EU behind you and I don’t think even you could contemplate that eh, Buzzer.
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Bit of sarcastic sour grapes there spardo, IMHO I think Boris is more popular than you wish to believe at least now with the majority he has he can get things done and I don’t think he is any way shape or form a pushover, lets hope he keeps a level head and delivers for this country as when you look at it how it was going the only way is up now and Labour and the remainers are going to have to digest it and move on, BuzzerNot sarcastic or sour grapes, Buzzer, facts. If you think you have such a wonderful democracy how come the LibDems with 12% only get 11 votes in Parliament whereas the Cons with 45% get 365? Simple maths mate, it’s a stitch up.
By simple votes cast in the election, the Cons should have 292 seats and all the rest 358.
Hardly a landslide, except in a corrupt system.
Leavers have been banging on about democracy for over 3 years and how nobody is allowed to change their minds and the result is forever. So how come they also think that in such a skewed system as the above, it is ok to check if people have changed their minds every 5 years?
First past the post system has served the UK well for many many years so there is absolutely no way should it be changed as PR would just plunge us into never ending hung parliaments and we’ve had enough of that Bollox over the past 3 years. We have had two votes, a Referendum and a GE and the Great British public ( well those that took part) have spoken, no if’s and no buts! But put it another way, if The Remoaners had won the Referendum there wouldn’t have been all the balls aching wining that the Losers embarked upon, no! we would have just accepted the Democratic result and got on with it end of !! Bewick.
We are about to leave. Get over it and keep your traitorous opinions. I don’t care if you speak French, German or Spanish. We are OUT!! Jim.
jmc jnr:
We are about to leave. Get over it and keep your traitorous opinions. I don’t care if you speak French, German or Spanish. We are OUT!! Jim.
Well put Jim my sentiments exactly and no doubt those of Buzzer as well ! Cheers Bewick.
Buzzer:
Spardo do I detect a move to Switzerland, maybe suit you better than France but thinking about it maybe not as that would mean you leaving your beloved EU behind you and I don’t think even you could contemplate that eh, Buzzer.
Not a chance mate, couldn’t afford it, they know well how to run a good economy, which is why they would never allow a Switzit to happen. They may not be in the EU but they know what’s good for them and have accepted certain principles of it, like free movement of labour. 
Bewick:
jmc jnr:
We are about to leave. Get over it and keep your traitorous opinions. I don’t care if you speak French, German or Spanish. We are OUT!! Jim.Well put Jim my sentiments exactly and no doubt those of Buzzer as well ! Cheers Bewick.
And you can add me to that list.
Bernard
albion1938:
Bewick:
jmc jnr:
We are about to leave. Get over it and keep your traitorous opinions. I don’t care if you speak French, German or Spanish. We are OUT!! Jim.Well put Jim my sentiments exactly and no doubt those of Buzzer as well ! Cheers Bewick.
And you can add me to that list.
Bernard
Dennis you have made feel like a ventriliquist’s dummy but your intuition is right, as the Kray’s said we cant wait to get out, 
Buzzer
Buzzer:
albion1938:
Bewick:
jmc jnr:
We are about to leave. Get over it and keep your traitorous opinions. I don’t care if you speak French, German or Spanish. We are OUT!! Jim.Well put Jim my sentiments exactly and no doubt those of Buzzer as well ! Cheers Bewick.
And you can add me to that list.
BernardDennis you have made feel like a ventriliquist’s dummy but your intuition is right, as the Kray’s said we cant wait to get out,
If you think you have such a wonderful democracy………. HEY !!! what ever happened to the WE that we all got to know and love about you Spardo.
Leavers have been banging on about democracy for over 3 years……. IFF they had called it DEMOCRACY they would have accepted the democratic will of the people 3 years ago… come on mate, you can do better than this. Harvey
PS Happy new year
Happy New Year to all. Jim.
I wish everyone from both sides of this debate a happy and prosperous new year.
bigstraight6:
I wish everyone from both sides of this debate a happy and prosperous new year.
Ditto.
We may have differing expectations of the likelihood, but can all hope for that.
Happy New Year
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Genuine Question:-
Do the leavers amongst us support Trump’s assassination of an Iranian General & consistent war-mongering in our back yard?
And conversely are Remainers horrified at the prospect of WW3 with us hooked to the USA rather than Europe?
Or is this an issue we come together on??
Regardless I hope we still look after Iranian Drivers when they are in the UK
Trump is like a grenade with the pin about to be pulled, I don’t think he reflects on the outcome of anything he does before he commits. He is from a business background and usually gets what he wants by paying for it in one way or another so he can be very unpredictable in his actions, having said that I don’t suspect it was his decision alone as Obama told him when he first became president the top job in the USA is not for one man alone it is a team job.
As for your suggestion of WW3 what the hell are you wishing for, I would have thought you were old enough to understand what the consequences are of war and its the last thing any one wants to happen at any time. We are not at a state of wanting to war with the EU or any one else that’s for sure we want a mutual trade deal and the way things are panning out in France and Germany right now plus unrest in the Netherlands as well it wont be long I feel before the EU collapses mainly caused by greed but when there respective economies are not doing so great they may well take stock and be a little more flexible in negotiating with us on trade deals. They have no power over us now Boris has a big majority and Brexit which we have waited for nearly four years is going to happen so we are the ones playing the tune now and the rest of the EU know it.
Roll on 2020 as at least we are out of the rut we were stuck in for so long and its up to BoJo to prove himself as a real statesman and I think he will. Broken is the red wall of the Labour North and I think he will make sure it stays that way we will have to wait and see what he does to ensure it stays blue and I cant wait to see what transpires, Buzzer.