Bewick:
I reckon Boris has really put the cat among the pigeons to-day as he has sent the Remoaners into [zb] orbit !! Well done Boris keep the ■■■■■■■■ on the hop !! Cheers Bewick.
Ive just seen 2 interviews 1 from Corbyn and 1 from Swinson both beefing about it not being democratic, roughly translated into weve used many dirty tricks to stop Brexit how very dare you return the compliment?
How dare they mention undemocratic about Boris’s move today sanctioned by the queen who none of them mentioned at all, they don’t know what democracy is else they would have had us out of the stinking EU long ago after the 2016 democratic vote to leave.
Maybe now those unelected twits in Brussels will take Boris a bit more seriously now and I for one hope so and still think it will be better for this country to leave with no deal as its not just the backstop that is the problem with May’s old deal, Boris will have them scratching there heads now and the Krought & Frog industrial companies are sure to have some input and apply pressure to there respective leaders as they need us and our market for sure, Buzzer.
Bewick:
I reckon Boris has really put the cat among the pigeons to-day as he has sent the Remoaners into [zb] orbit !! Well done Boris keep the ■■■■■■■■ on the hop !! Cheers Bewick.
No what we’ve actually seen is a big act to fool the Leave side.So why did HM and BoJo want to leave them with any time at all,in the so called ‘closure’ of parliament,from 3-11 September and 14-31 October.Also why even wait until 31 October why not just leave on the 4th September with parliament then unable to do a thing about it ?.Tories really are bleedin naive.
ramone:
Ive just seen 2 interviews 1 from Corbyn and 1 from Swinson both beefing about it not being democratic, roughly translated into weve used many dirty tricks to stop Brexit how very dare you return the compliment?
I absolutely concur gentlemen, I just hope the pathetic collection of EU enthusiast MP’s don’t find some devious way of trying to subvert there own viewpoint and somehow overturning this.
You mean like an emergency vote of no confidence by remainer Tory and DUP MP’s allied with SNP/LAB/LIbDems sometime between 3rd-11th September bringing down the ‘government’.
As for the remainers they laughably protest too much to the point of almost blowing remainer BoJo’s cover.
Another fascinating scenario is also developing. Miller and others are appealing firstly to a SCOTTISH Court to overthrow the prorogue of Parliament. Scotland has a different legal system to the rest of the UK so that leaves a challenge to its decision. Whatever the result of that or any other legal action it will end up with the Supreme Court to make a ruling.
SO, what if the Supreme Court rules in the Government’s favour?
Will the Remainers dare to take this to the European Court for a final ruling?
If we end up with the EU deciding what the UK Government can or cannot do regarding how the UK Government conducts its business then who knows how the population might react?
I’ve tried to listen to the very impartial (not) Nicky (should have stayed hosting game shows) Campbell who listened very carefully to Boris bashers but cut off in mid sentence the Boris supporters. Another BBC Leftie who loves the sound of his own voice. One woman who was a remainer spoke very sensibly about being a remainer which he liked but then she turned the tables and said the head of Britain had agreed to the suspension of parliment but that was too much for Nicky to take so he cut her off and continued with his own verbal ■■■■
cav551:
Another fascinating scenario is also developing. Miller and others are appealing firstly to a SCOTTISH Court to overthrow the prorogue of Parliament. Scotland has a different legal system to the rest of the UK so that leaves a challenge to its decision. Whatever the result of that or any other legal action it will end up with the Supreme Court to make a ruling.
SO, what if the Supreme Court rules in the Government’s favour?
Will the Remainers dare to take this to the European Court for a final ruling?
If we end up with the EU deciding what the UK Government can or cannot do regarding how the UK Government conducts its business then who knows how the population might react?
The EU has been deciding what the UK Government can or cannot do since 1973.We voted to leave in 2016 and the EU is still the ultimate decision maker regarding what it can and cannot do.Why are the remainers so bothered about BoJo’s big act of ‘closing down’ parliament when it’s clearly got nothing to do with pushing through Brexit and he’s made it clear that it’s business as usual.In the form of a warmed up version of May’s surrender treaty,you know the one he voted for previously,or whatever else the remainer dominated parliament decides it that feels like doing ranging from bringing down the government,to extending article 50 and reversing Brexit or even both.It’s all part of the same charade which we’ve seen since the referendum vote which Cameron didn’t rig sufficiently to get the answer he intended.
On a slightly different note we have been shifting the aftermath left over from the Leeds Festival. In fact i was queing behind one of Josh Punchards wagon and drags this morning to get in.On the last count we have shifted 20 artic loads of waste from the site , thats not including the 150 litter pickers who have been working since tuesday filling countless bin wagons The reason i’m mentioning this is that those luvvies who will no doubt been demonstrating in London to save the planet and causing chaos and misery to millions could well have been here too causing a disgusting mess.Brand new tents beer and coke cans food clothing plastic bags empty drug packets really shows they dont really give a toss
ramone:
On a slightly different note we have been shifting the aftermath left over from the Leeds Festival. In fact i was queing behind one of Josh Punchards wagon and drags this morning to get in.On the last count we have shifted 20 artic loads of waste from the site , thats not including the 150 litter pickers who have been working since tuesday filling countless bin wagons The reason i’m mentioning this is that those luvvies who will no doubt been demonstrating in London to save the planet and causing chaos and misery to millions could well have been here too causing a disgusting mess.Brand new tents beer and coke cans food clothing plastic bags empty drug packets really shows they dont really give a toss
Yes, the hypocrisy of these tossers is incredible, and the reason why I have no interest in anything they shout about, and it seems to me all normal working class people think the same.
ramone:
On a slightly different note we have been shifting the aftermath left over from the Leeds Festival. In fact i was queing behind one of Josh Punchards wagon and drags this morning to get in.On the last count we have shifted 20 artic loads of waste from the site , thats not including the 150 litter pickers who have been working since tuesday filling countless bin wagons The reason i’m mentioning this is that those luvvies who will no doubt been demonstrating in London to save the planet and causing chaos and misery to millions could well have been here too causing a disgusting mess.Brand new tents beer and coke cans food clothing plastic bags empty drug packets really shows they dont really give a toss
Yes, the hypocrisy of these tossers is incredible, and the reason why I have no interest in anything they shout about, and it seems to me all normal working class people think the same.
Exactly, the genuine working class are too busy, er working , to be involved in all this crap.
They’ve been making an arse of themselves again, with that pillock Owing Jeans and other assorted non entities leading the chants over so called loss of democracy…BWAHAHAHA…a sense of irony by-pass a must have for these people, what they’ve been about for the last 3 years being the ultimate betrayal of democracy doesn’t even enter what passes for their collective mind.
Juddian:
They’ve been making an arse of themselves again, with that pillock Owing Jeans and other assorted non entities leading the chants over so called loss of democracy…BWAHAHAHA…a sense of irony by-pass a must have for these people, what they’ve been about for the last 3 years being the ultimate betrayal of democracy doesn’t even enter what passes for their collective mind.
All made possible by Cameron,May and now BoJo all conveniently keeping them in the game and their Federal/Soviet European dreams alive.
As for their version of ‘democracy’ a combination of laughable gerrymandering across Europe’s previous National borders in the form of EU QMV as a rubber stamping exercise to pass the directives of the Politburo.We shouldn’t be surprised by them now trying to circumvent a referendum result,which they were never meant to lose,based on Stalinist style vote counting principles as part of that,but which somehow they did.
whisperingsmith: > fodenway: > I’d like to know how you arrive at the conclusion that the majority of Brexit supporters are not that well travelled, does your source also provide comparative figures for remain voters? > > The same thought crossed my mind, I’m a Brexit supporter and am well travelled though only throughout Europe admittedly and enjoyed all the countries and peoples. It’s just the EU I don’t like. [/quote] [/quote] Not being “picky” here mate but lets all refer to the EU as an organisation operating within countries. “It is not a country”, although I think it would like to be. Harvey
whisperingsmith: > fodenway: > I’d like to know how you arrive at the conclusion that the majority of Brexit supporters are not that well travelled, does your source also provide comparative figures for remain voters? > > The same thought crossed my mind, I’m a Brexit supporter and am well travelled though only throughout Europe admittedly and enjoyed all the countries and peoples. It’s just the EU I don’t like. [/quote] [/quote] Not being “picky” here mate but lets all refer to the EU as an organisation operating within countries. “It is not a country”, although I think it would like to be. Harvey [/quote] Yes an organisation that is going way too far , the EEC was formed basically for trade agreements not telling its members how to run their countries
ramone:
Yes an organisation that is going way too far , the EEC was formed basically for trade agreements not telling its members how to run their countries
Unfortunately what the EEC has become, was planned from the very start and designed to be a slow takeover so the people would accept it all, and all those who wangled their countries into it were fully aware at the time of entry.
ie in our case Ted Heath and his disciples, the one former EU fan who finally twigged what was happening and raised objections was one Lady Thatcher and they backstabbed her to get rid, the rest of our leaders since Heath have all been onside with the EU, indeed some opposition leaders have made nice lucrative careers out the scam…Johnson we’ll know where he really stands on 31st Oct, either we’ll be out and free, or he’s yet another quisling making all the right noises whilst betraying us.
ramone:
Yes an organisation that is going way too far , the EEC was formed basically for trade agreements not telling its members how to run their countries
Unfortunately what the EEC has become, was planned from the very start and designed to be a slow takeover so the people would accept it all, and all those who wangled their countries into it were fully aware at the time of entry.
It all started with Altiero Spinelli’s and Jean Monnet’s dream of a USE/EUSSR which numerous politicians,including Churchill,then took up and ran with.
Combine that with the fact that a Confederal Europe,made up of consenting sovereign nation states,would be an anathema and therefore unacceptable to US Federalism.Together with a Head of State who is a product of the same establishment which created German Federalism.An ideologically Federalist rabble in the form of the Conservative ‘Unionist’ Party.It was inevitable that we’d end up with Heath doing the deed and hiding FCO 30/1048 as part of that and the Head of State rubber stamping it ( no way that even Heath would have hid it from her or that she couldn’t have known about FCO 30/1048 ).
As for Thatcher no she was just another Tory Federalist who just pretended not to be when the evidence became too much for her to go on trying to justify and hide in the case of the EU.As for the real deal politicians the relevant names to set in stone are Powell,Benn,Heffer and Shore not Thatcher.Just as today it was Hoey and Batten and,just as in those previous cases,both have been deliberately kept well away from power by the rotten quisling establishment.In large part to appease US Federalism and to stop the Queen’s implication,in a conspiracy to hand the country over to a foreign power,in expecting her now to reverse the assent,which she gave to the European Communities Act,on any grounds of sovereignty.So the choice of BRINO or Remain it has to be.
ramone:
Yes an organisation that is going way too far , the EEC was formed basically for trade agreements not telling its members how to run their countries
Unfortunately what the EEC has become, was planned from the very start and designed to be a slow takeover so the people would accept it all, and all those who wangled their countries into it were fully aware at the time of entry.
It all started with Altiero Spinelli’s and Jean Monnet’s dream of a USE/EUSSR which numerous politicians,including Churchill,then took up and ran with.
Combine that with the fact that a Confederal Europe,made up of consenting sovereign nation states,would be an anathema and therefore unacceptable to US Federalism.Together with a Head of State who is a product of the same establishment which created German Federalism.An ideologically Federalist rabble in the form of the Conservative ‘Unionist’ Party.It was inevitable that we’d end up with Heath doing the deed and hiding FCO 30/1048 as part of that and the Head of State rubber stamping it ( no way that even Heath would have hid it from her or that she couldn’t have known about FCO 30/1048 ).
As for Thatcher no she was just another Tory Federalist who just pretended not to be when the evidence became too much for her to go on trying to justify and hide in the case of the EU.As for the real deal politicians the relevant names to set in stone are Powell,Benn,Heffer and Shore not Thatcher.Just as today it was Hoey and Batten and,just as in those previous cases,both have been deliberately kept well away from power by the rotten quisling establishment.In large part to appease US Federalism and to stop the Queen’s implication,in a conspiracy to hand the country over to a foreign power,in expecting her now to reverse the assent,which she gave to the European Communities Act,on any grounds of sovereignty.So the choice of BRINO or Remain it has to be.
> Carryfast: > Unfortunately what the EEC has become, was planned from the very start and designed to be a slow takeover so the people would accept it all, and all those who wangled their countries into it were fully aware at the time of entry. > > It all started with Altiero Spinelli’s and Jean Monnet’s dream of a USE/EUSSR which numerous politicians,including Churchill,then took up and ran with. > > Combine that with the fact that a Confederal Europe,made up of consenting sovereign nation states,would be an anathema and therefore unacceptable to US Federalism.Together with a Head of State who is a product of the same establishment which created German Federalism.An ideologically Federalist rabble in the form of the Conservative ‘Unionist’ Party.It was inevitable that we’d end up with Heath doing the deed and hiding FCO 30/1048 as part of that and the Head of State rubber stamping it ( no way that even Heath would have hid it from her or that she couldn’t have known about FCO 30/1048 ). > > As for Thatcher no she was just another Tory Federalist who just pretended not to be when the evidence became too much for her to go on trying to justify and hide in the case of the EU.As for the real deal politicians the relevant names to set in stone are Powell,Benn,Heffer and Shore not Thatcher.Just as today it was Hoey and Batten and,just as in those previous cases,both have been deliberately kept well away from power by the rotten quisling establishment.In large part to appease US Federalism and to stop the Queen’s implication,in a conspiracy to hand the country over to a foreign power,in expecting her now to reverse the assent,which she gave to the European Communities Act,on any grounds of sovereignty.So the choice of BRINO or Remain it has to be. > OH !!! c[/i] Continuing CFs Thoughts: The European Community (EC) and the United States have contrasting approaches to the place of member state liability to private parties as a remedy for the violation of the law of the union. The EC recognizes a general doctrine of member state liability in damages for violations of EC law, while American states generally possess sovereign immunity from private damage claims for violations of federal law. This contrast is paradoxical, as one would expect the U.S., a better established and more powerful federal polity, to have fewer concerns about the imposition of state liability than the less powerful and more fragile EC. A cluster of differences between the EC and the U.S. helps to account for this paradox. These differences include the factual circumstances of their respective seminal cases; the historical settings in which they arose; civil law systems’ greater hospitality to governmental liability as compared to common law systems; stronger political control over judicial appointments in the U.S.; and EC member states’ stronger safeguards against unwelcome federal legislation. Collectively, these differences help to explain why state liability was deemed more important to the center and less threatening to the member states in the European Community than in the U.S. Despite the many complexities involved in properly characterizing the European Community (EC) or the European Union (EU),1 both it and the United States may be called “federal” systems in a broad sense of that term.2 Both are multidimensional polities that recognize different levels of governance, each with the acknowledged power to regulate within a sphere of competence. In both, union law takes priority over member state law (supremacy),3 can be enforced in court against member states by private parties (direct effect), and thus obliges the courts of member states to treat the law of the union differently from conventional international agreements.4 > Carryfast: > On that note why isn’t two drivers,working a 3 day 36 hour week,considered ‘value for money’ when it costs the employer no more than employing one ?. Roping & Sheeting makes more sense (or did before CF got involved)
, to be involved in all this crap.
The European Community (EC) and the United States have contrasting approaches to the place of member state liability to private parties as a remedy for the violation of the law of the union. The EC recognizes a general doctrine of member state liability in damages for violations of EC law, while American states generally possess sovereign immunity from private damage claims for violations of federal law. This contrast is paradoxical, as one would expect the U.S., a better established and more powerful federal polity, to have fewer concerns about the imposition of state liability than the less powerful and more fragile EC.