I believe that CMD may have probably held his last Prime Ministers Questions this week as he will be “out” on the 24th with a bit of luck and sensible voting ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
I believe that CMD may have probably held his last Prime Ministers Questions this week as he will be “out” on the 24th with a bit of luck and sensible voting ! Cheers Bewick.
He needed to be kicked out before the referendum not after it.I think that not removing him and Osborne and sorting out the bankers well before the referendum date will prove to be a catastrophic mistake for the out campaign.
That’s even assuming the bankers could be sorted out.As it stands an out vote means the catch 22 that we’ll be made to pay for the resulting effects in the German economy.The funds having already been transferred ( nicked ).
Iam voting out ,but only just .
Carryfast:
Bewick:
I believe that CMD may have probably held his last Prime Ministers Questions this week as he will be “out” on the 24th with a bit of luck and sensible voting ! Cheers Bewick.He needed to be kicked out before the referendum not after it.I think that not removing him and Osborne and sorting out the bankers well before the referendum date will prove to be a catastrophic mistake for the out campaign.
That’s even assuming the bankers could be sorted out.As it stands an out vote means the catch 22 that we’ll be made to pay for the resulting effects in the German economy.The funds having already been transferred ( nicked ).
What time is Nursie coming around to administer your medication “CF” ? Look, if it wasn’t for CMD “bottling it” in the face of the UKIP onslaught at the last election we wouldn’t have been having this referendum ,fair enough CMD would not have called for one if he’d thought he could have won the election comfortable ,but he didn’t so that is why we are having the referendum Oh! by the way have you got an “OUT” placard in your cell window, sorry secure suite window ? I sincerely hope you have me old Mucker !! Cheers Bewick.
Punchy Dan:
Iam voting out ,but only just .
So that will be just a very small “X” in the box then ?
Punchy Dan:
Iam voting out ,but only just .
I’m voting out.But past caring on the basis that I think there’s more chance of smashing the EU by letting it carry on to its end game than pulling off the almost mission impossible of beating the disgusting unpatriotic Federal agenda in this country.
Bewick:
if it wasn’t for CMD “bottling it” in the face of the UKIP onslaught at the last election we wouldn’t have been having this referendum ,fair enough CMD would not have called for one if he’d thought he could have won the election comfortable ,but he didn’t so that is why we are having the referendum Oh! by the way have you got an “OUT” placard in your cell window, sorry secure suite window ? I sincerely hope you have me old Mucker !! Cheers Bewick.
More like if he really thought at the time that his own Eurosceptics didn’t have the bottle to chuck him out he wouldn’t have bothered with it.Realistically the bankers are running the show now in the form of real or false threats to screw the money supply,by giving it all to the Krauts,not the politicians just as in 1973 and 75. 
I wouldn’t be too sure Cameron will be out the door, i’d trust Slippery Dave and his mates about as far as i could throw them, and i include Boris and Gove in that, wouldn’t put it past that bunch of front benchers to have cooked up the whole nasty campaigns between them whilst quietly laughing up their Saville Row sleeves at the proletariat who ave swallowed the media frenzy it hook line and sinker.
I think everyone knew the GO lot, Farage Bone Hoey et al weren’t going to get the official designation, much better for a tory led yah boo from both sides.
If Cameron does get the boot and his chuckle monkey Osborne with him it will serve the pair right.
Cameron despite being sneaky untrustworthy and unprincipled could have clawed back some respect had he acted like a true statesman, when the referendum was launched he should have made a public statement along the lines of ‘‘my advice for whats its worth is that we should stay in for reasons of blah blah blah, but i give the choice to the people to make and i will abide and stand by their decision’’…and then stood back aloof of the frankly ludicrous goings on we’ve seen and heard.
As it is he got drawn in to ever more incredulous threats and blackmail, aided and abetted by probably the worse chancellor we’ve seen in living memory.
The pair of them are now pariahs, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they are still in their present jobs when we go into the next general election in 2020, with Britain still under the jackboot of the EU and with a national debt approaching £2 trillion.
Juddian:
I wouldn’t be too sure Cameron will be out the door, i’d trust Slippery Dave and his mates about as far as i could throw them, and i include Boris and Gove in that, wouldn’t put it past that bunch of front benchers to have cooked up the whole nasty campaigns between them whilst quietly laughing up their Saville Row sleeves at the proletariat who ave swallowed the media frenzy it hook line and sinker.
I think everyone knew the GO lot, Farage Bone Hoey et al weren’t going to get the official designation, much better for a tory led yah boo from both sides.If Cameron does get the boot and his chuckle monkey Osborne with him it will serve the pair right.
Cameron despite being sneaky untrustworthy and unprincipled could have clawed back some respect had he acted like a true statesman, when the referendum was launched he should have made a public statement along the lines of ‘‘my advice for whats its worth is that we should stay in for reasons of blah blah blah, but i give the choice to the people to make and i will abide and stand by their decision’’…and then stood back aloof of the frankly ludicrous goings on we’ve seen and heard.
As it is he got drawn in to ever more incredulous threats and blackmail, aided and abetted by probably the worse chancellor we’ve seen in living memory.
The pair of them are now pariahs, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they are still in their present jobs when we go into the next general election in 2020, with Britain still under the jackboot of the EU and with a national debt approaching £2 trillion.
There is one thing for sure if we lose Brexit the EU will not last until 2020 it will go ■■■■ up for sure before then with a bigger mess than if we get out now, that’s my prediction any way just cannot see it lasting when you look at the mechanics of how its run, if we don’t do it the friction in the other member states will start to tell, weather any of them will have the balls to exit we will have to wait and see but if the Frogs get at it they will succeed as at least they all stick together and they are definitely not happy the way it is at the moment, Buzzer.
Just had an amazing brainwave but its not going to happen, what if Merkel and the other top bods in the EU made this a IN /OUT vote for all member states, what do you all think would happen then ? Buzzer the very OUT voter.
out
Buzzer:
Juddian:
I wouldn’t be too sure Cameron will be out the door, i’d trust Slippery Dave and his mates about as far as i could throw them, and i include Boris and Gove in that, wouldn’t put it past that bunch of front benchers to have cooked up the whole nasty campaigns between them whilst quietly laughing up their Saville Row sleeves at the proletariat who ave swallowed the media frenzy it hook line and sinker.
I think everyone knew the GO lot, Farage Bone Hoey et al weren’t going to get the official designation, much better for a tory led yah boo from both sides.If Cameron does get the boot and his chuckle monkey Osborne with him it will serve the pair right.
Cameron despite being sneaky untrustworthy and unprincipled could have clawed back some respect had he acted like a true statesman, when the referendum was launched he should have made a public statement along the lines of ‘‘my advice for whats its worth is that we should stay in for reasons of blah blah blah, but i give the choice to the people to make and i will abide and stand by their decision’’…and then stood back aloof of the frankly ludicrous goings on we’ve seen and heard.
As it is he got drawn in to ever more incredulous threats and blackmail, aided and abetted by probably the worse chancellor we’ve seen in living memory.
The pair of them are now pariahs, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they are still in their present jobs when we go into the next general election in 2020, with Britain still under the jackboot of the EU and with a national debt approaching £2 trillion.There is one thing for sure if we lose Brexit the EU will not last until 2020 it will go ■■■■ up for sure before then with a bigger mess than if we get out now, that’s my prediction any way just cannot see it lasting when you look at the mechanics of how its run, if we don’t do it the friction in the other member states will start to tell, weather any of them will have the balls to exit we will have to wait and see but if the Frogs get at it they will succeed as at least they all stick together and they are definitely not happy the way it is at the moment, Buzzer.
The problem is that we’ve allowed the situation to develop whereby the banking system is no longer relevant to the idea of the nation state.With no national control over the nation’s finances the idea of sovereignty is as much of an illusion as the name of the Bank of so called ‘England’.When in fact it’s just a puppet branch of the European and/or global finance system in which money is moved around or printed to suit whatever Federal/Global agenda pays the best.In this case they’ve bet on Germany and there’s no way that they are ever going to let us get ahead of the German economy.Sadly it seems that people like Farage etc seem to have missed that bit by concentrating on national government political sovereignty when sovereignty over our financial system has already long been lost.IE at best they can only get back control over who sits where in the house and when but not over who controls the household budget. In which case any secessionist move within the EU can easily be put down by the banks as opposed to old fashioned Federal force.On that note god help future generations.
I would have thought no one would post on this thread today in line with the referendum campaigners not campaigning to show respect for the MP killed yesterday. Clearly not but then she was from the IN’s and not the OUT’s!
Frankydobo:
I would have thought no one would post on this thread today in line with the referendum campaigners not campaigning to show respect for the MP killed yesterday. Clearly not but then she was from the IN’s and not the OUT’s!
All a bit strange when her murder had nothing to do with the EU referendum or this topic.
definitely OUT!!!
seen loads of ‘Leave’ posters and billboards around the countryside 
and only 1 ‘remain’
Interestingly the farmers, who we were told would want to remain in order to protect their subsidies, seem happy to put leave posters on their land.
I went down to the tunnel and back last weekend and I was surprised by the number of posters that have appeared. I think the leave vote will be bigger than we expect. I hope so anyway.
David
The current
background polling is 70per cent leave BUT don’t get complacent.
Everyone must vote on this.
Jazzandy:
The current
background polling is 70per cent leave BUT don’t get complacent.Everyone must vote on this.
+1
On that note ‘if’ we win out don’t be under any illusions as to the fight we’ll then be in with the bankers.Who’ve made their intentions clear on where they stand on the issue of nation v federation.
David Miller:
Interestingly the farmers, who we were told would want to remain in order to protect their subsidies, seem happy to put leave posters on their land.
I went down to the tunnel and back last weekend and I was surprised by the number of posters that have appeared. I think the leave vote will be bigger than we expect. I hope so anyway.David
I too am surprised at how some farmers seem against the EU. Not only because of subsidies, but also some seem in favour of more trade with the US trade block? Id have thought Buzzer and others would have been against some of the US practices concerning animal husbandry. slaughterhouse hygiene, and GM big business? If Ive got the wrong end the stick Im sure Buzzer will correct me. Maybe too the "out" are more vociferous then "in"s? Similar to Scottish independence, when it seemed the "out"s shouted more, and got more publicity, but the quieter "in"s just got on with it. Oh, I dont mean the “out” politicos are quiet, (I wish all sides politicians were a bit quieter) but maybe the “out” rank & file are.
Franglais it is my opinion that no farmer in this country should get any subsidies as I feel this is wrong, nor any one else for that matter, ask yourself does Joe Blogs the builder get any hand outs just because he is having a hard time no is the answer, likewise the haulage industry and plenty of other businessmen. If you can’t make a go of it under your own steam get OUT, which is what we all should vote for in this upcoming referendum.
These subsidies are driven by the other EU states like Greece getting Millions of Euro’s to plant frigging olive tree’s, I just cant understand why the better off members have to drag these poor member states into todays world. Giving out these payments to farmers is the same as handing out millions to the long term unemployed of this country, it has become an endemic practice which needs to be changed.
With the farmers it is a case that the public would have to pay a realistic price for the food they eat, look at milk for instance it is cheaper in a supermarket than a bottle of water how the hell can that be right ? they are to blame for this practice they have far too much buying power over the producer, also if we came OUT we could impose huge taxes on food imports then these giant supermarkets would have to buy here in the UK at a reasonable price and then the farmers would not need any form of subsidies they would make profit for themselves. they have effectively pushed out of business all the little local shops who got there produce from fruit markets and local growers, all made a sensible margin and every one was happy. People in todays world can get every thing they need from one shop very convenient its is too but is the ruination of rural trade.
Get rid of all these payments another part of the corrupt European machine and we will all be better off, Buzzer.