Buzzer,good morning to you.
I can see the idea of doing away with subsidies is good. But dont forget the USA subsidises its farmers. Dont we in the UK need to do the same? just to keep up? Can our farmers really compete against GM products, and meat pumped up with hormones and drugs as the US allows? Im sure youre no advocate of the way their farmers and companies (Monsanto etc) operate? A free market is a good ideal but I cant see it happening in the world as it exists. And putting taxes on food imports may be good in theory but would be political suicide for any politician. Who would vote for bigger shopping bills? Seems to me also that any taxes we put up would be met with retaliatory taxes against our exports. Some say the world needs our trade and exports, but Im afraid thats not as true as it once was, and I dont think, wed win in any trade war today.
Hi, a little true story. My son ,a time served chippy was put off in the Vestion closure. He applied for a job in the north east of London ,This was around 2005/6, and was asked if he could work with Polish men ,which he replied in the affirmative. He was then offered a job, 6am to 6 pm and the wage cash in hand was £50 per day. When asked about tax and insurance the manager shrugged and said “that’s up to you” he declined and went to the US where he is now a site manager on good money. That’s why i’m for OUT.
Cartageman when I used to do weddings with my horses we did an Indian one in Southampton, they always want more for less as it seems to be in there constitution, anyways these are always long drawn out affairs and it was a very hot day, we were however offered refreshment by these persons but what I am coming too is they are very inquisitive and asked how much the horses, how much the carriage so I asked one what do you do he replied house renovation in London, he owned over 60 houses and told me about labour supply to do the work, Poles who just shoveled were wanting £600 per week and you had to let them go to sign for job seekers allowance as well, he also said if they had any skill about them ie chippy, lecky or bricklayer they wanted a grand in the hand and he also told me if you don’t pay it the next man will so the black market labour is well alive in the big city and that was seven years ago, Buzzer.
Without any shadow of a doubt it’s out for me.
If I set Britain’s future sovereignty against a temporary blip in my pension, I couldn’t live with myself for being so selfish.
We must leave before the whole rotten farago collapses which would put us in an even worse state having to finance the rescue.
There’s an interesting debate on the link between cabotage and the referendum over on the UK Driver’s forum. Here’s the link:
Robert
Franglais:
Buzzer,good morning to you.
I can see the idea of doing away with subsidies is good. But dont forget the USA subsidises its farmers. Dont we in the UK need to do the same? just to keep up? Can our farmers really compete against GM products, and meat pumped up with hormones and drugs as the US allows? Im sure youre no advocate of the way their farmers and companies (Monsanto etc) operate? A free market is a good ideal but I cant see it happening in the world as it exists. And putting taxes on food imports may be good in theory but would be political suicide for any politician. Who would vote for bigger shopping bills? Seems to me also that any taxes we put up would be met with retaliatory taxes against our exports. Some say the world needs our trade and exports, but Im afraid thats not as true as it once was, and I dont think, wed win in any trade war today.
Don’t worry mate, we’ll be alright, were Great Britain
ERF MAN:
Franglais:
Buzzer,good morning to you.
I can see the idea of doing away with subsidies is good. But dont forget the USA subsidises its farmers. Dont we in the UK need to do the same? just to keep up? Can our farmers really compete against GM products, and meat pumped up with hormones and drugs as the US allows? Im sure youre no advocate of the way their farmers and companies (Monsanto etc) operate? A free market is a good ideal but I cant see it happening in the world as it exists. And putting taxes on food imports may be good in theory but would be political suicide for any politician. Who would vote for bigger shopping bills? Seems to me also that any taxes we put up would be met with retaliatory taxes against our exports. Some say the world needs our trade and exports, but Im afraid thats not as true as it once was, and I dont think, wed win in any trade war today.Don’t worry mate, we’ll be alright, were Great Britain
In about 2000 ERF Sandbach, shortly after winning a contract for the production of military vehicles from the British government, ERF Sandbach, was taken over by MAN AG, and promptly with the help of EU fiancé was moved clutching it’s newly won contract to production in Germany, this EU is so good to us Brits…
Ossie
It’s a great pity that this tragedy of the MP being murdered by that ■■■■■■■ “nut case” has thrown a dark cloud over the Referendum campaign and unfortunately the incident may have swung some additional votes towards the Remain side, I hope not but it appears it may have done. Oh! and I don’t know why the Remain gang and the PC brigade are getting their knickers in a twist over Nigels poster of that stream of economic migrants tramping into Europe,he is spot on as far as I’m concerned! We’ve just had a female neighbour return for a couple of weeks visiting a relative in Hanover and she has come back totally shocked ! the whole city was crawling with immigrants, and all the women apart form the very young or old are “in the club” ! We had a Lib Dem pamphlet poster on our estate to-day and our Neighbour collared the ■■■■ and gave him a right ■■■■■■■ bollocking and told him to shove his pamphlet where the “sun don’t shine” 
Bewick.
OUT
camron says we need the eu for trade!!! what is it we trade ■■?
coz the country owns nothing and we only make what the eu lets us make.
our trucks leaving dover are few compared to other eu reg’s.
other countries have benifited from our demise for far to long the referendum
has come to late for most but with a bit of luck we can get that made in britain logo
back on our exports soon
Bewick:
It’s a great pity that this tragedy of the MP being murdered by that [zb] “nut case” has thrown a dark cloud over the Referendum campaign and unfortunately the incident may have swung some additional votes towards the Remain side, I hope not but it appears it may have done. Oh! and I don’t know why the Remain gang and the PC brigade are getting their knickers in a twist over Nigels poster of that stream of economic migrants tramping into Europe,he is spot on as far as I’m concerned! We’ve just had a female neighbour return for a couple of weeks visiting a relative in Hanover and she has come back totally shocked ! the whole city was crawling with immigrants, and all the women apart form the very young or old are “in the club” ! We had a Lib Dem pamphlet poster on our estate to-day and our Neighbour collared the [zb] and gave him a right [zb] bollocking and told him to shove his pamphlet where the “sun don’t shine”
I think the two sides of the vote are well entrenched before that point Bewick and personally going by 1975 I don’t think we ever stood a chance.IE it was already lost back then with a miracle needed to get it all back from that point. 
Anything better now is just a bonus. 
As for Germany as usual a bunch of idiots lurching from one extreme to another.This time it’s Merkel wrecking the place and us probably next when Cameron and Corbyn have delivered the country on a plate to her and Juncker.The question then being is the place worth saving and let the younger generations sort it out among themselves.
There needs to be a discerning and intelligent approach to the immigration issue. Guard against being hoist by your own petard. Here is a classic own-goal scenario:
msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/an … spartandhp
Fight the battles that are worth fighting, and keep your gun powder dry, gents 
. Robert
I’ve got no problem with languages it’s just numbers and demographics and the fact that forced integration,as opposed to respect of different cultures and the idea of each to their own,is a type of racism itself. 
Good old fashioned Queens English here at least it often was in 1960’s/70’s Saf Lundern but not Surrey.
Remember all it’s VE day tomorrow VOTE EXIT, no excuses just go and vote out, CMD states we will lose thousands of jobs if we exit the EU but I do not understand that statement as we are in the EU at the moment so why are these jobs not here now ? WE NEED THIS CHANGE NOW.
Sorry double post suffering from premature ■■■■■■■■■■■ in anticipation.
So my question is this, does the UK implode immedietly after the (hopefully) leave win or would it be after the 2 yr EU wind down?
Reef:
So my question is this, does the UK implode immedietly after the (hopefully) leave win or would it be after the 2 yr EU wind down?
Ideally it will implode after a possible Scottish and Northern Irish vote being the difference which keeps us in.Then all the remainers can zb off to Scotland and Northern Ireland just as they hopefully will if by some miracle it’s an out vote.
Listening to all the scare mongering of the remain crew on tv last night saying our manufacturing industry would suffer made me think back to the early 70s when we had a manufacturing industry. Most of it is either foreign owned or bought by foreign companies then closed down , I wonder how many of the companies in the UK that are owned by EU member countries are prepared to close down their businesses over here just because we decided to leave . Money talks loudest , and guess who popped her head up on a debate last night , none other than good old Glynis Kinnock obviously supporting the remain campaign and so it happens is married to Euro MP (aka gravy train) Neil Kinnock . It was mentioned that our PM is on £100000 per annum and there are 10000 beaurocrats on more than double his income.Its jobs for the boys or a nice secure pension . OUT OUT OUT
They are saying that if we leave the EU it will take four years to unwind us from there grip, why ? any ways don’t think that will happen as if we come OUT just watch the rest collapse in a big mess it will be far worse than the bank crash of 2008 that is for sure but at least the gravy train will hit the buffers in a siding which we will call, well you lot think of a name just cant wait to get my vote in tomorrow Buzzer.
ramone:
Listening to all the scare mongering of the remain crew on tv last night saying our manufacturing industry would suffer made me think back to the early70s when we had a manufacturing industry. Most of it is either foreign owned or bought by foreign companies then closed down , I wonder how many of the companies in the UK that are owned by EU member countries are prepared to close down their businesses over here just because we decided to leave . Money talks loudest , and guess who popped her head up on a debate last night , none other than good old Glynis Kinnock obviously supporting the remain campaign and so it happens is married to Euro MP (aka gravy train) Neil Kinnock . It was mentioned that our PM is on £100000 per annum and there are 10000 beaurocrats on more than double his income.Its jobs for the boys or a nice secure pension . OUT OUT OUT
They won’t allow inconvenient facts like the trade deficit and net contribution figure to stand in their way.