There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…
Bewick:
Carryfast:
If they aren’t burning wood/board/plastics/recyclables then what is left to burn ?.Leatherhead !
You might be interested to know that these Tory Party retards are now going to bury their own heartlands for miles around under loads of housing estates to move Londoners into.Which is actually even worse. 
In which case your area was on the list for for those like me to do a runner to.But the stinking weather means that stopping somewhere like Herefordshire is probably way far Norf enough.
bigstraight6:
There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…
When any real deal politician worth his salt would have said that any attempt by the EU to impose a border in its own right between Eire and UK would be seen as contravening the CTA and international law because the EU ( as yet ) ain’t a recognised or even declared country with any corresponding rights to claim any national border.IE an act of war.
BoJo is just another Tory ■■■■■■ like May and all those before her.
bigstraight6:
There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…
Nicely cornered?
Yep. The floor around our corner is all wet and shiny. Good paint job Boris…
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We could lock ourselves up in a wee dark corner cupboard, and tell ourselves how unlucky those silly euros are, not to be banged up in a corner like us? Look at those fools! All running around outside in the sunshine.
Franglais:
bigstraight6:
There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…Nicely cornered?
Yep. The floor around our corner is all wet and shiny. Good paint job Boris…
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We could lock ourselves up in a wee dark corner cupboard, and tell ourselves how unlucky those silly euros are, not to be banged up in a corner like us? Look at those fools! All running around outside in the sunshine.
Yeah right our only way out to the outside world is through zb France or Eire.It’s obvious that the EU doesn’t want to make this an amicable secession so zb em let’s make it a war at whatever level if that’s what these thieving vindictive scum want.Maybe Nelson was right in that regard. 
Carryfast:
bigstraight6:
There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…When any real deal politician worth his salt would have said that any attempt by the EU to impose a border in its own right between Eire and UK would be seen as contravening the CTA and international law because the EU ( as yet ) ain’t a recognised or even declared country with any corresponding rights to claim any national border.IE an act of war.
BoJo is just another Tory ■■■■■■ like May and all those before her.
At Basel/St Louis there are no EU customs officers. There are Swiss, or French ones.
On any Eire/N.I. border there could be Irish or UK customs officers, no need for any EU force you imagine.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
ramone:
Not sure whats going on here, they dont burn landfill waste in the burners they burn RDF which is the filtered residue after sorting. There is a process where wood plastic metal and other recycables are removed , there are things not suitable for the burner , mattresses and tyres to name two and the RDF must meet certain industry standards. We were/are exporting waste at a cheaper price to Sweden , Norway , Germany and Holland than landfilling it. Our local landfill closed last year but the cost to tip there was £97 per ton £86 of that went to the inland revenue the cost to export was averaging around £80 a ton includling transport. There are burners being built at a rate now the penny has droppedIf they aren’t burning wood/board/plastics/recyclables then what is left to burn ?.
Leatherhead !
The point was that we were exporting waste to europe at a cost albeit cheaper than heavily taxed landfill here for them to produce energy , why didn’t we do it here earlier. We are now doing the same but should have been doing it years ago.
As for what we burn google RDF it will tell you all about it. Then google SRF that’s where the money is because you sell that
.The burners are very expensive to build and are highly regulated in a polution sense
ramone:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
ramone:
Not sure whats going on here, they dont burn landfill waste in the burners they burn RDF which is the filtered residue after sorting. There is a process where wood plastic metal and other recycables are removed , there are things not suitable for the burner , mattresses and tyres to name two and the RDF must meet certain industry standards. We were/are exporting waste at a cheaper price to Sweden , Norway , Germany and Holland than landfilling it. Our local landfill closed last year but the cost to tip there was £97 per ton £86 of that went to the inland revenue the cost to export was averaging around £80 a ton includling transport. There are burners being built at a rate now the penny has droppedIf they aren’t burning wood/board/plastics/recyclables then what is left to burn ?.
Leatherhead !
The point was that we were exporting waste to europe at a cost albeit cheaper than heavily taxed landfill here for them to produce energy , why didn’t we do it here earlier. We are now doing the same but should have been doing it years ago.
As for what we burn google RDF it will tell you all about it. Then google SRF that’s where the money is because you sell that
.The burners are very expensive to build and are highly regulated in a polution sense
The Raikes Lane Bolton Energy Recovery Facility has an 8 Mw turbo alternator that produces electricity for the grid by burning household waste. If Bolton hasn’t enough suitable waste to burn then Salford sends its refuse trucks there to tip. With the forced closure of all our coal fired power stations surely one or two of them could have been adapted to burn household waste. They have all the necessary flue gas emission controls, and many of the turbines have years of life left in them, most of them were upgraded in the early 2000s. Did the government and energy companies investigate if it was feasible? Probably not because of vested interests.
Carryfast:
bigstraight6:
There certainly seems to have been a line drawn in the sand today with the letter Boris sent to the EU stating that the Irish backstop has to go or no deal is inevitable and that the British government will not be putting up a hard boarder if this happens. And all that Tusk could reply with is anyone not in favour of the backstop (read trap) is in favour of a hard boarder.
Now Boris needs to reiterate the fact we will never install a hard boarder and that would be down to the EU, nicely cornered…When any real deal politician worth his salt would have said that any attempt by the EU to impose a border in its own right between Eire and UK would be seen as contravening the CTA and international law because the EU ( as yet ) ain’t a recognised or even declared country with any corresponding rights to claim any national border.IE an act of war.
BoJo is just another Tory ■■■■■■ like May and all those before her.
I’m not so sure Carryfast, Merkel was squirming yesterday and didn’t even answer a direct question as if the EU would impose a hard boarder in Ireland in the event of no deal, and today Napoleon sounded slightly more conciliatory. This is what negotiation is all about.
Personally I think Boris wasted his time going to Paris today other than having a free feast of frogs legs, Macron is typical of the French attitude which is there way and pay or no way at all, he will squirm too if we leave with no deal as he will have the French fishermen to deal with and they will cause more congestion at the ports than is already anticipated with customs checking, bin there seen it the Frogs don’t like being told especially if its not what they want to here.
Same goes for Southern Ireland with the ■■■■■■■■ they have as a leader, only 25% like the way Varadkar is handling things at the moment and he will get a sharp wakeup call if I am not mistaken pretty soon to boot.
Unless there is flexibility from the EU cant see a deal being struck, its not just the removal of the backstop that is holding this up as there are a lot more implications involved with the rest of Mays failed deal, we are far better to come out with no deal and we are 39 billion in the kitty better off which sounds right to me, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Personally I think Boris wasted his time going to Paris today other than having a free feast of frogs legs, Macron is typical of the French attitude which is there way and pay or no way at all, he will squirm too if we leave with no deal as he will have the French fishermen to deal with and they will cause more congestion at the ports than is already anticipated with customs checking, bin there seen it the Frogs don’t like being told especially if its not what they want to here.
Same goes for Southern Ireland with the [zb] they have as a leader, only 25% like the way Varadkar is handling things at the moment and he will get a sharp wakeup call if I am not mistaken pretty soon to boot.
Unless there is flexibility from the EU cant see a deal being struck, its not just the removal of the backstop that is holding this up as there are a lot more implications involved with the rest of Mays failed deal, we are far better to come out with no deal and we are 39 billion in the kitty better off which sounds right to me, Buzzer.
You’re probably correct that Johnson was wasting his time talking to Macron. Equally Macron was wasting his time.
The deal is there. Neither side will give enough to make it acceptable to the other, so talking without being prepared to move is a waste of time.
Obviously Johnson will say “they must move, but I’m a tough guy and won’t budge”. Guess what? The EU is pretty much saying the same.
Those promises of “easiest negotiations in history” are ringing hollow.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Personally I think Boris wasted his time going to Paris today other than having a free feast of frogs legs, Macron is typical of the French attitude which is there way and pay or no way at all, he will squirm too if we leave with no deal as he will have the French fishermen to deal with and they will cause more congestion at the ports than is already anticipated with customs checking, bin there seen it the Frogs don’t like being told especially if its not what they want to here.
Same goes for Southern Ireland with the [zb] they have as a leader, only 25% like the way Varadkar is handling things at the moment and he will get a sharp wakeup call if I am not mistaken pretty soon to boot.
Unless there is flexibility from the EU cant see a deal being struck, its not just the removal of the backstop that is holding this up as there are a lot more implications involved with the rest of Mays failed deal, we are far better to come out with no deal and we are 39 billion in the kitty better off which sounds right to me, Buzzer.You’re probably correct that Johnson was wasting his time talking to Macron. Equally Macron was wasting his time.
The deal is there. Neither side will give enough to make it acceptable to the other, so talking without being prepared to move is a waste of time.
Obviously Johnson will say “they must move, but I’m a tough guy and won’t budge”. Guess what? The EU is pretty much saying the same.
Those promises of “easiest negotiations in history” are ringing hollow.
As far as the electorate that voted to leave the EU that was what it was plain and simple, when the vote was done in 2016 the deal as so called was not on that ballot paper as has been stated many times before on here it was just stay or leave, who decided we needed to have a deal ?
This whole Brexit has become a farce and destroyed democracy in this country and those responsible who are trying to derail the will of the majority should be exterminated, Buzzer.
Of course Boris was wasting his time speaking to that snivelling little toad, Macron is a French politician and French politicians and their establishment have always hated the English. If ‘The French’ can see a way of obstructing, embarrassing or manoeuvring events to get one up on the English then they will go hell for leather in that direction. After their deceitful machinations to bring about the withdrawal of Concorde and to prevent any possibility of its resurrection - albeit with evident collusion in some quarters of BA - it is easy to predict that the closure of all UK Airbus operations will be at the forefront of Macron’s stategy.
For anyone interested the real story takes off (pun intended) in February 2003 when Air France came so, so close to losing another Concorde attributable yet again to human error.
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Personally I think Boris wasted his time going to Paris today other than having a free feast of frogs legs, Macron is typical of the French attitude which is there way and pay or no way at all, he will squirm too if we leave with no deal as he will have the French fishermen to deal with and they will cause more congestion at the ports than is already anticipated with customs checking, bin there seen it the Frogs don’t like being told especially if its not what they want to here.
Same goes for Southern Ireland with the [zb] they have as a leader, only 25% like the way Varadkar is handling things at the moment and he will get a sharp wakeup call if I am not mistaken pretty soon to boot.
Unless there is flexibility from the EU cant see a deal being struck, its not just the removal of the backstop that is holding this up as there are a lot more implications involved with the rest of Mays failed deal, we are far better to come out with no deal and we are 39 billion in the kitty better off which sounds right to me, Buzzer.You’re probably correct that Johnson was wasting his time talking to Macron. Equally Macron was wasting his time.
The deal is there. Neither side will give enough to make it acceptable to the other, so talking without being prepared to move is a waste of time.
Obviously Johnson will say “they must move, but I’m a tough guy and won’t budge”. Guess what? The EU is pretty much saying the same.
Those promises of “easiest negotiations in history” are ringing hollow.As far as the electorate that voted to leave the EU that was what it was plain and simple, when the vote was done in 2016 the deal as so called was not on that ballot paper as has been stated many times before on here it was just stay or leave, who decided we needed to have a deal ?
This whole Brexit has become a farce and destroyed democracy in this country and those responsible who are trying to derail the will of the majority should be exterminated, Buzzer.
“Who decided we needed to have a deal”?
Well, before the vote just about all the Brexiteers were talking about how good a deal we would cut.
Farage, Davies, Johnson, Gove etc. were all talking about how good and easy it would be to negotiate.
Show us where, with this background any of them spoke of “No Deal”?
When was a WTO exit first spoken of?
After months of difficult negotiations they started ‘rewriting’ history. Farage claims he spoke of “no deal is better than a bad deal” before the vote, but it seems the www is suffering amnesia.
cav551:
After their deceitful machinations to bring about the withdrawal of Concorde and to prevent any possibility of its resurrection - albeit with evident collusion in some quarters of BA - it is easy to predict that the closure of all UK Airbus operations will be at the forefront of Macron’s stategy.
To be fair going by the timing of Concorde’s withdrawal and other CAA policies regarding fast 60’s military aircraft like Lightning and Phantom in civilian hands my guess is it was a combination of the paranoid fear that they could get into the wrong hands.Such as by hijack if Concorde had been kept flying.
Or just couldn’t be maintained in all cases bearing in mind the lack of product support regarding very complex highly strung out of production aircraft v engine and airframe life certification.
While realistically whether 911 was true,or a conspiracy and having to keep the story line on track,there’s no way that they were ever going to allow something with Concorde’s range and cruising speed to go on flying IE it’s a piloted uncatchable missile in most respects v modern fighters. 
Macron is a five star pillock but the Concorde story,like the loss of 60’s fast jets in preservation, went far higher up the chain of command than he is capable of.But a terrible loss of technical heritage all the same if not also an embarassment to what followed as so called ‘progress’.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Personally I think Boris wasted his time going to Paris today other than having a free feast of frogs legs, Macron is typical of the French attitude which is there way and pay or no way at all, he will squirm too if we leave with no deal as he will have the French fishermen to deal with and they will cause more congestion at the ports than is already anticipated with customs checking, bin there seen it the Frogs don’t like being told especially if its not what they want to here.
Same goes for Southern Ireland with the [zb] they have as a leader, only 25% like the way Varadkar is handling things at the moment and he will get a sharp wakeup call if I am not mistaken pretty soon to boot.
Unless there is flexibility from the EU cant see a deal being struck, its not just the removal of the backstop that is holding this up as there are a lot more implications involved with the rest of Mays failed deal, we are far better to come out with no deal and we are 39 billion in the kitty better off which sounds right to me, Buzzer.You’re probably correct that Johnson was wasting his time talking to Macron. Equally Macron was wasting his time.
The deal is there. Neither side will give enough to make it acceptable to the other, so talking without being prepared to move is a waste of time.
Obviously Johnson will say “they must move, but I’m a tough guy and won’t budge”. Guess what? The EU is pretty much saying the same.
Those promises of “easiest negotiations in history” are ringing hollow.As far as the electorate that voted to leave the EU that was what it was plain and simple, when the vote was done in 2016 the deal as so called was not on that ballot paper as has been stated many times before on here it was just stay or leave, who decided we needed to have a deal ?
This whole Brexit has become a farce and destroyed democracy in this country and those responsible who are trying to derail the will of the majority should be exterminated, Buzzer.“Who decided we needed to have a deal”?
Well, before the vote just about all the Brexiteers were talking about how good a deal we would cut.
Farage, Davies, Johnson, Gove etc. were all talking about how good and easy it would be to negotiate.
Show us where, with this background any of them spoke of “No Deal”?
When was a WTO exit first spoken of?
After months of difficult negotiations they started ‘rewriting’ history. Farage claims he spoke of “no deal is better than a bad deal” before the vote, but it seems the www is suffering amnesia.
Who decided WE need a deal? Nobody did. As has been mentioned time and time again this was never on the referendum paper, it was a simple in or out. A deal would be favourable for all parties concerned? Possibly, but it’s certainly not the be all to end all.
bigstraight6:
Who decided WE need a deal? Nobody did. As has been mentioned time and time again this was never on the referendum paper, it was a simple in or out. A deal would be favourable for all parties concerned? Possibly, but it’s certainly not the be all to end all.
It is to remainers because they see it as the only way of continuing with the situation of us submitting to the blackmail of trade for sovereignty over our own affairs and borders and lots of our cash for the privilege.While they know that the EU has no intention whatsoever of doing any ‘deal’ which would break that circle.
IE their allegiance is to the EU.Because it gets them what they want by being able to gerrymander votes across national boundaries and they know the EU can’t survive without us bankrolling it and if any member is allowed to leave on the basis of breaking that blackmail.
Franglais:
At Basel/St Louis there are no EU customs officers. There are Swiss, or French ones.
On any Eire/N.I. border there could be Irish or UK customs officers, no need for any EU force you imagine.
If it’s not an illegal EU border then remind us what Irish/UK customs officers or immigration officials or gates etc etc we needed or had on the Eire/UK border in before 1973 ?.Also bearing in mind the CTA in place at that time.
The referendum was do you want “in or out” period ! We voted by a majority to LEAVE and then we would negotiate a “deal” which is to the benefit of both sides i.e. a fair deal ! If the EU wouldn’t play ball well it is our prerogative to walk away and the EU want a deal as much as we do so why are the traitorous Remoaners siding with the EU and attempting to thwart our exit on October 31st ? What is the ■■■■■■■ problem ! they want to trade with the UK and the UK wants to trade with the EU. The Irish Border is just a “red herring” and to sort it why can’t Southern Ireland be separated from mainland Europe “customwise” problem solved simples !! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
The Irish Border is just a “red herring” and to sort it why can’t Southern Ireland be separated from mainland Europe “customwise” problem solved simples !! Cheers Bewick.
Eire remains part of the European ‘single market’ ‘customwise’.That’s still no reason as to why the UK/Eire border needs to be any different than it was before 1973.Any customs liable freight or those not subject to the CTA still have to meet UK border conditions on entry and vice versa just as they did then.