Eu referendum whats your vote

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ramone:
I usually watch Sky News which at times can be biased but then again i choose to pay for Sly bit have no choice with the BBC and the ridiculous tv licence . The Sky Debate programme infiriates me at times but at least it has a balanced view if maybe staged at times .The excellent Sophie Ridge on sunday mornings is usually excellent but Boris did manage to rattle her a few weeks back

Is it the programme that infuriates you? Or the points of view expressed on it, I wonder?
Both are perfectly possible, but paint a very different picture. I’ve said I think the BBC is quite, but not perfectly balanced, but some of the nonsense they report, not of their making, but accurate reporting of lies and assertions made by others, has me spitting feathers!
I don’t hold them to blame for reporting lies, but do blame the liars. And I do think those lies etc should be tempered with reports from others, backed by fact.
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It’s often said follow the money, and that’s certainly true with some “news” sites.
The BBC are state funded, but there is a lot of effort to keep editorial independence. But most is perfect.

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Franglais:
Can’t see any replies yet to Spardo’s question of where else do people go for their news?
Maybe some are well aware that their own choice of news provider is also not above criticism?
Personally I’m a big fan of BBC R4. I try to untangle what is factual reporting, opinion of politicians, opinion of experts backed with their justifications, opinion of reporters, and of views from the public. All have a place, but not all are equally worthy.
So, answer the question, who are the news providers for all of you critics? Are they less biased than the Beeb? Will they stand the same levels of scrutiny?

Not quite fair, Franglais, at least John West pointed us in the direction of Euronews, his 1st choice of source. And thanks to him I did look it up and discovered that it has to be paid for but then realised that I could watch it up to date on You Tube for free. So I did.

Very informative, and as far as I am able to judge, accurate, but I saw little difference to the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 TV news that I normally watch or, as you say, Radio 4. That is on all day in our house when I am at home and only gets muted when the Archers are on because I listen to that each night on a podcast and am 2 weeks behind with it. :laughing:

And of course OIly, assuming that we all have such hours to spare, linked us to Wiki. That much maligned but often useful hotchpotch of personal opinion. I didn’t read it all, just in from a long trip was knackered, but I did skim through each section and the overall opinion I gained was that for every left wing accusation there was another from the right, also complaining. It was accused of racism by the Indians because it described terrorists as gunmen, but equally the Moslems alleged the opposite. The same with the Arab/Palestinian conflict. Simon Reeves recently said of that that his heart grieved for the suffering of the Jewish people over the centuries, but equally the current state of the Palestinians, imprisoned and deprived as they are, was also hard to justify. IMO if you are getting flak from both sides you must be doing something right.

But we await the revelation from Ramone as to where his pearls of wisdom originate while overlooking with the contempt they deserve, his sneering put downs of charity workers.

Edit, breaking news, his pearls come from Sky, which I can’t afford, but I do know who founded it and I do know the base of its current owners, the USA, so do have some doubts as to its independance. But I don’t know its output personally but I would back a British organisation any day against an American one.

And the other bloke, a few posts up? The one who thinks there should be no free speech in this forum? Perhaps we should refer him to the mission statement of the forum - Trucknet UK, By Drivers, For Drivers - and take it to heart. :slight_smile:

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Spardo:

Franglais:
Can’t see any replies yet to Spardo’s question of where else do people go for their news?
Maybe some are well aware that their own choice of news provider is also not above criticism?
Personally I’m a big fan of BBC R4. I try to untangle what is factual reporting, opinion of politicians, opinion of experts backed with their justifications, opinion of reporters, and of views from the public. All have a place, but not all are equally worthy.
So, answer the question, who are the news providers for all of you critics? Are they less biased than the Beeb? Will they stand the same levels of scrutiny?

Not quite fair, Franglais, at least John West pointed us in the direction of Euronews, his 1st choice of source. And thanks to him I did look it up and discovered that it has to be paid for but then realised that I could watch it up to date on You Tube for free. So I did.

Very informative, and as far as I am able to judge, accurate, but I saw little difference to the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 TV news that I normally watch or, as you say, Radio 4. That is on all day in our house when I am at home and only gets muted when the Archers are on because I listen to that each night on a podcast and am 2 weeks behind with it. :laughing:

And of course OIly, assuming that we all have such hours to spare, linked us to Wiki. That much maligned but often useful hotchpotch of personal opinion. I didn’t read it all, just in from a long trip was knackered, but I did skim through each section and the overall opinion I gained was that for every left wing accusation there was another from the right, also complaining. It was accused of racism by the Indians because it described terrorists as gunmen, but equally the Moslems alleged the opposite. The same with the Arab/Palestinian conflict. Simon Reeves recently said of that that his heart grieved for the suffering of the Jewish people over the centuries, but equally the current state of the Palestinians, imprisoned and deprived as they are, was also hard to justify. IMO if you are getting flak from both sides you must be doing something right.

But we await the revelation from Ramone as to where his pearls of wisdom originate while overlooking with the contempt they deserve, his sneering put downs of charity workers.

Edit, breaking news, his pearls come from Sky, which I can’t afford, but I do know who founded it and I do know the base of its current owners, the USA, so do have some doubts as to its independance. But I don’t know its output personally but I would back a British organisation any day against an American one.

And the other bloke, a few posts up? The one who thinks there should be no free speech in this forum? Perhaps we should refer him to the mission statement of the forum - Trucknet UK, By Drivers, For Drivers - and take it to heart. :slight_smile:

So there we go a bloke who lives in France has no idea of what’s going on over here but is very quick to assume he knows everything cant afford Sky but knows its not as good as British organisations (probably the ones that need the EUs guidance to survive) uses the BBC channels i do hope he will be paying for his tv licence when pensioners stop getting it for nothing. Ah but that would be putting something back into the British ecconomy .
I can’t answer the charity slur you accused me of because i haven’t got a clue what you are going on about ,but the other poster you refer to is also entitled to his views so you give you take

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Ramone:
I can’t answer the charity slur you accused me of because i haven’t got a clue what you are going on about

I am not in the least surprised by that. I suppose doing something for the good of others without a salary is beyond your comprehension.

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Spardo:

Ramone:
I can’t answer the charity slur you accused me of because i haven’t got a clue what you are going on about

I am not in the least surprised by that. I suppose doing something for the good of others without a salary is beyond your comprehension.

There you go again with your condescending remarks when at the end of the day you are just assuming

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ramone:

Spardo:

Ramone:
I can’t answer the charity slur you accused me of because i haven’t got a clue what you are going on about

I am not in the least surprised by that. I suppose doing something for the good of others without a salary is beyond your comprehension.

There you go again with your condescending remarks when at the end of the day you are just assuming

You leave me no choice but to assume your attitude due to your several previous condescending remarks about what I do these days. It is you who makes it personal, I, and some of the others, try to stick to the facts.

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Spardo:

ramone:

Spardo:

Ramone:
I can’t answer the charity slur you accused me of because i haven’t got a clue what you are going on about

I am not in the least surprised by that. I suppose doing something for the good of others without a salary is beyond your comprehension.

There you go again with your condescending remarks when at the end of the day you are just assuming

You leave me no choice but to assume your attitude due to your several previous condescending remarks about what I do these days. It is you who makes it personal, I, and some of the others, try to stick to the facts.

Selective memory being one of your traits then ?

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It is this sort of nosey-parker interference in my country that makes me so angry. Just as infuriating is the obsequious, lapdog adherance to this kind of ■■■■■■■■ that our establishment takes. The sooner we are rid of these ■■■■■ the better.

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cav551:
It is this sort of nosey-parker interference in my country that makes me so angry. Just as infuriating is the obsequious, lapdog adherance to this kind of ■■■■■■■■ that our establishment takes. The sooner we are rid of these [zb] the better.

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Look on the bright side it could also create a resurgence in Brit innovation like electric or spark ignition LPG fuelled boat power unit conversions.In this case the simple solution of going electric for canal and river use with stand alone diesel generator charging,which can obviously use red,and big spark ignition engines for offshore motor yachting.What’s not to like a whole new industry at the expense of the established European marine diesel exporters and EU tax robbery.At least until we get a government which really intends to take us out of the Federal zb pile. :bulb: :wink:

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Now we’ll know for sure where BoJo and the Cons and the country really stand by let’s say midday or at most 5 pm today.If it’s true ( doubtful ) what took him so long to do it. :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=wpnUtyldnww

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Carryfast:
Now we’ll know for sure where BoJo and the Cons and the country really stand by let’s say midday or at most 5 pm today.If it’s true ( doubtful ) what took him so long to do it. :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=wpnUtyldnww

Apparently Harriet Harman has put her name forward to be caretaker PM because non of the parties want Corbyn as they try to stop Brexit without a deal .Why cant these clowns see what they are doing , there’s no deal to have and all that these idiots create is a stronger EU resolute by weakening our stance Of course Boris wants a deal but not under the conditions the EU have put forward whereas the EU have stood as one our lot have caused mayhem in our own ranks to weaken our stance . The MPs who dont want Brexit should resign because they are not representing the majority of this nation and before someone comes back saying we never voted to leave without a deal well we did because it wad a simple in or out

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ramone:

Carryfast:
Now we’ll know for sure where BoJo and the Cons and the country really stand by let’s say midday or at most 5 pm today.If it’s true ( doubtful ) what took him so long to do it. :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=wpnUtyldnww

Apparently Harriet Harman has put her name forward to be caretaker PM because non of the parties want Corbyn as they try to stop Brexit without a deal .Why cant these clowns see what they are doing , there’s no deal to have and all that these idiots create is a stronger EU resolute by weakening our stance Of course Boris wants a deal but not under the conditions the EU have put forward whereas the EU have stood as one our lot have caused mayhem in our own ranks to weaken our stance . The MPs who dont want Brexit should resign because they are not representing the majority of this nation and before someone comes back saying we never voted to leave without a deal well we did because it wad a simple in or out

Should Johnson resign then?
Twice he voted against May’s exit deal. As you said the referendum was just ‘in/out’, no mention of any particular aspect of a deal. He is one of the reasons we are still in the EU.

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TM was the reason we are still in the EU it was her who went to Brussels and instead of stating exactly what we were going to do and on our terms she went there and asked them what they wanted, well of course they had her by the short and curlys right from the offset and we should have come out on the original date and if we had Boris would not have had to vote at all.
Now can I get my head round this idea that Corbin should become PM even for a limited time I sincerely hope not, what are these prats in Whitehall thinking and as for Tory remainer’s indicating they would support such an idea, well they should be relieved of there post with immediate effect. For a start it would be a traitor’s act to do such a thing, they forget they were elected as Tory representatives buy there constituency voters and to actually put the opposition leader in power over there own elected PM is just beyond all belief.
Yesterday I read that a special train was being prepared at a cost of 25 million just to bring in daily supplies of medicine, well from where I am viewing the situation why would this be necessary as apparently if we do leave without a deal the EU no longer want to trade with us so it wont be a problem shipping this in the normal manner by ferry or the tunnel.
Ramone has hit the nail on the head all this bickering about a no deal which was never on the original card is just strengthening the EU’s hand and all the perpe/trators (see what I did there) should be made to resign with immediate effect and never be allowed to be in Whitehall again

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Franglais:

ramone:

Carryfast:
Now we’ll know for sure where BoJo and the Cons and the country really stand by let’s say midday or at most 5 pm today.If it’s true ( doubtful ) what took him so long to do it. :wink:

youtube.com/watch?v=wpnUtyldnww

Apparently Harriet Harman has put her name forward to be caretaker PM because non of the parties want Corbyn as they try to stop Brexit without a deal .Why cant these clowns see what they are doing , there’s no deal to have and all that these idiots create is a stronger EU resolute by weakening our stance Of course Boris wants a deal but not under the conditions the EU have put forward whereas the EU have stood as one our lot have caused mayhem in our own ranks to weaken our stance . The MPs who dont want Brexit should resign because they are not representing the majority of this nation and before someone comes back saying we never voted to leave without a deal well we did because it wad a simple in or out

Should Johnson resign then?
Twice he voted against May’s exit deal. As you said the referendum was just ‘in/out’, no mention of any particular aspect of a deal. He is one of the reasons we are still in the EU.

Are you playing with a full deck or on the wind up , it got voted out from all sides of the house 3 times because we weren’t actually coming out of the EU they still held the reins so Boris was 100% correct in voting against it and that is why he wont negotiate with them until the backstop is removed .The same MPs who voted against Mays deal are now saying they will oust Boris if he tries for no deal but the only deal is with the backstop the deal they rejected … simply translated : they want to remain with Comical Corbyn a Eurosceptic pro remainer leading them ■■?

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I wonder if this thread would be better placed in Bully’s Truckstop forum? :question: :bulb:

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ERF-NGC-European:
I wonder if this thread would be better placed in Bully’s Truckstop forum? :question: :bulb:

This is Bewick’s EU topic and rightly therefore has special exemption to stay here. :wink: :smiling_imp:

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Edit Buzzer’s topic.

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ERF-NGC-European:
I wonder if this thread would be better placed in Bully’s Truckstop forum? :question: :bulb:

No, I don’t think so. We are where we are because of an almost complete breakdown of democracy in this country by the elite establishment, so it’s no wonder feelings are running rather high.

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bigstraight6:

ERF-NGC-European:
I wonder if this thread would be better placed in Bully’s Truckstop forum? :question: :bulb:

No, I don’t think so. We are where we are because of an almost complete breakdown of democracy in this country by the elite establishment, so it’s no wonder feelings are running rather high.

Fair point but I my question was not based on opinions, emotions running high etc, about which I have no problems; rather it was about the fact the thread is entirely political and very rarely touches on transport. I was merely suggesting a separate category. :wink: Robert

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ramone:
Are you playing with a full deck or on the wind up , it got voted out from all sides of the house 3 times because we weren’t actually coming out of the EU they still held the reins so Boris was 100% correct in voting against it and that is why he wont negotiate with them until the backstop is removed .The same MPs who voted against Mays deal are now saying they will oust Boris if he tries for no deal but the only deal is with the backstop the deal they rejected … simply translated : they want to remain with Comical Corbyn a Eurosceptic pro remainer leading them ■■?

No
No
Yes
Twice Johnson voted against Mays deal…then, the third time, for it.
So at the best he was 66% correct ?

But the point I was trying to make is that there was a vote to leave the EU, and twice he voted against it.
Why? Because it wasnt the particular sort of Brexit he wanted. But as you have said, the referendum vote didnt specify any one particular sort of Brexit, it was a simple yes/no choice…and Johnson twice said “no”.
Im using your argument to show that the referendum didnt specify what Brexit really is.
Once again, different people having different ideas on what they were voting on.
And a leading Brexiteer not knowing his arse from his elbow, as if we needed more proof.