dexxy57:
She is a Constitutional Monarch. Essentially, she does what she’s told. She rubber stamps Acts of Parliament (or puts a posh wax seal on them) and then gets back to her ceremonial duties.
Drag yourself (at the very least) forward into the 17th century.
The Monarch has the power to refuse assent to any bill of parliament especially one which hands the country over to a foreign power.She also has the power to command the military to act against any such rogue parliament and even declare war against any such foreign power.The fact that instead she chose to sign us up to the European Communities Act says it all and that’s why we ain’t leaving the EU in March,or October or ever.
Are you confusing Elizabeth 2nd with Elizabeth 1st?
ramone:
Just watch Have I Got News For You to see how bias the BBC are.
How are the views of a comedian, a journalist and various guests the view, biased or otherwise, of the BBC? I suppose you could say that it is BBC policymakers who choose those guests but could it be that the vast majority of the guests they have to choose from think that Johnson is a conning clown?
I have said it before but the backstop is there to protect Ireland, an EU member who does not want to leave the Union. Do you really think that they should betray Ireland just to get a deal with an always troublesome UK? Of course not, it would spell doom for the Union as all the other small countries would know that it could not be relied upon when push came to shove.
Also, it would be nice to know where you get your news from and explain how you know for sure that it isn’t biased. I am happy to declare my sources, BBC and Channel 4 in the main, but I do trawl elsewhere when I have the time and I see nothing in general which does not clash with commonsense.
The backstop protecting Ireland from a troublesome UK ■■? Is that the same UK that bailed Ireland out not so long ago when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
If the EU are so adamant that they want a border let them set it up and police it at a cost to them.
Interesting comment about the EU, rather than just the Eire Gov funding any border… Would the EU, in that case ask Eire to join the Schengen zone?
At least Calais would be happy. Very happy!
dexxy57:
She is a Constitutional Monarch. Essentially, she does what she’s told. She rubber stamps Acts of Parliament (or puts a posh wax seal on them) and then gets back to her ceremonial duties.
Drag yourself (at the very least) forward into the 17th century.
The Monarch has the power to refuse assent to any bill of parliament especially one which hands the country over to a foreign power.She also has the power to command the military to act against any such rogue parliament and even declare war against any such foreign power.The fact that instead she chose to sign us up to the European Communities Act says it all and that’s why we ain’t leaving the EU in March,or October or ever.
Are you confusing Elizabeth 2nd with Elizabeth 1st?
Feel free to post the relevant information which backs your bs claim that the powers I’ve described stopped with Liz 1 and don’t apply to Liz 2.
ramone:
The backstop protecting Ireland from a troublesome UK ■■? Is that the same UK that bailed Ireland out not so long ago when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
If the EU are so adamant that they want a border let them set it up and police it at a cost to them.
They don’t want a border, that’s the whole point. No wonder you think as you do if you don’t understand that simple fact.
Still don’t know what your super trusty news source is however, but if that is where it’s led you, say no more.
If they supposedly don’t want a border then what is the issue ?.It’s clear that the EU does want a Federal ‘border’ assuming a non aligned non EU member state UK.At which point the obvious question is why would a so called single market and group of supposed sovereign states think it has the right to claim a national border in its own right.Oh wait it’s a Federation of puppet states when it suits it and laughably supposedly not one when it doesn’t.It’s clear in this case that the Irish question is recogognition of the Irish/UK border as it stood since 1920 and going to war if need be over the illegal undeclared de Jure Federal zb pile known as the EU trying to claim a border between Eire and UK,in its own right.
As for two EU member states having had to go begging to the IMF added to the Greek issue how does that show that the EU is supposedly good for us.
ramone:
The backstop protecting Ireland from a troublesome UK ■■? Is that the same UK that bailed Ireland out not so long ago when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
If the EU are so adamant that they want a border let them set it up and police it at a cost to them.
They don’t want a border, that’s the whole point. No wonder you think as you do if you don’t understand that simple fact.
Still don’t know what your super trusty news source is however, but if that is where it’s led you, say no more.
If they supposedly don’t want a border then what is the issue ?.It’s clear that the EU does want a Federal ‘border’ assuming a non aligned non EU member state UK.At which point the obvious question is why would a so called single market and group of supposed sovereign states think it has the right to claim a national border in its own right.Oh wait it’s a Federation of puppet states when it suits it and laughably supposedly not one when it doesn’t.It’s clear in this case that the Irish question is recogognition of the Irish/UK border as it stood since 1920 and going to war if need be over the illegal undeclared de Jure Federal zb pile known as the EU trying to claim a border between Eire and UK,in its own right.
As for two EU member states having had to go begging to the IMF added to the Greek issue how does that show that the EU is supposedly good for us.
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal so let the EU run it and pay for it.
The BBC has been left wing for years reporting on what it wants you to see. But living in France and choosing not to come back and see how bad our inner cities have become you wont know that
ramone:
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal
Or more precisely the illegal undeclared de Jure Federal state known as the EU,wants to equally illegally trump the CTA and UK/Eire border arrangements,in place since 1920 to date,by equally illegally claiming the right to its own national borders.In this case superseding ( hijacking ) that between UK and Eire.Strange but no surprise how the quisling Brit government doesn’t seem to want to argue the issue in international law.
ramone:
The backstop protecting Ireland from a troublesome UK ■■? Is that the same UK that bailed Ireland out not so long ago when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
If the EU are so adamant that they want a border let them set it up and police it at a cost to them.
They don’t want a border, that’s the whole point. No wonder you think as you do if you don’t understand that simple fact.
Still don’t know what your super trusty news source is however, but if that is where it’s led you, say no more.
If they supposedly don’t want a border then what is the issue ?.It’s clear that the EU does want a Federal ‘border’ assuming a non aligned non EU member state UK.At which point the obvious question is why would a so called single market and group of supposed sovereign states think it has the right to claim a national border in its own right.Oh wait it’s a Federation of puppet states when it suits it and laughably supposedly not one when it doesn’t.It’s clear in this case that the Irish question is recogognition of the Irish/UK border as it stood since 1920 and going to war if need be over the illegal undeclared de Jure Federal zb pile known as the EU trying to claim a border between Eire and UK,in its own right.
As for two EU member states having had to go begging to the IMF added to the Greek issue how does that show that the EU is supposedly good for us.
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal so let the EU run it and pay for it.
The BBC has been left wing for years reporting on what it wants you to see. But living in France and choosing not to come back and see how bad our inner cities have become you wont know that
Our inner cities are bad? But if so after 12yrs of right wing government wouldn’t leftist media be reporting it? Not hiding it.
With no border controls, how will we stop EU citizens coming into the UK from Eire, and digging up the gold slabs our streets are going to be paved with?
dexxy57:
She is a Constitutional Monarch. Essentially, she does what she’s told. She rubber stamps Acts of Parliament (or puts a posh wax seal on them) and then gets back to her ceremonial duties.
Drag yourself (at the very least) forward into the 17th century.
The Monarch has the power to refuse assent to any bill of parliament especially one which hands the country over to a foreign power.She also has the power to command the military to act against any such rogue parliament and even declare war against any such foreign power.The fact that instead she chose to sign us up to the European Communities Act says it all and that’s why we ain’t leaving the EU in March,or October or ever.
Are you confusing Elizabeth 2nd with Elizabeth 1st?
Feel free to post the relevant information which backs your bs claim that the powers I’ve described stopped with Liz 1 and don’t apply to Liz 2.
Blimey, she kept that quiet, didn’t she. I’m not voting for her again.
Carryfast:
Feel free to post the relevant information which backs your bs claim that the powers I’ve described stopped with Liz 1 and don’t apply to Liz 2.
Blimey, she kept that quiet, didn’t she. I’m not voting for her again.
Not exactly the information called for.
We don’t generally get a vote on handing over the country to a foreign power,or defending the country against same,or allowing the government to delegate its authority to said foreign power.IE the job of the Head of State is to make sure that no foreign mandate ( vote ) gets to decide this country’s destiny.On that note I’m sure it was King George V1 who declared war on Germany in 1939 not parliament and let alone any referendum allowing Mosely’s rabble to vote us into the 3rd Reich.Feel free to show otherwise.
ramone:
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal so let the EU run it and pay for it.
The BBC has been left wing for years reporting on what it wants you to see. But living in France and choosing not to come back and see how bad our inner cities have become you wont know that
You really should get a life and stop worrying about peoples’ postcodes, then perhaps you could get round to answering the question about your sources of information, seeing as how biased the BBC is.
“perhaps you could get round to answering the question about your sources of information, seeing as how biased the BBC is.”
Digest this, all of it…en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
Oily
ramone:
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal so let the EU run it and pay for it.
The BBC has been left wing for years reporting on what it wants you to see. But living in France and choosing not to come back and see how bad our inner cities have become you wont know that
You really should get a life and stop worrying about peoples’ postcodes, then perhaps you could get round to answering the question about your sources of information, seeing as how biased the BBC is.
Stop telling people how wrong they are on their views of wanting Brexit when you dont even know whats happening here as you refuse to come back and see for yourself the state of the place . You really are out of touch with this nations problems and the idiots we have to put up with in parliment.
Maybe all that dog walking is getting to you , its a well known fact that the BBC is a biased organisation. Question Time having a carefully selected audience when Farage was on the panel is one that springs to mind.
Down Shep
ramone:
The EU are insisting on a border if we leave with no deal so let the EU run it and pay for it.
The BBC has been left wing for years reporting on what it wants you to see. But living in France and choosing not to come back and see how bad our inner cities have become you wont know that
You really should get a life and stop worrying about peoples’ postcodes, then perhaps you could get round to answering the question about your sources of information, seeing as how biased the BBC is.
Stop telling people how wrong they are on their views of wanting Brexit when you dont even know whats happening here as you refuse to come back and see for yourself the state of the place . You really are out of touch with this nations problems and the idiots we have to put up with in parliment.
Maybe all that dog walking is getting to you , its a well known fact that the BBC is a biased organisation. Question Time having a carefully selected audience when Farage was on the panel is one that springs to mind.
Down Shep
I agree entirely ramone, it really infuriates me when expats that have chosen to leave the UK have a sense of entitlement that they can lecture on what’s best for us and our country! It really is quite unbelievable.
bigstraight6:
it really infuriates me when expats that have chosen to leave the UK have a sense of entitlement that they can lecture on what’s best for us and our country! It really is quite unbelievable.
Here’s a clue they actually know it’s not ‘best’ for ‘us’.It’s all about what’s best for them and their chosen host country.
IE they have chosen to bet their own personal fortune in whatever form on foreign interests.They obviously don’t then want this country to do what’s in its own interest at the expense of that foreign interest.That applies to all sectors from banks and investment institutions.To industrialists closing down domestic operations in favour of opening up foreign ones instead.Or importers flogging foreign made stuff at a higher profit margin.Or expats choosing to leave this country and therefore creating a conflict of interest regarding the fortunes of their new domicile foreign abode.In this case obviously the loss of the UK contribution and possible re alignment of the trade regime to the perceived disadvantage of their new found foreign home.In addition to the possibility of an end to pick and mix domestic and foreign citizenship and all that goes with it as it suits them.
I do watch the BBC and sometimes SKY. What irritates me about both channels is that they show very little news. The ‘lead’ article this evening on the Beeb was about drugs and drug busting. The news content of that was about one minute, and it really wasn’t something that actually happened today. They then went on with follow up and opinion for about 10 minutes. Their analysis and opinions should be on another show.
News programmes should not be 4 or 5 items spread over half an hour, with an introduction showing the 4 or 5 items, a consolidation in the middle, again showing those 4 or 5 items and a round up at the end showing…
I can make my own mind up about what is shown, surely? I don’t want them to ‘explain’ it to me, or as said, that should be on another programme.
I find the most interesting news on Euronews. They show news items, sometimes even without sound or comment. You see things on there which never make it to the UK channels - as well as news from the UK, without the analysis ‘helpfully’ provided by the BBC and SKY.
oiltreader:
“perhaps you could get round to answering the question about your sources of information, seeing as how biased the BBC is.”
Digest this, all of it…en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
Oily
Hmmmm.
A long list of criticism of the BBC. Given the title of the Wiki entry what do we expect?
It is an interesting piece and raises several issues. It is right that we hold the BBC up to high standards. An Ofcom report from 12th Feb 2019 said that the BBC Brexit coverage was not biased. Doubtless many think that Ofcom is biased and will criticise it in turn.
The BBC is run by human beings. It is not a perfect organisation, and for the most part it is open about criticism of itself. It produces programmes about this issue. It does at least try to be neutral.
But there are further issues here: should all points of view be given equal weight?
Should all parties get the same air time, for example? Should The Monster Raving Looney Party get equal air time with the Tories? (You can make your own jokes about that!)
The Andrew Wakefield case shows there is much more to responsible journalism and news reporting than equal air time. In that case the BBC lent over backwards to try and be fair. Sometimes they aren’t hard enough on unsubstantiated and false claims. I recommend looking up Evan Davies and his comments on interview techniques, and the conflicts facing interviewers faced with well trained professional politicians.
More substantially maybe the MediaBias-FactCheck site (how neutral are they?) say the BBC have a slight left of centre lean.
Anyway, if we accept the BBC is imperfect, as nothing is perfect that’s easy, where should we get our news? Sky? Actually the mediabias-factcheck site rates them as slightly more central than the BBC. Worth noting that is only referring to the UK here, not SKY in other countries.
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So where can we find unbiased news?
Not many unbiased newspapers (paper or online) out there, are there?
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Can’t see any replies yet to Spardo’s question of where else do people go for their news?
Maybe some are well aware that their own choice of news provider is also not above criticism?
Personally I’m a big fan of BBC R4. I try to untangle what is factual reporting, opinion of politicians, opinion of experts backed with their justifications, opinion of reporters, and of views from the public. All have a place, but not all are equally worthy.
So, answer the question, who are the news providers for all of you critics? Are they less biased than the Beeb? Will they stand the same levels of scrutiny?
I usually watch Sky News which at times can be biased but then again i choose to pay for Sly but have no choice with the BBC and the ridiculous tv licence . The Sky Debate programme infuriates me at times but at least it has a balanced view if maybe staged at times .The excellent Sophie Ridge on sunday mornings is usually excellent but Boris did manage to rattle her a few weeks back
