Is this our next Prime Minister ? 
Not in the same class, Ray. 
The Eu has now given the top job to a woman Ursula von der Leyen who will replace Junker who is ofF to his bunker but it took them a while to reach that decision, Buzzer
We shall have to see with Boris, he could well be one of the best Prime Ministers we have had and a change from the staid, grey dullards we have become used too, and Boris is well known on the World stage unlike that Ursula Von whatsername.
There seems to be a bit of a fuss regarding the Brexit party turning there backs on the āEU anthemā yesterday, I always thought anthems were for sovereign national countries to be proud of, this federalist anthem means nothing to me.
dexxy57:
Do you need to up the dosage on your meds?
Are you still taking them?
Standard Soviet/Federalist MO.Anyone who refuses to be assimilated and follow the Party line will be sent to the Gulag/Concentration Camp for brainwashing.Trust me history shows that this argument isnāt going to have a happy ending.
Jesus C/F , lighten up a bit mate. Iām not saying that you donāt have a point, but if my understanding is correct, then you are anti - communist. Am I correct thus far ?
If Iām right, then consider this. Assuming that we all stuck together, ( this is a hypothetical assumption by the way, as history has shown that ā sticking together ā is considered an anathema within the road haulage industry. ) In fact Barbara Castle was evidently well aware of this fact when she stated that she had no fear of the road transport unions, as there is no solidarity within the industry. These are my words incidentally, as Iāve been unable to unearth the exact quote.
I recall that during the drivers strike of 76 or thereabouts, a number of O/Ds from my neck of the woods were coining it big time by running two loads a day out of hull docksā¦I wouldnāt ā ā ā ā on their ā ā ā ā ā if their bollox were on fire personally.
But getting back to the issue of solidarity, if we all,ā¦ but it has to be every one of us,ā¦if everybody refused to pay their council tax, or their T.V. licence, or the obscenely exorbitant fines exacted by these ubiquitous Mickey Mouse parking companies, how would ā the man ā handle that scenario ?.
This country would go into meltdown, thatās my view.
I need to be very careful here as this could be construed as revolutionary talk. Not that revolution would ever occur on this side of the channel of course, as we as a nation appear to lack the Gallic balls of our historic European enemy.
Nevertheless, it would be entertaining to hear your take on the subject of solidarity, especially as there appears to be [zb]all on the box to look forward to tonight.
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Do you need to up the dosage on your meds?
Are you still taking them?Standard Soviet/Federalist MO.Anyone who refuses to be assimilated and follow the Party line will be sent to the Gulag/Concentration Camp for brainwashing.Trust me history shows that this argument isnāt going to have a happy ending.
Thatāll be a āNoā then.
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Eddie Heaton:
Jesus C/F , lighten up a bit mate. Iām not saying that you donāt have a point, but if my understanding is correct, then you are anti - communist. Am I correct thus far ?If Iām right, then consider this. Assuming that we all stuck together, ( this is a hypothetical assumption by the way, as history has shown that ā sticking together ā is considered an anathema within the road haulage industry. ) In fact Barbara Castle was evidently well aware of this fact when she stated that she had no fear of the road transport unions, as there is no solidarity within the industry. These are my words incidentally, as Iāve been unable to unearth the exact quote.
I recall that during the drivers strike of 76 or thereabouts, a number of O/Ds from my neck of the woods were coining it big time by running two loads a day out of hull docksā¦I wouldnāt ā ā ā ā on their ā ā ā ā ā if their bollox were on fire personally.
But getting back to the issue of solidarity, if we all,ā¦ but it has to be every one of us,ā¦if everybody refused to pay their council tax, or their T.V. licence, or the obscenely exorbitant fines exacted by these ubiquitous Mickey Mouse parking companies, how would ā the man ā handle that scenario ?.
This country would go into meltdown, thatās my view.
I need to be very careful here as this could be construed as revolutionary talk. Not that revolution would ever occur on this side of the channel of course, as we as a nation appear to lack the Gallic balls of our historic European enemy.
Nevertheless, it would be entertaining to hear your take on the subject of solidarity, especially as there appears to be [zb]all on the box to look forward to tonight.
I donāt think that being Nationalist/anti Communist and being pro Union solidarity are mutually exclusive.Also bearing in mind the total fraud which Remainers ( Federalists ) are getting away with in dressing up the EU as some sort of working class utopia.Bearing in mind that Brit unions have seen their rights and strength decimated and Brit jobs being either exported to the EU or EU labour being imported to do much of what weāve got left.All on the EUās watch and under EU rules regarding free trade and free movement of Capital and Labour.Which is probably why Thatcher was so keen on keeping Heathās dream alive in 1975.On that note the idea that the EU is good for Brit workers,makes as much sense as saying that Titoās Federal Yugoslav dream,that predictably turned into a dictatorial nightmare,was good for Slovenian workers.
As for all the stereotypes regarding working class solidarity,Socialism and truck drivers as a trade group.Unions donāt get much,if any,stronger than the Teamsters were in 1960ās America and certainly much stronger than anything that Soviet Socialism ever provided. 
While the example of Yugoslavia proved that secession will get nowhere without an organised National militia ready and willing to fight for it.While an unarmed vigilante revolutionary rabble has no chance.In which case Brexit was lost before it began because the Head of State and her forces are on the side of Remain and European Federalism.Which is why HM is happy to see UK forces prancing around wearing the EU insignia on their uniforms.
Carryfast:
Eddie Heaton:
Jesus C/F , lighten up a bit mate. Iām not saying that you donāt have a point, but if my understanding is correct, then you are anti - communist. Am I correct thus far ?If Iām right, then consider this. Assuming that we all stuck together, ( this is a hypothetical assumption by the way, as history has shown that ā sticking together ā is considered an anathema within the road haulage industry. ) In fact Barbara Castle was evidently well aware of this fact when she stated that she had no fear of the road transport unions, as there is no solidarity within the industry. These are my words incidentally, as Iāve been unable to unearth the exact quote.
I recall that during the drivers strike of 76 or thereabouts, a number of O/Ds from my neck of the woods were coining it big time by running two loads a day out of hull docksā¦I wouldnāt ā ā ā ā on their ā ā ā ā ā if their bollox were on fire personally.
But getting back to the issue of solidarity, if we all,ā¦ but it has to be every one of us,ā¦if everybody refused to pay their council tax, or their T.V. licence, or the obscenely exorbitant fines exacted by these ubiquitous Mickey Mouse parking companies, how would ā the man ā handle that scenario ?.
This country would go into meltdown, thatās my view.
I need to be very careful here as this could be construed as revolutionary talk. Not that revolution would ever occur on this side of the channel of course, as we as a nation appear to lack the Gallic balls of our historic European enemy.
Nevertheless, it would be entertaining to hear your take on the subject of solidarity, especially as there appears to be [zb]all on the box to look forward to tonight.
I donāt think that being Nationalist/anti Communist and being pro Union solidarity are mutually exclusive.Also bearing in mind the total fraud which Remainers ( Federalists ) are getting away with in dressing up the EU as some sort of working class utopia.Bearing in mind that Brit unions have seen their rights and strength decimated and Brit jobs being either exported to the EU or EU labour being imported to do much of what weāve got left.All on the EUās watch and under EU rules regarding free trade and free movement of Capital and Labour.Which is probably why Thatcher was so keen on keeping Heathās dream alive in 1975.On that note the idea that the EU is good for Brit workers,makes as much sense as saying that Titoās Federal Yugoslav dream,that predictably turned into a dictatorial nightmare,was good for Slovenian workers.
As for all the stereotypes regarding working class solidarity,Socialism and truck drivers as a trade group.Unions donāt get much,if any,stronger than the Teamsters were in 1960ās America and certainly much stronger than anything that Soviet Socialism ever provided.
While the example of Yugoslavia proved that secession will get nowhere without an organised National militia ready and willing to fight for it.While an unarmed vigilante revolutionary rabble has no chance.In which case Brexit was lost before it began because the Head of State and her forces are on the side of Remain and European Federalism.Which is why HM is happy to see UK forces prancing around wearing the EU insignia on their uniforms.
Well said.
(whatever it was you were trying to say).
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Morning All,
Changing the subject a little, can someone tell me if there is a new competition I have missed where āallā tv interviewers are plying to be the most rude, arrogant, childish and unprofessional in the team.
I was watching Snow last night interviewing Hunt and it was hard to watch, the way they are behaving at the moment i see all politicians refusing to talk to them. Harvey
HRS:
Morning All,
Changing the subject a little, can someone tell me if there is a new competition I have missed where āallā tv interviewers are plying to be the most rude, arrogant, childish and unprofessional in the team.
I was watching Snow last night interviewing Hunt and it was hard to watch, the way they are behaving at the moment i see all politicians refusing to talk to them. Harvey
Harvey thatās why BoJo refused at the beginning of this PM contest and of course he was way out in front and its only now he is doing hustings as its him or Hunt, what really annoys me is how they dig up and harp on about private matters of the candidates which has nothing to do with weather they are fit to be PM, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
HRS:
Morning All,
Changing the subject a little, can someone tell me if there is a new competition I have missed where āallā tv interviewers are plying to be the most rude, arrogant, childish and unprofessional in the team.
I was watching Snow last night interviewing Hunt and it was hard to watch, the way they are behaving at the moment i see all politicians refusing to talk to them. HarveyHarvey thatās why BoJo refused at the beginning of this PM contest and of course he was way out in front and its only now he is doing hustings as its him or Hunt, what really annoys me is how they dig up and harp on about private matters of the candidates which has nothing to do with weather they are fit to be PM, Buzzer.
The normally excellent Sophie Ridge was the same on sunday when she interviewed Boris to the extent that she ended up red faced and flapping , she tried to have a joke with him , then questioned why he wouldnāt have a live debate on Sky .
HRS:
Morning All,
Changing the subject a little, can someone tell me if there is a new competition I have missed where āallā tv interviewers are plying to be the most rude, arrogant, childish and unprofessional in the team.
I was watching Snow last night interviewing Hunt and it was hard to watch, the way they are behaving at the moment i see all politicians refusing to talk to them. Harvey
Perhaps incredulity and frustration at the total nonsense spewing out of those 2 interviewees in particular?
Eddie Heaton:
Hereās the way that it is lads, I possess neither the intelligence, the education nor the necessary knowledge to set myself up as a political pundit, but in common with most people, I do have opinions on certain matters.In the referendum on joining the common market back in the 70s, I voted no, but subsequently found myself in the minorityā¦ And the country joined.
The common market then morphed into the EEC then the EU, although to be fair, I wasnāt paying that much attention at the time, as I had the trifling matter of a mortgage to attend to.
In the referendum to leave the EU, I voted out, and for one of the very few times in my entire life, I found myself in a majority groupā¦and guess what happened ?..buggerall !
If Iām being perfectly honest, on each of these occasions I canāt claim to have been fully aware of the implications that my vote may have influenced in either decision, but on the rare occasions that the electorate is given the opportunity to vote in a referendum, then the outcome of that referendum should be adhered to surelyā¦is this not the essence of democracy ?, or have we adopted the slightly skewed American version of the word ? i.e., if ones reasoning doesnāt altogether align with the reasoning within the Oval Room, then that reasoning by default automatically becomes undemocratic.
Iām revealing my hand hereā¦,but Iāve now reached the point where I donāt really give a flying [zb] whether we stay or go.
but sweet baby Jesus, letās just get on and do one thing or the other FFS.
And with regard to Boris Johnson, well, I may possibly be doing the lad a disservice, and he may well prove to be the saviour of this country, although I seriously doubt it , but he neednāt be worried about any competition from me, as Iād be no good at the job. For one thing , his background is much better than mine, secondly, heās far better educated than I am, and furthermore , Iām nowhere near as ambitious as he is.
But itās a far cry from appearing as a tousle haired likeable buffoon on ā Have I Got News For You ā to putting ones name forward as credible prime ministerā¦I mean, who would want a tousle haired buffoon as a political leader ?
Oh! hang on, Iād completely forgotten about that American bloke.
I have been following this with intrest,
I think all that Eddie says sums up my point of view completely.
what I dont understand with the remain view is the fact that if we dont leave now we never will and this country and all its history and standing in the world will be lost for ever, the remainers seem to have no cares about this at all.
I really dont think it matters a jot who wins the PM debate but in my mind we must go on our terms with or without a deal and try to build ourselves back up to the country we once were.
Steve.
pollystag:
I have been following this with intrest,
I think all that Eddie says sums up my point of view completely.
what I dont understand with the remain view is the fact that if we dont leave now we never will and this country and all its history and standing in the world will be lost for ever, the remainers seem to have no cares about this at all.
I really dont think it matters a jot who wins the PM debate but in my mind we must go on our terms with or without a deal and try to build ourselves back up to the country we once were.
Steve.
Well there you have put your finger on the gulf between us, Steve. You believe that we have lost standing by being in the Union and will regain it by leaving, whereas I, and millions like me, believe quite the opposite, that we already have a standing in the world as well as membership, although not in the imperial sense (as many leavers seem to be vainly harking back to), but will lose what standing we have by leaving in such a disorderly manner.
The country is already the laughing stock of the world by careering to destruction while, instead of trying to do something about it, 2 buffoons playing to the buffoonery end of the Tory party fight it out by mendaciously promising billions if they can only be allowed to be PM. Surely, anyone who even wants to be PM in the present circumstances must be in sore need of mental examination.
pollystag:
what I dont understand with the remain view is the fact that if we dont leave now we never will and this country and all its history and standing in the world will be lost for ever, the remainers seem to have no cares about this at all.
I really dont think it matters a jot who wins the PM debate but in my mind we must go on our terms with or without a deal and try to build ourselves back up to the country we once were.
Steve.
The āremain viewā is that they donāt want to āleave nowā or ever.They are also by definition hostile to the idea of us being a sovereign Nation State because they view the EU as their ācountryā and EU secessionists as being little Englanders and āNationalist extremistsā.The argument is nothing new and has been played out numerous times in numerous places in Europe and elsewhere across the centuries.The events of 1991 which took place in the former Yugoslavia being the most recent and 1861 America before that being two examples ( and warnings ) of where this is all heading sooner or later.In our case the example of Missouri,in the case of the latter,probably being the most relevant.
Spardo:
Surely, anyone who even wants to be PM in the present circumstances must be in sore need of mental examination.
The only ones in need of sectioning for everyoneās safety are the EU Federalists.Just as Yugoslav JNA ones were and Lincolnās rampaging rabble.Of which the Tory Party,by definition being ideologically āUnionistsā,are also a part.On that note donāt try to fool anyone that BoJo and his side kick arenāt just two more Con Party tricksters,who are working for the EU agenda of delaying Brexit until we are tied to the Lisbon Treaty,by the Act of Union in 1973,which the Tories and HM signed us up to and have no intention of taking us out of now because doing so would obviously incriminate them both.
Spardo just exactly what do you mean by careering to destruction, can you explain what you mean by this as we have not left the EU last time I checked, Buzzer.
This is what I come to expect now,
what do you think will happen here when we go out? You honestly believe we wont be able to stand on our own two feet without the help of a corrupt institution that is almost on the point of collapse? Look at France and all the trouble its brought on itself (or are all the rioting videos fake news,ha)
Iām sorry but you are wrong and are probably more worried about not getting your pension paid into a local post office wherever you live than what happens to the eu.
Buzzer:
Spardo just exactly what do you mean by careering to destruction, can you explain what you mean by this as we have not left the EU last time I checked, Buzzer.
Careering means in motion, in motion towards destruction, so the destruction happens when you get there. Out of the EU, that is.
Pollystag:
This is what I come to expect now,
what do you think will happen here when we go out? You honestly believe we wont be able to stand on our own two feet without the help of a corrupt institution that is almost on the point of collapse? Look at France and all the trouble its brought on itself (or are all the rioting videos fake news,ha)
Iām sorry but you are wrong and are probably more worried about not getting your pension paid into a local post office wherever you live than what happens to the eu.
Sorry Steve, I really thought your original post was a genuine enquiry and statement, and I answered it in that vein. I now realise that you were merely preparing to descend like so many others into the same ignorant interpretation of selective news reporting and answering genuine responses with childish insult. The reason I have not taken part so often in this thread recently and your latest has convinced me that I have been right in not doing so.