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Franglais:
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I strongly disagree.
That’s not being cynical at all…
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Every word of Eddie’s post displayed strong and healthy cynicism, and I strongly agree with him.
Our next PM is going to be chosen by a tiny minority of the electorate.
160,000 members of the Tory party have the decision in their hands. There’s possibly as many as 200,000 of them (the exact figure is pretty vague) but even if there were that many, that amounts to roughly 0.4% of the electorate in this country.

The promises the two clowns are making about increased spending, tax cuts, leaving with no deal etc. are nothing short of reckless. It seems to be what the paid up members of the Tory party (nearly 40% of whom are in their 60’s or older) want to hear though.

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It’s called a race to the bottom, and not Eddie’s hairy-arsed one either, but the pits, the absolute pit the country is going to belanguishing in for a long time to come.

The exchange rate of the £ against the € is less than 1.12 this morning, not that that bothers many of you apart from paying more for almost everything that arrives from abroad, but it does signify what a shambles the rest of the world thinks of Britain. Either of these 2 clowns will make it much worse, even if of course, they revert to type and deny everything they have said recently. :unamused:

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dexxy57:

Franglais:
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I strongly disagree.
That’s not being cynical at all…

Every word of Eddie’s post displayed strong and healthy cynicism, and I strongly agree with him.
Our next PM is going to be chosen by a tiny minority of the electorate.
160,000 members of the Tory party have the decision in their hands. There’s possibly as many as 200,000 of them (the exact figure is pretty vague) but even if there were that many, that amounts to roughly 0.4% of the electorate in this country.

The promises the two clowns are making about increased spending, tax cuts, leaving with no deal etc. are nothing short of reckless. It seems to be what the paid up members of the Tory party (nearly 40% of whom are in their 60’s or older) want to hear though.
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When you look at it most politicians are clowns but some are better at it than others, the Conservatives are in grave danger of knackering there party for sure if who ever is elected does not deliver Brexit which seems to be the main topic in question, I do not want Labour in No10 with Corbin in charge, yes we can have all these things then that the two prospective PM candidates are promising but Labour would just borrow more to appease the electorate and they have a track record over many years doing this then the Conservatives get back in power and have to try and salvage the mess Labour gets the country in, its like a giant roundabout with each taking turns but no one with a long term prosperity policy something always goes ■■■■ up, perhaps the Brexit party is the answer we all need but not Nigel as PM, Buzzer.

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Franglais:

cav551:
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So what is the common career choice of someone with a degree in economics? yes you’ve guessed it - Accountancy. We all know what happens when they start running affairs.

We know what happens when they ■■■■-up. That always gets publicity. The vast majority of well run companies use accountants,and so successfully. But that isn’t newsworthy, of course.

Thank you for bringing up the catastrophic disasters over which they have presided but I was referring to their every day influence over businesses. Influence, or rather control, which interferes with the smooth operation of the organisation. Control which for example cuts staff numbers to just below the bare minimum required. Control which for the sake of not being allowed to spend £100 results in a loss of sales many times that figure. Control which defines an operation as possible -even profitable- because a spreadsheet or algorithm answers Yes. Control which so demoralises key experienced members of staff that they leave. The employees or managers who not only know their own job or department backwards but can take over at a moment’s notice any one of half a dozen other roles. They leave because they are fed up with the everyday battles to operate under the constraints imposed and without the vital resources needed. Meanwhile other budget centres - perhaps corporate entertainment - have their perennial battle to find something to spend their allocated windfall upon.

To return to catastrophic financially influenced decisions just look at Boeing.

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Spardo:
It’s called a race to the bottom, and not Eddie’s hairy-arsed one either, but the pits, the absolute pit the country is going to languishing in for a long time to come.

The exchange rate of the £ against the € is less than 1.12 this morning, not that that bothers many of you apart from paying more for almost everything that arrives from abroad, but it does signify what a shambles the rest of the world thinks of Britain. Either of these 2 clowns will make it much worse, even if of course, they revert to type and deny everything they have said recently. :unamused:

Talking before thinking seems to be Boris’s weapon of choice. Followed by denial and bluster. This buffoon is going to be the UK’s next PM?

His appointment will confirm the UK as the comedy sideshow of world politics.

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Anyway, while you’re here Buzzer, what do you make of Hunt’s remarks about family firms going to the wall being fair collateral damage in order to achieve Brexit?

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dexxy57:
His appointment will confirm the UK as the comedy sideshow of world politics.

Or at the least, 2nd only to the clown running the show about 3,000 miles to the west. But 2nd fiddle, desperately clinging onto coat tails has been Britain’s role for a long time now. :unamused:

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dexxy57:
Anyway, while you’re here Buzzer, what do you make of Hunt’s remarks about family firms going to the wall being fair collateral damage in order to achieve Brexit?[/

Some will fail for sure but my boys have made some headway in preparation for Brexit already those who have done none may suffer but looking in from outside i believe trade will continue pretty much as before, both us and the other EU members need to trade with each other so as i see it not much will alter other than maybe generating more paperwork which is not needed especially in this day with the technoledgy available. We the general public dont know what is going to happen and during the last three years we have had loads of scaremongering alot of it just placked out of the sky, at the end of the day i would not be shocked if the whole thing was abandoned after spending copiouse ammounts of tax payers money unnecesarrily, like most i just want a result one way or another then perhaps we will all look back on this farce which will go down in history as one of the biggest cockups this country has ever endured, Buzzer.

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Buzzer:

dexxy57:
Anyway, while you’re here Buzzer, what do you make of Hunt’s remarks about family firms going to the wall being fair collateral damage in order to achieve Brexit?[/

Some will fail for sure but my boys have made some headway in preparation for Brexit already those who have done none may suffer but looking in from outside i believe trade will continue pretty much as before, both us and the other EU members need to trade with each other so as i see it not much will alter other than maybe generating more paperwork which is not needed especially in this day with the technoledgy available. We the general public dont know what is going to happen and during the last three years we have had loads of scaremongering alot of it just placked out of the sky, at the end of the day i would not be shocked if the whole thing was abandoned after spending copiouse ammounts of tax payers money unnecesarrily, like most i just want a result one way or another then perhaps we will all look back on this farce which will go down in history as one of the biggest cockups this country has ever endured, Buzzer.

Bloody hell, Buzzer, sounds a bit as if you are resigned to the possibility of Remain. :astonished:

Perhaps it might give you comfort to know that I am also resigned to the possibility…of Brexit. :cry:

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Buzzer:

dexxy57:
Anyway, while you’re here Buzzer, what do you make of Hunt’s remarks about family firms going to the wall being fair collateral damage in order to achieve Brexit?[/

Some will fail for sure but my boys have made some headway in preparation for Brexit already those who have done none may suffer but looking in from outside i believe trade will continue pretty much as before, both us and the other EU members need to trade with each other so as i see it not much will alter other than maybe generating more paperwork which is not needed especially in this day with the technoledgy available. We the general public dont know what is going to happen and during the last three years we have had loads of scaremongering alot of it just placked out of the sky, at the end of the day i would not be shocked if the whole thing was abandoned after spending copiouse ammounts of tax payers money unnecesarrily, like most i just want a result one way or another then perhaps we will all look back on this farce which will go down in history as one of the biggest cockups this country has ever endured, Buzzer.

There sure has been a lot of scaremongering, there’s also been a lot of promises, but, you’re right. Nobody knows what’s going to happen.
It just seems strange to me that an aspiring leader of ‘The Party of Business’ should be willing to see firms that have worked hard to become established be sacrificed for what is basically an idealogical cause.

I’ve never had the talent or drive, or even the courage to start a business, so hats off and respect to anyone who has, whether or not it was a success.
But to be told by a potential leader of the Tory party that your firm, your livelihood, your years of hard work and sacrifice could end in bankruptcy because of the blinkered gammon project that is Brexit would be hard to accept.
But, hey ho, that’s politics I suppose.

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Spardo:

dexxy57:
His appointment will confirm the UK as the comedy sideshow of world politics.

Or at the least, 2nd only to the clown running the show about 3,000 miles to the west. But 2nd fiddle, desperately clinging onto coat tails has been Britain’s role for a long time now. :unamused:

If only Spitting Image was still on the go. Then again, their writers could never come up with anything as funny as the things these two say in real life.

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(In case my previous post was misunderstood, Eddie wasn’t cynical in his assessment of the situation…
Just accurate.)

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dexxy57:

Spardo:

dexxy57:
His appointment will confirm the UK as the comedy sideshow of world politics.

Or at the least, 2nd only to the clown running the show about 3,000 miles to the west. But 2nd fiddle, desperately clinging onto coat tails has been Britain’s role for a long time now. :unamused:

If only Spitting Image was still on the go. Then again, their writers could never come up with anything as funny as the things these two say in real life.

Yes, but although I admit you can’t see them, Dead Ringers is having a whale of a time with the ‘circus’ on Radio 4. :smiley:

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dexxy57:
It just seems strange to me that an aspiring leader of ‘The Party of Business’ should be willing to see firms that have worked hard to become established be sacrificed for what is basically an idealogical cause.

I’ve never had the talent or drive, or even the courage to start a business, so hats off and respect to anyone who has, whether or not it was a success.
But to be told by a potential leader of the Tory party that your firm, your livelihood, your years of hard work and sacrifice could end in bankruptcy because of the blinkered gammon project that is Brexit would be hard to accept.
But, hey ho, that’s politics I suppose.

You mean yet another Tory Remainer making a false flag statement for the consumption of his Remainer followers.

Strange but no surprise,how you see a scam in which Brit industry and our economy is crippled in favour of German imports and subsidising the German economy,as being good for us.But hey ho that’s German Federalism and its quisling support here in action.

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Franglais:
(In case my previous post was misunderstood, Eddie wasn’t cynical in his assessment of the situation…
Just accurate.)

I say he was cynical, you say he wasn’t. Who knows?
Well, actually, I suppose Eddie knows. What about it Eddie? Was it cynicism?

Just in case I’M misunderstood Mr F, calling the post cynical wasn’t me being negative. Healthy cynicism can be very positive, which I thought was the case with Eddie’s post.

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dexxy57:

Franglais:
(In case my previous post was misunderstood, Eddie wasn’t cynical in his assessment of the situation…
Just accurate.)

I say he was cynical, you say he wasn’t. Who knows?
Well, actually, I suppose Eddie knows. What about it Eddie? Was it cynicism?

Just in case I’M misunderstood Mr F, calling the post cynical wasn’t me being negative. Healthy cynicism can be very positive, which I thought was the case with Eddie’s post.

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What you might describe as Eddie’s cynicism, I might call his accuracy in assessing the PM candidates?
But we are arguing over angels on pin heads here.
And although this situation would benefit from angelic intervention it seems unlikely.

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Spardo:

dexxy57:
His appointment will confirm the UK as the comedy sideshow of world politics.

Or at the least, 2nd only to the clown running the show about 3,000 miles to the west. But 2nd fiddle, desperately clinging onto coat tails has been Britain’s role for a long time now. :unamused:

No, it’s annoyed me to actually spend time thinking about it, but I think Boris could just about drag the UK into the number one spot. As a comedy turn he’s up there with Trump, but given the coat tails perspective, he’s always going to be seen on the world stage as Trump’s court jester. (Trump’s best friend in Boris’s mind).
At least Trump has power and influence.

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Franglais:

dexxy57:

Franglais:
(In case my previous post was misunderstood, Eddie wasn’t cynical in his assessment of the situation…
Just accurate.)

I say he was cynical, you say he wasn’t. Who knows?
Well, actually, I suppose Eddie knows. What about it Eddie? Was it cynicism?

Just in case I’M misunderstood Mr F, calling the post cynical wasn’t me being negative. Healthy cynicism can be very positive, which I thought was the case with Eddie’s post.

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What you might describe as Eddie’s cynicism, I might call his accuracy in assessing the PM candidates?
But we are arguing over angels on pin heads here.
And although this situation would benefit from angelic intervention it seems unlikely.

Arguing over angels on pinheads is as self-indulgent as it gets. This pedantic dispute stops now. Ok?

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Here’s the way that it is lads, I possess neither the intelligence, the education nor the necessary knowledge to set myself up as a political pundit, but in common with most people, I do have opinions on certain matters.

In the referendum on joining the common market back in the 70s, I voted no, but subsequently found myself in the minority… And the country joined.

The common market then morphed into the EEC then the EU, although to be fair, I wasn’t paying that much attention at the time, as I had the trifling matter of a mortgage to attend to.

In the referendum to leave the EU, I voted out, and for one of the very few times in my entire life, I found myself in a majority group…and guess what happened ?..buggerall !

If I’m being perfectly honest, on each of these occasions I can’t claim to have been fully aware of the implications that my vote may have influenced in either decision, but on the rare occasions that the electorate is given the opportunity to vote in a referendum, then the outcome of that referendum should be adhered to surely…is this not the essence of democracy ?, or have we adopted the slightly skewed American version of the word ? i.e., if ones reasoning doesn’t altogether align with the reasoning within the Oval Room, then that reasoning by default automatically becomes undemocratic.

I’m revealing my hand here…,but I’ve now reached the point where I don’t really give a flying ■■■■ whether we stay or go. :open_mouth: but sweet baby Jesus, let’s just get on and do one thing or the other FFS.

And with regard to Boris Johnson, well, I may possibly be doing the lad a disservice, and he may well prove to be the saviour of this country, although I seriously doubt it , but he needn’t be worried about any competition from me, as I’d be no good at the job. For one thing , his background is much better than mine, secondly, he’s far better educated than I am, and furthermore , I’m nowhere near as ambitious as he is.

But it’s a far cry from appearing as a tousle haired likeable buffoon on ’ Have I Got News For You ’ to putting ones name forward as credible prime minister…I mean, who would want a tousle haired buffoon as a political leader ?

Oh! hang on, I’d completely forgotten about that American bloke.

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Carryfast:

dexxy57:
It just seems strange to me that an aspiring leader of ‘The Party of Business’ should be willing to see firms that have worked hard to become established be sacrificed for what is basically an idealogical cause.

I’ve never had the talent or drive, or even the courage to start a business, so hats off and respect to anyone who has, whether or not it was a success.
But to be told by a potential leader of the Tory party that your firm, your livelihood, your years of hard work and sacrifice could end in bankruptcy because of the blinkered gammon project that is Brexit would be hard to accept.
But, hey ho, that’s politics I suppose.

You mean yet another Tory Remainer making a false flag statement for the consumption of his Remainer followers.

Strange but no surprise,how you see a scam in which Brit industry and our economy is crippled in favour of German imports and subsidising the German economy,as being good for us.But hey ho that’s German Federalism and its quisling support here in action.

Do you need to up the dosage on your meds?
Are you still taking them?