Grumpy Dad:
Buzzer:
The monkey has been eliminated just three chimps and Gorilla Boris left in the race to be PM, Buzzer.Rory Stewart reminds me of the startled look a rabbit gives you when it’s caught in your lights, hasn’t a clue what’s heading for it and doesn’t know which way to run.
Rory Stewart reminds me of a character out of a Wallace and Grommit film,I think it’s the mouth!
David
Laura Kuenssberg interviewed dear old Boris yesterday in an one to one and after several questions on how he intends to deal with Brexit and the country she tried to interrogate him on his private life but he was having none of that and I don’t blame him either, he stated that if he did do that he would just drag friends and family into the media which he has never done.
At the end of the day he does not have to as the gutter press and Hunt are doing there best to do that for him, funny it is that if you look up Laura Kuenssberg she is a very private person when it comes to her personal life so you would think she would have more nous than to try and get Boris to tell all. Most people want to here what his plans are if he gets to No10 to try and lead us out of this crap scenario our country is in, they don’t want dirt dished out to specifically foil his chances of being our next PM needless to say if he is successful there are apparently lots who want to have a vote of no confidence in him including some senior Conservative members what a sham, we are the laughing stock of the world right now and it does not look like there is going to be an easy way out of this situation we find ourselves in.
TM should have been more forthright from the off and just gone to Brussels and told them what we were going to do instead of mamby pamby talks and asking them what they wanted to happen, if she had done been more forthright we would be out by now and on our way but this has been a very long running & painfull saga and it aint over yet, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
TM should have been more forthright from the off and just gone to Brussels and told them what we were going to do instead of mamby pamby talks and asking them what they wanted to happen, if she had done been more forthright we would be out by now and on our way but this has been a very long running & painfull saga and it aint over yet, Buzzer.
You do know that TM was/is a Remainer and the definition of Unionist in the Con Party title IE Union = good Nationalism = Bad.Why would she and all the rest of that Federalist rabble want to do anything other than to derail Brexit at every opportunity.Which obviously includes the diversionary good cop act in the form of Boris and Gove etc etc.
With the jury being out regarding Raab and Davis in that regard IE resigned the job of Brexit secretary but not the Unionist Party whip in the form of their respective seats.Unsurprisingly having obviously been happy to join a Party which has been committed to the EU project since 1973.Just as expected of a pro Federalist,anti Nationalist,rabble.
I see that toynbee woman is getting ever more desperate, claiming Britain is a remain nation. You keep telling yourself that love.
cav551:
I see that toynbee woman is getting ever more desperate, claiming Britain is a remain nation. You keep telling yourself that love.
Don’t underestimate exactly what she’s saying in just relaying what all Remainers are thinking.The lines are becoming clear.With Remainers now predictably talking in terms of push coming to shove ( ‘rebel’ ).It’s easy to see all this escalating to the point where the EU calls on the ‘government’ to ‘act’ against the Brit Nationalist ‘extremists’ including the ‘offer’ of assistance of ‘EU’ ( German/Franco ) forces welcomed with open arms by the quisling EU fascists when they arrive on our streets.Ironically possibly far sooner than even I’d anticipated a generation or two down the line. 
While with HM obviously on ‘their’ side the country was probably lost almost 50 years ago in that regard.
Just a thought on this pleasant sunny Sunday, do any of you think that the split to leave as that to remain was greater lets say 65% to leave and 35% remain that it would have made any difference to the Brexit process as it is at the moment which appears to be stagnant which means its not moving and stinks plus a load of other things, cheers Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Just a thought on this pleasant sunny Sunday, do any of you think that the split to leave as that to remain was greater lets say 65% to leave and 35% remain that it would have made any difference to the Brexit process as it is at the moment which appears to be stagnant which means its not moving and stinks plus a load of other things, cheers Buzzer.
No it wouldn’t because the division between Federalist v Nationalist isn’t something which can be settled by a vote.On the basis that no one has the right to vote the country out of existence and handing it over to a foreign power and transfer of allegiance to that foreign power is unarguably treason.While Federalists view it as exactly the opposite IE leavers are the treasonous rebels.The problem in this case being that the handing over and allegiance to a foreign power in question goes up to head of state level.Which is why we are where we are in that we can’t leave the EU without the head of state being implicated in a treasonous act.You can then bet that if/when push comes to shove it will be the leave side who are branded as Nationalist Rebel extremists against the new de jure proto EU Federal state.
Ok, I’ve just read Jeremy Hunt sparks business anger with no-deal Brexit comment | Jeremy Hunt | The Guardian in todays papers. Doesn’t make much sense to me. Any of you ‘business men’ out there who’ve started companies and worked hard to make these companies grow over the years care to comment?
Buzzer:
Just a thought on this pleasant sunny Sunday, do any of you think that the split to leave as that to remain was greater lets say 65% to leave and 35% remain that it would have made any difference to the Brexit process as it is at the moment which appears to be stagnant which means its not moving and stinks plus a load of other things, cheers Buzzer.
I think Buzzer that the fact that its so fractured in any case scenario is what the problem is.If it was a case of 65/35(in or out) and they all stood to their guns,then that would be so much simpler.
The leave side being fractured into(a)leave with a deal(fractured into EFTA type or WTO type)
or (b)leave with no deal,(fractured into a “2 fingers” no deal,or bad deal of some other type)
the remain side being fractured into(a) stay
or (b) stay on certain terms
and then the major political parties fractured from within,either themselves,or Brexit related.
Put the whole lot into a pot and mix,and there are so many scenarios,then yes,stagnancy begins to seep through.
One thing most “outsiders” looking in,or maybe even insiders looking around are agreed on,is that it is one unholy mess.
Buzzer:
Just a thought on this pleasant sunny Sunday, do any of you think that the split to leave as that to remain was greater lets say 65% to leave and 35% remain that it would have made any difference to the Brexit process as it is at the moment which appears to be stagnant which means its not moving and stinks plus a load of other things, cheers Buzzer.
Buzzer, I didn’t think you had patches of ground on your “estate” like this !! Looks like a drainage plan of some sort is required to sort this ■■■■■ hole out Tut Tut ! Cheers Dennis PS is this where the “Boss” and you have your Pic Nics, down in Dingly Dell ? Hope you stop the Grand Kids from paddling in that ! 
I clearly recall that that ■■■■ Cameron told us that the result of the referendum was a once in a lifetime vote “in or out” and the decision would be respected ( provided it was a Remain result!!) Oh! no! the Proles have voted to Leave ! Well Leave won so why haven’t we left ? So much for Great Britain being the "cradle " of Democracy and the oldest Parliament in the World ! It looks like we are heading for a General election as the only means of possibly sorting out the difficulties we are in but unfortunately the Remainers will not even accept a GE result if it doesn’t go their way for a second time, and it won’t !! IMHO. Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Remainers will not even accept a GE result if it doesn’t go their way for a second time, and it won’t !! IMHO. Cheers Bewick.
Did you see what happened in majority Leave voting Peterborough.It will go their way because this time they’ll rig it properly.While even if it didn’t how can HM provide assent,to the annulment of a document of effectively Federation with a foreign power,on grounds of loss of sovereignty,that she signed us up to previously,without then implicating herself ?.
Today I see that Hunt has stated that if he is PM & the EU wont do further discussions on Brexit he will cease all attempts on the 30th of September and concentrate all his efforts on a no deal exit, funny how desperate he has become to be PM. While I think Boris is determined to leave and is just stringing along on the promise of if there is a deal to be had all well and good but he wants us out or are they all lying they are politicians after all, Buzzer.
PS. If the Conservatives don’t lead us out there party is dead for sure.
Buzzer, I don’t consider myself to be a clever bloke, I’m just an old, over the hill, redundant, hairy arsed ex wagon driver, not that far removed from the majority who frequent this forum in fact.
The difference between myself and many others though, may quite possibly be the fact that I gave up believing a word that this lying shower of scum spout years ago.
Speaking of Boris, and if I’m understanding the situation correctly, and to be honest, I’ve given up taking too much notice of late, but if my understanding is correct, this bloke appears to be promising increased public spending all over the place, whilst at the same time promising tax cuts .
Have I got that one right ?.. Maybe I missed something…now that’s eminently possible,
But if that in fact is the case, my question would be this, how the ■■■■ can he possibly pull that one off ?
Buzzer, please explain to me in simple language how that could work ? You’re a businessman Buzzer, so presumably you’re well versed in providing a decent service at reasonable rates, in fact your track record proves that much, but could you provide a vastly improved service at a much lower rate ?
This appears to me to be what Johnson is promising.
In my view the bloke’s all ■■■■ and wind, but then he’s in good company isn’t he ?
O.K. he’ll most likely take us out of the EU, on some ■■■■■■ deal or other very similar to the one that TM had rejected on multiple occasions.
Maybe I’m wrong, only time will tell, but I’ll admit, I’m not feeling over confident at this moment in time.
In fact, typing this is making me feel positively ■■■■■■■ suicidal.
Eddie Heaton:
Buzzer, I don’t consider myself to be a clever bloke, I’m just an old, over the hill, redundant, hairy arsed ex wagon driver, not that far removed from the majority who frequent this forum in fact.
The difference between myself and many others though, may quite possibly be the fact that I gave up believing a word that this lying shower of scum spout years ago.
Speaking of Boris, and if I’m understanding the situation correctly, and to be honest, I’ve given up taking too much notice of late, but if my understanding is correct, this bloke appears to be promising increased public spending all over the place, whilst at the same time promising tax cuts .
Have I got that one right ?.. Maybe I missed something…now that’s eminently possible,
But if that in fact is the case, my question would be this, how the [zb] can he possibly pull that one off ?
Buzzer, please explain to me in simple language how that could work ? You’re a businessman Buzzer, so presumably you’re well versed in providing a decent service at reasonable rates, in fact your track record proves that much, but could you provide a vastly improved service at a much lower rate ?
This appears to me to be what Johnson is promising.
In my view the bloke’s all ■■■■ and wind, but then he’s in good company isn’t he ?
O.K. he’ll most likely take us out of the EU, on some [zb] deal or other very similar to the one that TM had rejected on multiple occasions.
Maybe I’m wrong, only time will tell, but I’ll admit, I’m not feeling over confident at this moment in time.
In fact, typing this is making me feel positively [zb] suicidal.
Eddie, I don’t reckon I’m the brain of Britain either, but I think I know just how these buggers operate. They decide they want to become PM, promise us all the things we would really like to have, enough of “us” vote for them, and once they’re in No.10 they announce that this proposal and that promise will be either postponed (and then quietly forgotten) or cancelled “due to changing circumstances”. That’s how it seems it’s always been, and I can’t see any sign of it changing for the better.
There’s nothing in your post that I can find to disagree with Fodenway, in fact I’m quietly confident that most ordinary folk feel the same way.
Years of experience have left me with a healthy disrespect for the democratic election process in the so called birthplace of democracy.
Fifty odd years of voting doesn’t appear to have advanced my status much anyway. But in this particular instance, it isn’t " us " that’s doing the voting. What we have here is a situation where the elite are voting for the elite. So whichever way the cat jumps, we’ll end up with a prime minister that no ■■■■ voted for. Much as in the same way we ended up with the clown that gave away our gold reserves and bolloxed up everybody’s pensions.
I don’t much care who wins the race actually , although Boris Johnson appears to be favourite at the moment. But my advice to whoever inherits Theresa May’s crown would be this, don’t bother getting the decorators in at No 10, as , come the next general election, you’ll be out on your arse anyway…albeit with a nice index linked pension for life.
…That’s my prediction anyway… Let’s just wait and see how it all pans out eh ?
Eddie Heaton:
Years of experience have left me with a healthy disrespect for the democratic election process in the so called birthplace of democracy.
Fifty odd years of voting doesn’t appear to have advanced my status much anyway. But in this particular instance, it isn’t " us " that’s doing the voting. What we have here is a situation where the elite are voting for the elite. So whichever way the cat jumps, we’ll end up with a prime minister that no [zb] voted for. Much as in the same way we ended up with the clown that gave away our gold reserves and bolloxed up everybody’s pensions.
I don’t much care who wins the race actually , although Boris Johnson appears to be favourite at the moment. But my advice to whoever inherits Theresa May’s crown would be this, don’t bother getting the decorators in at No 10, as , come the next general election, you’ll be out on your arse anyway…albeit with a nice index linked pension for life.
…That’s my prediction anyway… Let’s just wait and see how it all pans out eh ?
Cynicism at its finest. Can’t disagree with you mate.
dexxy57:
Eddie Heaton:
Years of experience have left me with a healthy disrespect for the democratic election process in the so called birthplace of democracy.
Fifty odd years of voting doesn’t appear to have advanced my status much anyway. But in this particular instance, it isn’t " us " that’s doing the voting. What we have here is a situation where the elite are voting for the elite. So whichever way the cat jumps, we’ll end up with a prime minister that no [zb] voted for. Much as in the same way we ended up with the clown that gave away our gold reserves and bolloxed up everybody’s pensions.
I don’t much care who wins the race actually , although Boris Johnson appears to be favourite at the moment. But my advice to whoever inherits Theresa May’s crown would be this, don’t bother getting the decorators in at No 10, as , come the next general election, you’ll be out on your arse anyway…albeit with a nice index linked pension for life.
…That’s my prediction anyway… Let’s just wait and see how it all pans out eh ?Cynicism at its finest. Can’t disagree with you mate.
I strongly disagree.
That’s not being cynical at all…
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Both PM candidates are now trying to outdo each other in promising spending more and taxing less. It’s going some when even the Chancellor of their own party says it’s nonsense. Plus Hammond says a no-deal Brexit, they both are prepared for, would use anything that fell off the money tree!
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At this point ‘someone’ will be shouting “Of course Hammond would say that about the UK being financially worse after Brexit: he’s a remainer”!
I would argue that’s putting the cart before the horse: he was a remainer BECAUSE he believes the UK would be worse off after Brexit.
And his degree from Oxford includes studying Economics, (as did Hunt, another who was a remainer,) unlike Johnson who studied Classics, may mean he knows a little bit about that?
But we’ve had enough of “experts” haven’t we? Damned economists in the Exchequer, next thing we’ll get Doctors in hospitals and mechanics in garages! We need others in charge of our country’s finances: Redwood (history degree) Gove (English degree) and of course Johnson with his degree in foreign, ancient, fairy tales…
“What could possibly go wrong?”
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So what is the common career choice of someone with a degree in economics? yes you’ve guessed it - Accountancy. We all know what happens when they start running affairs.
cav551:
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So what is the common career choice of someone with a degree in economics? yes you’ve guessed it - Accountancy. We all know what happens when they start running affairs.
We know what happens when they ■■■■-up. That always gets publicity. The vast majority of well run companies use accountants,and so successfully. But that isn’t newsworthy, of course.
