My God Spardo your recall is amazing I wish our dog was as good as you on that count, anyways the fact is that we had a vote and the leavers won that which has been stated so many times on here its boring now having to repeat it. Should the remainer’s have won that referendum there would have been no fuss at all and despite what you say the most votes takes the prize in any election and it does not matter a toss where the " also rans " came even if you add them all together.
Do you think all those " also rans " should join forces under a new name to challenge the Brexit party, cant see that happening anytime soon, Buzzer.
PS. Corbin has announced he now wants a general election and another referendum, his birthday was yesterday and I don’t think he is going to get either of those.
Buzzer:
My God Spardo your recall is amazing I wish our dog was as good as you on that count, anyways the fact is that we had a vote and the leavers won that which has been stated so many times on here its boring now having to repeat it. Should the remainer’s have won that referendum there would have been no fuss at all and despite what you say the most votes takes the prize in any election and it does not matter a toss where the " also rans " came even if you add them all together.
Do you think all those " also rans " should join forces under a new name to challenge the Brexit party, cant see that happening anytime soon, Buzzer.
Blimey, you think I have good recall, I only read it this morning, how old do you think I am? 
I do take issue with you on at least one point though. If the Remainers had won the ref I have no doubt that the Leavers would be making just as much fuss as is happening now.
As regards joining together to challenge the Brexit party, if it was a referendum there would be no need, the Remainers would all be voting the same way and, if in the same numbers as on Thursday, would win the vote.
If you are talking about a GE and 1st past the post, nobody knows. The chances are that nobody would trust Farage as he might be seen as a one issue politician and may not be able to run a government. Maybe they would, I don’t know, but maybe Labour could get rid of their clown and storm forward with someone who had a bit of nouse.
However, as I said a little earlier, I can’t think of a single politician of any party who is worthy of running the country, so the field is wide open you might say. 
Please feel free to disagree with me, ( as if such an invitation were necessary), but if I’m understanding the situation correctly, this country still appears to be more or less equally divided between leavers and remainers…would this be correct?
If this is in fact the case, then it seems to me that logically the only possible future course of action would be to either have a second referendum, thereby rendering the first one an exercise in futility, or hold a general election in which the hopeful candidates would base their rhetoric on either leaving the EU without a deal, or abandoning the idea entirely and remaining .
That’s what it appears to have been rendered down to as far as I can see.
But then I live in Wigan you understand, and quite a number of us around these parts are thicker than pigshit, so I would appreciate any of your views regarding my interpretation of the current situation.
Not that I give a ■■■■ about the eventual outcome as it happens, as first off, I’m past caring and secondly, I’m also of the opinion that the entire government arrived here from the planet Tinytodger many years ago with the specific intention of ■■■■■■■ the country over, and that voting is their form of religion. I.e., you may believe in it, but don’t expect it to happen in your lifetime.
Nice one Eddie.
Strange days ain’t it?
After most general elections the winning party try to enact their campaign promises, but real life, opposition etc ("Events, dear boy, events) get in the way. Few years down the line the policies are diluted, some get through, and the country rubs along. That’s how UK society mostly got along.
This time it seems both sides are becoming ever more polarized. Some previously soft leavers now want out at any cost. Some remainers who were prepared to accept a well managed Brexit, are now looking at a slow motion crash, and are distinctly unhappy.
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I don’t see any easy way out of where we are. There are exits of course, but all come with high price tags.
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Buzzer:
There has been a lot thinking like you over here and when interviewed all they say is if you compare the votes cast in different parties and add up all those anti Brexit votes the total is greater than the Brexit party itself but to me that means nought as when you have a election vote there is only one winner and that is the first past the post with the greatest amount of votes and in this EU election Farage and his party were victorious pretty amazing as they only formed six weeks ago.
Waiting to see what the temperature is this coming week when they all go back to Whitehall and how TM who has finally resigned will mange the decimation of the Conservative party and also what will Labour do with Corbin as both the leaders of the Cons and Lib Dems have resigned, will he make it a trio, Buzzer.
Blimey you really are deluded if you don’t see the significance of the ‘combined’ remain vote assuming that we’re going to allow the country to be handed over to a foreign power by a vote of whatever type.First past the post means nothing if you’ve got a cross party alliance/coalition among MP’s and their voters on any issue.
Which is why we are where we are regardless of TBP’s pathetic share,of an around 40% or less turnout.Probably now facing the even worse situation of a strengthened encouraged remain agenda and a smashed UKIP with loads of now alienated couldn’t care less ex members and supporters including the far better,now gone,leadership offered by Batten. 
While as to whether giving away the country should ever have been allowed to be one for a vote is the real question here.Good luck with thinking that Farage is the answer to that as opposed to the realisation having dawned on Batten that the problem is at Head of State level and among his supporters that Farage’s circus,like the bs referendum he over saw,is just controlled opposition as part of the diversion from that fact.
Buzzer:
PS. Corbin has announced he now wants a general election and another referendum, his birthday was yesterday and I don’t think he is going to get either of those.
I wouldn’t bet on him not getting his second referendum at least.The question then being what happens when remain conveniently win it 70/30 on a dodgy 40% or less turnout.Will the result then be equally conveniently binding unlike the first.This really isn’t going to have a happy ending.
Eddie Heaton:
Please feel free to disagree with me, ( as if such an invitation were necessary), but if I’m understanding the situation correctly, this country still appears to be more or less equally divided between leavers and remainers…would this be correct?
No it actually looks like the remainers have a considerable majority now that they’ve sorted out how to ‘lose’ enough Leave votes and rig the turnout figure to suit and Farage has done his job of ■■■■■■■ off enough of the UKIP vote to say who cares let Juncker take the place.Including its leader.
Eddie Heaton:
Please feel free to disagree with me, ( as if such an invitation were necessary), but if I’m understanding the situation correctly, this country still appears to be more or less equally divided between leavers and remainers…would this be correct?
If this is in fact the case, then it seems to me that logically the only possible future course of action would be to either have a second referendum, thereby rendering the first one an exercise in futility, or hold a general election in which the hopeful candidates would base their rhetoric on either leaving the EU without a deal, or abandoning the idea entirely and remaining .
That’s what it appears to have been rendered down to as far as I can see.
But then I live in Wigan you understand, and quite a number of us around these parts are thicker than pigshit, so I would appreciate any of your views regarding my interpretation of the current situation.
Not that I give a [zb] about the eventual outcome as it happens, as first off, I’m past caring and secondly, I’m also of the opinion that the entire government arrived here from the planet Tinytodger many years ago with the specific intention of [zb] the country over, and that voting is their form of religion. I.e., you may believe in it, but don’t expect it to happen in your lifetime.
Eddie firstly we are supposed to be a democratic nation but I am afraid that has flown out the window, we have had a vote and before anyone starts I for one knew exactly what I was voting for when my cross went in the leave box and back then I don’t remember a box with DEAL in it there was a choice leave or remain and that was it plain and simple, those who now say they did not know what was entailed well in my opinion if you are not sure about something check it out thoroughly before making your mark this is common sense and the fact of the matter is the vote never went the way the government thought it would oh dear never under estimate the enemy.
Secondly this Euro vote should have never taken place after all we are due to leave at the end of October are we not and that is with a DEAL or not but then we have been there before haven’t we, these elections cost a great deal of money to put on so what was the point. The only thing in my eyes is that it showed the two main parties that the electorate are fed up with this constant indecision and want action what ever way it is to be.
Next if you look at this countries figures of recent times we are enjoying record levels of employment and business is on the up and GDP so we must be doing something right and this with all this while all this Brexit crap going on. The EU is really one big blood letting exercise like a huge leach sucking money out of our coffers which would be better spent here in blighty not subsidising another bankrupt memberS of the EU which there are several at present, its no good keep bailing them out when they have no hope of ever repaying there debts like chucking money in a furnace.
While our government are every day entrenched trying to sort a way out of this Brexit mess they are not attending to matters of more consequence here at home and this needs to be rectified ASAP as this causes even more discontent within the population at home, the EU machine being a massive money wasting machine of mostly unelected persons riding on the big gravy train and milking it for all there worth.
Summing up I really do hope that IF we are successful in departing that the whole EU is dissolved and I believe that this will happen in the not to distant future, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Summing up I really do hope that IF we are successful in departing that the whole EU is dissolved and I believe that this will happen in the not to distant future, Buzzer
There’s more chance that the remainers are going to get their way and of a Brit EU Federal force being used to enthusiastically put down a Nationalist rebellion either in Europe or at home at some point in the ‘future’ who knows when.Hope I’m no longer around to see it.
Buzzer:
Eddie Heaton:
Please feel free to disagree with me, ( as if such an invitation were necessary), but if I’m understanding the situation correctly, this country still appears to be more or less equally divided between leavers and remainers…would this be correct?
If this is in fact the case, then it seems to me that logically the only possible future course of action would be to either have a second referendum, thereby rendering the first one an exercise in futility, or hold a general election in which the hopeful candidates would base their rhetoric on either leaving the EU without a deal, or abandoning the idea entirely and remaining .
That’s what it appears to have been rendered down to as far as I can see.
But then I live in Wigan you understand, and quite a number of us around these parts are thicker than pigshit, so I would appreciate any of your views regarding my interpretation of the current situation.
Not that I give a [zb] about the eventual outcome as it happens, as first off, I’m past caring and secondly, I’m also of the opinion that the entire government arrived here from the planet Tinytodger many years ago with the specific intention of [zb] the country over, and that voting is their form of religion. I.e., you may believe in it, but don’t expect it to happen in your lifetime.
Eddie firstly we are supposed to be a democratic nation but I am afraid that has flown out the window, we have had a vote and before anyone starts I for one knew exactly what I was voting for when my cross went in the leave box and back then I don’t remember a box with DEAL in it there was a choice leave or remain and that was it plain and simple, those who now say they did not know what was entailed well in my opinion if you are not sure about something check it out thoroughly before making your mark this is common sense and the fact of the matter is the vote never went the way the government thought it would oh dear never under estimate the enemy.
Secondly this Euro vote should have never taken place after all we are due to leave at the end of October are we not and that is with a DEAL or not but then we have been there before haven’t we, these elections cost a great deal of money to put on so what was the point. The only thing in my eyes is that it showed the two main parties that the electorate are fed up with this constant indecision and want action what ever way it is to be.
Next if you look at this countries figures of recent times we are enjoying record levels of employment and business is on the up and GDP so we must be doing something right and this with all this while all this Brexit crap going on. The EU is really one big blood letting exercise like a huge leach sucking money out of our coffers which would be better spent here in blighty not subsidising another bankrupt memberS of the EU which there are several at present, its no good keep bailing them out when they have no hope of ever repaying there debts like chucking money in a furnace.
While our government are every day entrenched trying to sort a way out of this Brexit mess they are not attending to matters of more consequence here at home and this needs to be rectified ASAP as this causes even more discontent within the population at home, the EU machine being a massive money wasting machine of mostly unelected persons riding on the big gravy train and milking it for all there worth.
Summing up I really do hope that IF we are successful in departing that the whole EU is dissolved and I believe that this will happen in the not to distant future, Buzzer
Absolutely spot on buzzer, the results from this vote are quite conclusive with the Brexit party getting the lions share, even though the others are trying to be bullish about the outcome, those being the party run by a confused old man who should be in a home by now, and the greens hoovering up a few virtue signalling middle class votes.
Carryfast:
Spardo:
Here in France, the Liberals lost narrowly to the Nationalists, but unlike in Britain, the Nationalists of Europe are not generally campaigning for exit from the EU, more interested in reforming it from within.
Yes but as we know the ‘EU’ ain’t the same thing as a Confedration of Sovereign States and,from your Federalist point of view,the spectre of a ‘reformed’ Confederal Europe made up of sovereign Nation States,with the National right of opt out and substitution over every decision,is an even wore nightmare than Brexit.
Which in our case proves nothing except that the UK is as expected an inherently Federalist institution with a schizophrenic type anti Federalist side which will never over come the former without firstly smashing the Conservative Federalist Party followed by creating a Confederal UK.Then we ‘might’ just stand a chance of joining the European Nationalists in going for a Confederal Europe.
Which was UKIP’s biggest mistake in thinking that it could create a hybrid of UK Federalism and EU anti Federalism in isolation from the rest of Europe and the European Nationalist movement and,unfortunately now for the country,it paid the price.
That sounds like a Fourth Reich to me. A union of far right parties in control.
As for the rest of your post. Any chance of re-posting it in understandable English?
Back to advanced schooling for you Heinz and if you cannot understand CF’s posts why bother reading them but must admit they are a bit deep at times for the ordinary bloke to understand and as for France in the Euro elections I have read that Le Pens far right who have been accused of all sorts came out top dog with 23.31% of the vote against Macrons Centrist party with 22.41% but if we do leave with Brexit they end up with 23 seats each, I am sure our own top dog Spardo will correct these figures if I am wrong, Buzzer.
I reckon to be a no BS Bloke, “a spade is a shovel” ! and I recall quite clearly that that ■■■■ Cameron and his Hobo George “whats his name” telling us quite clearly that the Referendum was a once in a lifetime vote and whichever way it went that is what it will be and the result would be honoured and DELIVERED !
Not that those two “J Arthur’s” thought for one moment that the result would be LEAVE ! Oh! ■■■■ me no! the ■■■■■ have voted the wrong way !
Cameron and Osborne quickly exited “stage left” ! However, I know what I voted for and it wasn’t for 3 years of balls aching whining from the Loser Remainers so lets just get on and LEAVE ASAP ! The vote was a clear victory no if’s no buts ! Cheers Bewick.
I’d just like to say a few words in support of Carryfast if I may.
I’ve attempted to make sense of his posts on more than one occasion, and although I’m convinced that he’s more often than not talking perfect sense, his apparent inability to punctuate has frequently caused me to abort the attempt mid paragraph. And by the way, I don’t consider myself to be a professor in English.
So if you’re reading this CF, no offence intended mate, but if you could just insert a few commas, an occasional space and the odd full stop or two into your dialogue, then you could probably increase your readership by a factor of 10 or more.
Seriously, I’m not having a dig, just consider it as being constructive criticism.
On reflection, I probably shouldn’t have posted my last comment as it could arguably be construed as being a little disrespectful. Not that this was my intention you understand, but as we are all no doubt aware, a bottle of Pinot Noir can often have the ability to impair ones better judgement.
So I offer my apologies…but then again…’ In Vino Veritas '.
Eddie Heaton:
On reflection, I probably shouldn’t have posted my last comment as it could arguably be construed as being a little disrespectful. Not that this was my intention you understand, but as we are all no doubt aware, a bottle of Pinot Noir can often have the ability to impair ones better judgement.
So I offer my apologies…but then again…’ In Vino Veritas '.
No need for an apology Eddie.
With or without a bottle of wine inside you, his posts are complete BS.
Nothing disrespectful about that what you said. No amount of correct grammar could salvage the inane ramblings he constantly spouts.
Oh wait, didn’t that stinking ■■■■ Juncker make the same point about the Yugoslav Militia while referring to the selling of our de facto nation by Heath and Her Majesty while at the same time setting up a de jure Fourth Reich under the Mississippi flag without even consulting Shore or Benn?
That ended well.
Buzzer:
… as for France in the Euro elections I have read that Le Pens far right who have been accused of all sorts came out top dog with 23.31% of the vote against Macrons Centrist party with 22.41% but if we do leave with Brexit they end up with 23 seats each, I am sure our own top dog Spardo will correct these figures if I am wrong, Buzzer.
Not sure about the number of seats but the percentages sound about right. Macron’s alliance is the French version of the LibDems and Le Pen’s is the old far right National Front. Macron is a keen European (so guess who I voted for 
) and Le Pen
has watered down her EU opposition to join with most nationalist parties in Europe who prefer to stay in and reform from within. Something many Brexiteers seem to find hard to comprehend.
I haven’t done a complete study but the only openly anti EU parties that I know of, Freedom in Holland and Frexit in France, were annihilated in the recent election. That should tell you all you need to know.
Spardo:
Buzzer:
… as for France in the Euro elections I have read that Le Pens far right who have been accused of all sorts came out top dog with 23.31% of the vote against Macrons Centrist party with 22.41% but if we do leave with Brexit they end up with 23 seats each, I am sure our own top dog Spardo will correct these figures if I am wrong, Buzzer.
Not sure about the number of seats but the percentages sound about right. Macron’s alliance is the French version of the LibDems and Le Pen’s is the old far right National Front. Macron is a keen European (so guess who I voted for ) and Le Pen
has watered down her EU opposition to join with most nationalist parties in Europe who prefer to stay in and reform from within. Something many Brexiteers seem to find hard to comprehend.
I haven’t done a complete study but the only openly anti EU parties that I know of, Freedom in Holland and Frexit in France, were annihilated in the recent election. That should tell you all you need to know.
As I understand it the numbers Le Penn has 23 seats & Macron 22 but if we leave they will have 23 each, not sure how that works but that is what I read, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
… as for France in the Euro elections I have read that Le Pens far right who have been accused of all sorts came out top dog with 23.31% of the vote against Macrons Centrist party with 22.41% but if we do leave with Brexit they end up with 23 seats each, I am sure our own top dog Spardo will correct these figures if I am wrong, Buzzer.
Not sure about the number of seats but the percentages sound about right. Macron’s alliance is the French version of the LibDems and Le Pen’s is the old far right National Front. Macron is a keen European (so guess who I voted for ) and Le Pen
has watered down her EU opposition to join with most nationalist parties in Europe who prefer to stay in and reform from within. Something many Brexiteers seem to find hard to comprehend.
I haven’t done a complete study but the only openly anti EU parties that I know of, Freedom in Holland and Frexit in France, were annihilated in the recent election. That should tell you all you need to know.
As I understand it the numbers Le Penn has 23 seats & Macron 22 but if we leave they will have 23 each, not sure how that works but that is what I read, Buzzer.
I ‘read’ in 2016 that if we vote ‘leave’
We’ll hold all the cards,
We’ll have a good deal with th EU
We’ll trade with the US
Etc etc.
Dunno how that works?..
Well… it doesn’t.
Don’t believe everything you read Buzzer.
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Franglais:
Buzzer:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
… as for France in the Euro elections I have read that Le Pens far right who have been accused of all sorts came out top dog with 23.31% of the vote against Macrons Centrist party with 22.41% but if we do leave with Brexit they end up with 23 seats each, I am sure our own top dog Spardo will correct these figures if I am wrong, Buzzer.
Not sure about the number of seats but the percentages sound about right. Macron’s alliance is the French version of the LibDems and Le Pen’s is the old far right National Front. Macron is a keen European (so guess who I voted for ) and Le Pen
has watered down her EU opposition to join with most nationalist parties in Europe who prefer to stay in and reform from within. Something many Brexiteers seem to find hard to comprehend.
I haven’t done a complete study but the only openly anti EU parties that I know of, Freedom in Holland and Frexit in France, were annihilated in the recent election. That should tell you all you need to know.
As I understand it the numbers Le Penn has 23 seats & Macron 22 but if we leave they will have 23 each, not sure how that works but that is what I read, Buzzer.
I ‘read’ in 2016 that if we vote ‘leave’
We’ll hold all the cards,
We’ll have a good deal with th EU
We’ll trade with the US
Etc etc.
Dunno how that works?..
Well… it doesn’t.
Don’t believe everything you read Buzzer.
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Mebe we would have had all those things if democracy ruled but i am afraid it has left our shores at this present time, we live in hope, Buzzer.