Bewick:
From what I understand Scotland is similar to Ireland in that their main customer, by a country mile, for their goods, is ENGLAND ! whether Veradkar or Ma Kranky care to acknowledged the fact. They both must have suicidal tendencies because if ENGLAND turned off their “tap” they would soon be destitute, no danger ! Why should England stand quietly by and take [zb] off these two comedians ! They should realise which side of their bread is buttered and give England the due respect it deserves. I realise I might draw some incoming fire from the EU Zealots but facts are facts which they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge and of course we could if necessary replace everything we import from these two peripheral, dependant, pygmy countries ! Cheers Bewick.
and there in 1 post is why around half of Scots would relish independence, the usual arrogance of our neighbours, maybe we should just wander off with our tvs, our telephones, our penicillin, our fridges, our steam engines, our pneumatic tyres, our flushing toilets, oh and ironically the bank of England, the little Englanders love to plunder from their neighbours.
Personally I would like independence from the SE of England think the rest of us would manage far better if we set the home counties adrift.
Problem is, Blackbart, if you did only that you’d still be left with Bewick.
I’d figured that already spardo, there are idiots everywhere, no way of setting a safe perimeter
How many of us have heard of H.L. Mencken? I hadnt until today, when I looked at the origin of a favourite saying I use. Its a saying I find very appropriate to the Brexit debate, and there are many tweeks and variations to it, to render it better suited to differing situations, but here it is in its original 1920s context:
[There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®]
(There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®)
“Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil.”
So we have unemployment and immigration worries, Brexit will fix it. Lack of investment in housing and health, Brexit will fix it. Growing inequality in wealth between rich and poor, young and old, north and south, Brexit will fix it. Too much or too little trade barriers and rules, Brexit will fix it.
For every difficult problem, there is always a simple solution…
that is wrong.
No one says that the EU is perfect, but in the real world that we live in, simply leaving the EU will fix nothing. It will introduce as many or more new problems as it promised to cure.
Franglais:
How many of us have heard of H.L. Mencken? I hadnt until today, when I looked at the origin of a favourite saying I use. Its a saying I find very appropriate to the Brexit debate, and there are many tweeks and variations to it, to render it better suited to differing situations, but here it is in its original 1920s context:
[There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®]
(There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®)
“Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil.”
So we have unemployment and immigration worries, Brexit will fix it. Lack of investment in housing and health, Brexit will fix it. Growing inequality in wealth between rich and poor, young and old, north and south, Brexit will fix it. Too much or too little trade barriers and rules, Brexit will fix it.
For every difficult problem, there is always a simple solution…
that is wrong.
No one says that the EU is perfect, but in the real world that we live in, simply leaving the EU will fix nothing. It will introduce as many or more new problems as it promised to cure.
Well I have Franglais, the late Alistair Cook in his Letters from America years ago used to quote him all the time and part of your quote above ‘Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong’ is the signature line of someone in an English language French forum I frequent.
But I have never studied him myself, aware that, while he said some wise things he was also flawed being an anti semite and racist. Even more flawed in my view is the fact that, a widely read satirist on many subjects, he nevertheless confined his racism to his private diary, never published it.
Spardo:
Well I have Franglais, the late Alistair Cook in his Letters from America years ago used to quote him all the time and part of your quote above ‘Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong’ is the signature line of someone in an English language French forum I frequent.
But I have never studied him myself, aware that, while he said some wise things he was also flawed being an anti semite and racist. Even more flawed in my view is the fact that, a widely read satirist on many subjects, he nevertheless confined his racism to his private diary, never published it.
Ill agree with all of that. I was just looking for the origin of that quote when I found him, and havent looked much deeper.
Yep, just because he said some clever and thoughtful things, it doesnt mean all of his opinions were valid. I can almost hear another contributor typing now, telling me that since I quoted Menchen on this subject, I must also believe in X,Y and Z! I know you wouldnt do that however.
Franglais:
Ill agree with all of that. I was just looking for the origin of that quote when I found him, and havent looked much deeper.
Yep, just because he said some clever and thoughtful things, it doesnt mean all of his opinions were valid. I can almost hear another contributor typing now, telling me that since I quoted Menchen on this subject, I must also believe in X,Y and Z! I know you wouldnt do that however.
You’re right, I wouldn’t, but you’ve set me off. I said I had never studied him, and I haven’t, but I have done a bit of Googling .
A couple of, to me now, humerous quotes for you:
On the American Presidency he said:
'As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
An anti religionist, and anti marriage believer, he did marry and not only that married an Alabaman woman. A state that he had derided along with the rest of The South:
'In 1931 the Arkansas legislature passed a motion to pray for Mencken’s soul after he had called the state the “apex of moronia.”
'As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
Bewick:
. . . there’s nothing that comes out of the EU that we couldn’t live without ( and obtain, more cheaply, from elsewhere) ! Bewick.
Care to give us some examples?
BMW and Mercedes that’s two to start with.
While you’re the one making the case for us to dissolve the country and make it a vassal state of an illegal undeclared Federation trying to take over Europe.So maybe you can now provide us with your ‘examples’.
Bewick:
From what I understand Scotland is similar to Ireland in that their main customer, by a country mile, for their goods, is ENGLAND ! whether Veradkar or Ma Kranky care to acknowledged the fact. They both must have suicidal tendencies because if ENGLAND turned off their “tap” they would soon be destitute, no danger ! Why should England stand quietly by and take [zb] off these two comedians ! They should realise which side of their bread is buttered and give England the due respect it deserves. I realise I might draw some incoming fire from the EU Zealots but facts are facts which they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge and of course we could if necessary replace everything we import from these two peripheral, dependant, pygmy countries ! Cheers Bewick.
Probably the funniest thing you’ve written. English arrogance at its finest.
Franglais:
How many of us have heard of H.L. Mencken? I hadnt until today, when I looked at the origin of a favourite saying I use. Its a saying I find very appropriate to the Brexit debate, and there are many tweeks and variations to it, to render it better suited to differing situations, but here it is in its original 1920s context:
[There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®]
(There Is Always a Well-Known Solution to Every Human Problem—Neat, Plausible, and Wrong – Quote Investigator®)
“Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil.”
So we have unemployment and immigration worries, Brexit will fix it. Lack of investment in housing and health, Brexit will fix it. Growing inequality in wealth between rich and poor, young and old, north and south, Brexit will fix it. Too much or too little trade barriers and rules, Brexit will fix it.
For every difficult problem, there is always a simple solution…
that is wrong.
No one says that the EU is perfect, but in the real world that we live in, simply leaving the EU will fix nothing. It will introduce as many or more new problems as it promised to cure.
Yes and the casualties of numerous wars of Federal aggression throughout history,ironically including the US ‘civil’ war,prove that Federalism is just about a wrong as it gets.In being a murderous dictatorial solution to a non existent problem.
'As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
You mean your idea of ‘democracy’ being a gerrymandered foreign mandate imposed across whole continents.Just so long as it agrees with your own views.As for a lofty ideal yeah right an ideal which Stalin among other tin pot megalomaniacs from Lincoln to Tito ran with.Son of a ■■■■ Juncker being the latest.
Bewick:
. . . there’s nothing that comes out of the EU that we couldn’t live without ( and obtain, more cheaply, from elsewhere) ! Bewick.
Care to give us some examples?
I think Bewick does have a bit of a point there.
Instead of buying Mercedes, BMW, and other cars we could import more TATA cars?
Instead of buying Volvo and Scania trucks we could import Hinos?
Instead of importing chicken meat that meets our current hygiene and welfare standards we could import cheaper US produce fed on anti-biotics in crowded sheds?
All these things are possible in the future. We can certainly live with worse food and goods in the future, of course we can. We can decimate our domestic agricultural industry with cheap imports if we vote to.
We survived the hardship at the end of WW2. We can overcome adversity again if we all pull together. With a positive attitude we can eventually get past all of these setbacks.
`ing stupid to actually CHOOSE to do all of that however!
'As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
Sadly, he’s not a moron. He’s the President. It really happened. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
Bewick:
. . . there’s nothing that comes out of the EU that we couldn’t live without ( and obtain, more cheaply, from elsewhere) ! Bewick.
Care to give us some examples?
I think Bewick does have a bit of a point there.
Instead of buying Mercedes, BMW, and other cars we could import more TATA cars?
Instead of buying Volvo and Scania trucks we could import Hinos?
Instead of importing chicken meat that meets our current hygiene and welfare standards we could import cheaper US produce fed on anti-biotics in crowded sheds?
All these things are possible in the future. We can certainly live with worse food and goods in the future, of course we can. We can decimate our domestic agricultural industry with cheap imports if we vote to.
We survived the hardship at the end of WW2. We can overcome adversity again if we all pull together. With a positive attitude we can eventually get past all of these setbacks.
`ing stupid to actually CHOOSE to do all of that however!
That kind of sums things up. Especially the ‘choosing’ bit.
Franglais:
I think Bewick does have a bit of a point there.
Instead of buying Mercedes, BMW, and other cars we could import more TATA cars?
Instead of buying Volvo and Scania trucks we could import Hinos?
Instead of importing chicken meat that meets our current hygiene and welfare standards we could import cheaper US produce fed on anti-biotics in crowded sheds?
All these things are possible in the future. We can certainly live with worse food and goods in the future, of course we can. We can decimate our domestic agricultural industry with cheap imports if we vote to.
We survived the hardship at the end of WW2. We can overcome adversity again if we all pull together. With a positive attitude we can eventually get past all of these setbacks.
`ing stupid to actually CHOOSE to do all of that however!
Or we could locally manufacture Kenworths just like the Australians do while at least providing Jaguar with a captive market for cars here can only help employment at home.
That’s a lot better than your stinking agenda of let’s sell out the country to EU vassalage to be ruled by people like zb Juncker and living under the jackboot of your stinking EU flag.As for importing BMW and Mercs great for those who aren’t lumbered with the austerity needed to pay for the resulting trade deficit black hole.But if Juncker and Blair says it’s good for us it must be true.
'As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
Sadly, he’s not a moron. He’s the President. It really happened. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
Oh look Soviet Socialists suddenly hate Federalism if/when the President goes off message and doesn’t agree with the Stalinist version.
Meanwhile look on the bright side if he was the real deal the US constitution would have been changed back to a Confederation of Sovereign States by now.Then your lot can all live in California and Texans can get their country back to be ruled by Texas for example.
Bewick:
. . . there’s nothing that comes out of the EU that we couldn’t live without ( and obtain, more cheaply, from elsewhere) ! Bewick.
Care to give us some examples?
I think Bewick does have a bit of a point there.
Instead of buying Mercedes, BMW, and other cars we could import more TATA cars?
Instead of buying Volvo and Scania trucks we could import Hinos?
Instead of importing chicken meat that meets our current hygiene and welfare standards we could import cheaper US produce fed on anti-biotics in crowded sheds?
All these things are possible in the future. We can certainly live with worse food and goods in the future, of course we can. We can decimate our domestic agricultural industry with cheap imports if we vote to.
We survived the hardship at the end of WW2. We can overcome adversity again if we all pull together. With a positive attitude we can eventually get past all of these setbacks.
`ing stupid to actually CHOOSE to do all of that however!
Hey up mate you should not worry too much about imports of inferior food as 50% of the population eat crap food here day in day out and the sad thing is they would not even relish a meat and three veg dinner, sad but they say its because they are too busy to bother to cook properly as they do not have the time but then spend a couple of hours on a screen of some sort whiling away there lives.
As for broiler production the old ckook houses in the UK are pretty crowded here in this country as well, all in the name of cheap super market prices, Buzzer.
And so far,at a cost of £4 billion and rising,nothing achieved.
Did you see P&O plan to sue the Gov after failing Graylings hand out of 33 million to Eurotunnel.
Your tax money being well spent to take back control .
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