Nice bloke, remain or leave do we need him. Harvey.
Bewick:
what an absolute ■■■■■■ that Irish PM is because “Frau Leader Hosen” has paid him a half day visit today ! What a Gob [zb] he really is trying to preach to us in the UK. The UK could choke off his economy in an instant by closing the Ferry Ports and stopping their imports to the UK which I believe account for 75% of their exports ! He should show a bit more respect to the hand that feeds him
Which hand feeds the UK?
bbc.com/news/uk-47401160
“the UK imports about 30% of its food from the EU”
“The UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex calculated that an average tariff of 44.6% on dairy could translate to a price rise of 8.1%.
Meat could rise in price by 5.8%, oils and fats by 7.8% and vegetables by 4% on average.”
“Businesses could choose to import more products like meat and dairy from outside the EU if that became more competitive.
The idea of lowering tariffs on imported goods which the UK also produces has worried farmers, who fear a flood of cheap imported food putting them out of business.
In response, the government has said it will not impose zero-rate tariffs on food imports.
It will have to balance the interests of consumers, who want to see their food prices kept low, with those of farmers and growers, when setting the tariff rates.”
Doesnt matter what facts or figures are printed Franglais.Some people simply wont accept an alternative viewpoint to theirs.Agree to disagree,with respect,doesn`t seem to be in certain vocabularies.As I have stated before,in my opinion,the UK will be hurt by Brexit.As will every other member of the EU,individually and collectively.Only difference is,their(our)hurt is being caused by outside forces,whereas UKs hurt will be self imposed.
Interesting that the police chiefs/heads asked for all parties to use more considered language the other day,in relation to Brexit.Words like traitors/treason etc,should not be used.
Did anyone hear the haulier on BBC4 the other morning giving his weeks work?
6 days,6 trailers from a NE port.
All 6, high value imports.
I think 2 shipped back with baled waste,the other 4 went back to EU empty.
The empire is gone lads,accept it.
Seems to me that a lot of posters talk of the “corrupt” and “undemocratic” EU Parliament, yet seem to have little knowledge of how it actually works.
The way it is organised is certainly very different to the UK system, and isn`t comfortable to those who favour our “first past the post” system.
But is it so much worse than our own system?
In the UK Parliament we have zero UKIP members, Douglas Carswell left UKIP to become an Independent.
Zero representatives for a national vote of about 12%. Not very democratic methinks.
In the EU Parliament there are 9 UKIP MEPs, out of 73 total for the UK. (about 12%) Much nearer the true wishes of the people surely? Much more democratic isn`t it?
Many talk disparagingly of the UnElected EU Commissioners. Yet seem comfortable with our own UnElected Chamber the House of Lords?
EU Commissioners have no voting rights. They are replaced every 5 years, but could be voted out beforehand by 2/3rds vote of censure. They certainly have powers, but they are not dictators of any shape or form.
In some ways they are similar to the UK Cabinet. They propose laws, which are voted on, and make day to day decisions, but are answerable to the Elected Parliament.
MEPs represent their country, countries with larger populations have more, Germany has 96, UK 73, Eire 11, Malta 6, for example.
Each of the 28 countries proposes one commissioner. They will clearly be chosen by each country to represent the current political views there. After appointment they should do what is best for the EU as a whole, rather than what is good for just their own nation. Similarly we would expect a UK minister to do what is best for the country not just his/her party or constituency, wouldn`t we?
Because they are not subject to direct election they should be free to take difficult long term decisions. In national parliaments the members can be too easily swayed by short-termism, to make difficult choices, typically about nuclear power or airports etc etc.
It ain`t a perfect system. But neither is our own system. Nothing in the real world is perfect.
Once you look at it, is it so bad?
Im sure Ive made some errors in the above, but they arent deliberate, so check out the links below for more detail, and please correct my mistakes. Ive tried to keep it mostly factual rather than just my opinions of it all, but the editing is probably biased by my opinion.
I expect a lively discussion, but will try to resist the temptation to reply to “Bollox” and “Here`s a picture with no facts, no figures, and no sense, for you to refute”.
europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission
whiplash:
Doesnt matter what facts or figures are printed Franglais.Some people simply wont accept an alternative viewpoint to theirs.Agree to disagree,with respect,doesn`t seem to be in certain vocabularies.As I have stated before,in my opinion,the UK will be hurt by Brexit.As will every other member of the EU,individually and collectively.Only difference is,their(our)hurt is being caused by outside forces,whereas UKs hurt will be self imposed.
Interesting that the police chiefs/heads asked for all parties to use more considered language the other day,in relation to Brexit.Words like traitors/treason etc,should not be used.
Did anyone hear the haulier on BBC4 the other morning giving his weeks work?
6 days,6 trailers from a NE port.
All 6, high value imports.
I think 2 shipped back with baled waste,the other 4 went back to EU empty.
The empire is gone lads,accept it.
I was typing out another piece as you were posting that.
I do agree with all you say there.
As an aside do you remember Cameron talking of some sort of happiness measure?
independent.co.uk/news/uk/p … 72861.html
Wonder how his idea of a referendum and all that followed affected this?
Gotta laugh, mate, or else we`d cry! 
Franglais:
Bewick:
what an absolute ■■■■■■ that Irish PM is because “Frau Leader Hosen” has paid him a half day visit today ! What a Gob [zb] he really is trying to preach to us in the UK. The UK could choke off his economy in an instant by closing the Ferry Ports and stopping their imports to the UK which I believe account for 75% of their exports ! He should show a bit more respect to the hand that feeds himWhich hand feeds the UK?
bbc.com/news/uk-47401160
“the UK imports about 30% of its food from the EU”
“The UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex calculated that an average tariff of 44.6% on dairy could translate to a price rise of 8.1%.
Meat could rise in price by 5.8%, oils and fats by 7.8% and vegetables by 4% on average.”
“Businesses could choose to import more products like meat and dairy from outside the EU if that became more competitive.
The idea of lowering tariffs on imported goods which the UK also produces has worried farmers, who fear a flood of cheap imported food putting them out of business.
In response, the government has said it will not impose zero-rate tariffs on food imports.
It will have to balance the interests of consumers, who want to see their food prices kept low, with those of farmers and growers, when setting the tariff rates.”
Blimey make your mind up either you’re worried about Brit farmers being put out of business by imports or not.It obviously makes no difference whether it’s EU imports or non EU imports.While the average supermarket certainly isn’t filled with 30% EU imported meat,vegetables or milk and dairy.On that note feel free to go into Waitrose,Sainsburys,Tesco etc and ask for EU imported etc milk,beef,veg and other dairy products.Although admittedly you can find some stinking unpasteurised Frog cheese or unsalted Normany butter if that’s your thing.While no if we leave the EU I for one won’t be rushing out to buy any crap Argentine imported beef.While I couldn’t buy French even if I wanted to as an EU member because it ain’t there.Which isn’t surprising in the best Beef growing state in Europe if not the world.
Franglais:
Seems to me that a lot of posters talk of the “corrupt” and “undemocratic” EU Parliament, yet seem to have little knowledge of how it actually works.
The way it is organised is certainly very different to the UK system, and isn`t comfortable to those who favour our “first past the post” system.
But is it so much worse than our own system?
No it is not, in fact imo it is better simply because it is not 1st past the post.
And, it seems, many who moan about it do not vote for it. And some of those no doubt, do not even vote for the UK one. Doesn’t stop them critiscising honourable members who vote with their consciences, which is what they are supposed to do, not parrot local prejudices.
In the UK Parliament we have zero UKIP members, Douglas Carswell left UKIP to become an Independent.
Zero representatives for a national vote of about 12%. Not very democratic methinks.
In the EU Parliament there are 9 UKIP MEPs, out of 73 total for the UK. (about 12%) Much nearer the true wishes of the people surely? Much more democratic isn`t it?
Exactly what is wrong with 1st past the post. I do not personally want more UKIP members but it is outrageous in a country which likes to call itself ‘democratic’ that such a large portion of the electorate are unrepresented.
Many talk disparagingly of the UnElected EU Commissioners. Yet seem comfortable with our own UnElected Chamber the House of Lords?
EU Commissioners have no voting rights. They are replaced every 5 years, but could be voted out beforehand by 2/3rds vote of censure. They certainly have powers, but they are not dictators of any shape or form.
I’m am not well versed in the system of how powerful or otherwise that the Commissioners are, but they are different in one important respect to the, also unelected, House of Lords. They can be got rid of. Until 2015 the Lords couldn’t even expel the proven and convicted liar, Archer. And as far as I know still can’t, because his conviction was before the law was changed.
A well thought and expressed post Franglais. Ditto for Whiplash’s post which crossed with mine. Now sit back and wait for the equally well thought and expressed epithets and pretty pictures. 
Franglais:
whiplash:
Doesnt matter what facts or figures are printed Franglais.Some people simply wont accept an alternative viewpoint to theirs.Agree to disagree,with respect,doesn`t seem to be in certain vocabularies.As I have stated before,in my opinion,the UK will be hurt by Brexit.As will every other member of the EU,individually and collectively.Only difference is,their(our)hurt is being caused by outside forces,whereas UKs hurt will be self imposed.
Interesting that the police chiefs/heads asked for all parties to use more considered language the other day,in relation to Brexit.Words like traitors/treason etc,should not be used.
Did anyone hear the haulier on BBC4 the other morning giving his weeks work?
6 days,6 trailers from a NE port.
All 6, high value imports.
I think 2 shipped back with baled waste,the other 4 went back to EU empty.
The empire is gone lads,accept it.I was typing out another piece as you were posting that.
I do agree with all you say there.As an aside do you remember Cameron talking of some sort of happiness measure?
independent.co.uk/news/uk/p … 72861.html
Wonder how his idea of a referendum and all that followed affected this?Gotta laugh, mate, or else we`d cry!
The only laugh to be had here is the Federalist self affirmative bs.30% of all meat and veg and dairy products available and sold in our shops is EU imports yeah right.Only in the BBC propaganda broadcasts and the fanatical indoctrinated imaginations of the EU Federalists.When the fact is it’s already more likely that you’ll find at least more non EU imported fruit and veg at least,even as an EU member.As for anything much other that Brit meat,with the exception of New Zealand sheep,products,you’re avin a total deluded laugh.
As for over dependence on EU manufacturing imports at the expense of domestic industry and resulting unsustainable trade deficit.Yes that’s the problem and we obviously ain’t going to fix that with more zb EU and its ‘single market’.
HRS:
Nice bloke, remain or leave do we need him. Harvey.
To be fair while the Brit army were busy shooting misguided Irish ‘nationalists’ living in Ulster Heath and their Commander in Chief was signing away the country,to the same EUSSR 4th Reich that Sinn Fein etc have sold out Ireland to. 
It’s a pleasure to read the recent comments presented in a calm and reasoned manner. Brexit has caused enormous schisms in the country even breaking up families. I think it behoves us all as responsible adults to treat each other with respect regardless of which side of the Brexit divide we are on.
Spardo:
Exactly what is wrong with 1st past the post. I do not personally want more UKIP members but it is outrageous in a country which likes to call itself ‘democratic’ that such a large portion of the electorate are unrepresented.
Same as you, I am no fan of UKIP, but the UK system doesn`t give them a fair go.
One of the arguments used to support FPTP is that is avoids small parties holding the balance of power and having undue influence.
Can you imagine under PR, for example, if a small party in Northern Ireland were to…oh!.. 
One other thing I didn`t mention earlier.
Pay.
europarl.europa.eu/news/en/f … d-pensions
en.euabc.com/word/814
Commissioners get about 20,000eu per month, MEPs get about 8,000eu per month. Plus allowances.
More than yer average truck driver or supermarket shelf stacker, it`s true. Hopefully though they will be better qualified than yer average shelf stacker or bum on an RDC chair!
UK MPs get about £6,700 month (approx 7,700eu) Cabinet Ministers £12,000 (13,500eu).
For comparison: UK Consultant Doctor £6,300 to £8,700. Commercial pilot £5,000 to £9,000. Teacher £2,000 to £4,000.
Are they worth it? I confess to having a pop at em more than once. But do we want to pay a salary a school leaver would find low? When we want a Surgeon for our operation do we go for a good one or a cheap one? When we want an accountant do we begrudge paying them a large amount so long as they earn it in saving us more in monies and troubles? Do we want a return to the times when only the rich, land owning gentry, could afford time off earning to govern us? A successful entrepreneur could earn much more than an MP. And receive a lot less aggravation doing so. Sure I understand that contacts made as an MP and hands shaken can translate into later "advisory" positions and board appointments, and that doesnt please me.
The system here is far from ideal. Arguably paying politicians more, but regulating them more could work…but I doubt many would vote for it!
malmic:
Brexit has caused enormous schisms in the country even breaking up families. I think it behoves us all as responsible adults to treat each other with respect regardless of which side of the Brexit divide we are on.
No it’s Federal aggression which has historically ‘broken’ up families.Sometimes to the point of Fathers fighting Sons or Brothers taking up arms against Brothers.From Lincoln’s rampaging rabble.To the JNA trying and failing to hold Yugoslavia together against those fighting for their legitimate right to self determination and State.Bearing in mind we haven’t had Brexit yet and we’re not likely to without the forces mutinying against the obviously compromised Head of ‘State’ and her puppet government.While it’s clear enough what you mean by so called ‘respect’ that being bowing down to German 4th Reich rule which you and those like you obviously want to put us under.We can all see where this is heading and the lessons of history,which even the remainers laughable propanda can’t change,suggest that the argument over the survival of the country,as opposed to those wanting it to be a puppet vassal state,will get a lot worse before it gets better.
All that’s known for certain about the effects of Brexit is that nobody knows what will happen. That includes everyone on here. It also includes, sadly, the Government. It’s inconceivable that there won’t be at least some short term disruption.
But, it might not be as bad as some say. Scare stories of shortages and civil unrest are just scare stories.
What’s really come to light, not just on here but a across the country, is the lack of awareness about the EU and what they actually do. I’m no expert, far from it, but some of the poisonous ■■■■ I’ve read about them is laughable.
The EU sure isn’t perfect, and it’s a convenient scapegoat. We’ll find out soon enough if we were right to leave.
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By the way, everyone seems to agree on one thing. The Government couldn’t have done a worse job. You can accuse me of many things, but I sleep easy at night knowing I’ve never been stupid enough to vote Tory.
Cameron was/still is a ■■■■■
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By the way we wont be able to have fish & chips if we leave on a NO deal the latest scare tactic, unless of course we let EU trawlers fish on in our waters which the UK has said no to. They must think we are daft we always caught our own till they raped our supplies.
Think poor oul Wallace would do a better job!
Minnd you so would Gromitt!
dexxy57:
I sleep easy at night knowing I’ve never been stupid enough to vote Tory.
Oh wait.The ‘Tories’ are actually on the same side as you regarding handing the country over to the 4th Reich from the point when Heath took us into it and Thatcher campaigned to keep us in it and Major took us even deeper into the mire then Cameron spent loads of tax payers cash on remain propaganda.While having remainer May ready willing and able waiting behind the scenes as an insurance policy to sabotage a Leave win in his dodgy one sided rigged ‘referendum’.Just as would be expected with the Sax Coburgs and EU Fuhrer Juncker pulling all their strings.
We don’t need reminding,but it seems this sorry lot do.
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
I sleep easy at night knowing I’ve never been stupid enough to vote Tory.Oh wait.The ‘Tories’ are actually on the same side as you regarding handing the country over to the 4th Reich from the point when Heath took us into it and Thatcher campaigned to keep us in it and Major took us even deeper into the mire then Cameron spent loads of tax payers cash on remain propaganda.While having remainer May ready willing and able waiting behind the scenes as an insurance policy to sabotage a Leave win in his dodgy one sided rigged ‘referendum’.Just as would be expected with the Sax Coburgs and EU Fuhrer Juncker pulling all their strings.
Blimey. That’s quite a rant about a Party I’ve no time for. Cheers.
You mentioned the 4th Reich, Juncker, Fuhrer and the Sax Coburgs in the same post.
It’s early, I’m sure you’re just warming up.
Hope so. I’m only waiting for ‘quisling’ and ‘stinking’ for a full house on CF Brexit Bingo.
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dexxy57:
Carryfast:
Oh wait.The ‘Tories’ are actually on the same side as you regarding handing the country over to the 4th Reich from the point when Heath took us into it and Thatcher campaigned to keep us in it and Major took us even deeper into the mire then Cameron spent loads of tax payers cash on remain propaganda.While having remainer May ready willing and able waiting behind the scenes as an insurance policy to sabotage a Leave win in his dodgy one sided rigged ‘referendum’.Just as would be expected with the Sax Coburgs and EU Fuhrer Juncker pulling all their strings.Blimey. That’s quite a rant about a Party I’ve no time for
But you obviously do have loads of ‘time for’ and support for its quisling policy of selling us out to the stinking EU 4th Reich.From Heath’s to May’s successive administrations. 