Carryfast:
Buzzer:
All Indicative votes rejected again last night so absolutely no further forward, please just give us what we voted for and lets move on and get the hell out of the EU, BuzzerYes all ‘rejected’ as part of a pre planned Federalist charade to keep us tied to the EU.
They’re awfully clever, these Federalists, or are Brits just really thick and gullible?
dexxy57:
Carryfast:
Yes all ‘rejected’ as part of a pre planned Federalist charade to keep us tied to the EU.They’re awfully clever, these Federalists, or are Brits just really thick and gullible?
Clever in the sense that their despotic leaders,like son of a ■■■■ Juncker,think that the adulation of their thick and gullible supporters,obviously including Brit ‘remainers’,makes them invincible.
Watching Sky News to-night it looks like Mother Teresa is going to sell us down the river by trying to get Corbyn to join her and her Remainer turncoats to try and get her flawed “deal” through Parliament ! What a duplicitous ■■■■ she really is, she has never believed in Brexit but has always been too much of a slimy ■■■■■ to stand up and be counted ! I heard one of the best summings up of the current ■■■■■ we are currently in last night on News Night from Anne Widdecombe when she said " We’ve got the worst Prime Minister since Anthony Eden and the worst Labour Leader ever and the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell" Well said Anne ! And she also told that ■■■■ Gina Millar that the UK would do very well if we could just LEAVE without a “deal” on WTO terms and that ■■■■ Millar did not like it one bit Great ! Cheers Bewick.
Hi all. Everyone that get’s interview’d on TV say’s the same from man on the street to half sensible MP’s to the top men of buisness and industry all say leave without a deal we will be OK so why will Parliament not listen. 
gerbil sb152:
Hi all. Everyone that get’s interview’d on TV say’s the same from man on the street to half sensible MP’s to the top men of buisness and industry all say leave without a deal we will be OK so why will Parliament not listen.
Gerbil its because most of those MP’s are deaf and only go where there guide dog " Teresa " takes them, now she’s sharing her bone with that ■■■■■■ corgy Corbin as she is so desperate for friends to try and get her deal adopted, our only hope is now if the EU tell her to get stuffed but that does not look likely at the moment as the 27 have been told to have patience FFS after three years, Buzzer
gerbil sb152:
Hi all. Everyone that get’s interview’d on TV say’s the same from man on the street to half sensible MP’s to the top men of buisness and industry all say leave without a deal we will be OK so why will Parliament not listen.
Not all that many say that, Gerbil, but to my mind there are only 2 choices at the moment, No Deal or No Brexit. Bite the bullet and get it done with never mind the damage.
However if they persist with trying to get Parliament into line and go for a referendum or GE, my choice would be for a GE if all the Remainer parties would form a pact not to oppose each other. That way you would get a definite 2 way choice between Leave or Remain, knowing exactly the deal or otherwise, something that wasn’t available before. And then, whatever the result, no-one could keep blathering on about ‘the will of the people not being respected’.
Spardo I know we have had differences of opinion on the subject of Brexit but this should be looked at in a business fashion, you make a decision and stand by it and you soon find out if it was wrong or not, if you faff about it invariably ends in disaster so go with your gut feeling’s and get on with it and get out which was the vote result, no deals either.
All these young ones who want to stay in the EU have not got the guile to understand the long term effects of TM’s deal which means if that does go through there is no escape and they will have no voice round the discussion table and no power to effect any change for they are blind poor things, but as they get older they will see the error of there beliefs and as for the older generation that want to stay in well words fail me as they should be able to see there future more clearly.
TM’s deal is defective and should be abolished along with her as she is a die in the wool remainer right from the outset of this sordid process, and now colluding with the numb knut leader of the defunct Labour party has got to be the last straw. after seven hours of discussions with the cabinet yesterday and to end up deciding to join forces with Corbin will achieve nothing credible as they are both pulling in completely different directions and have been for years.
Parliament in this country is finished, its lost any scrap of credibility it may have once had and is just full of bigot’s who have only one interest and that is there own well being, it is a total disgrace and the laughing stock of the world right now, they should all lose there jobs and we should start again, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Spardo I know we have had differences of opinion on the subject of Brexit but this should be looked at in a business fashion, you make a decision and stand by it and you soon find out if it was wrong or not, if you faff about it invariably ends in disaster so go with your gut feeling’s and get on with it and get out which was the vote result, no deals either.
All these young ones who want to stay in the EU have not got the guile to understand the long term effects of TM’s deal which means if that does go through there is no escape and they will have no voice round the discussion table and no power to effect any change for they are blind poor things, but as they get older they will see the error of there beliefs and as for the older generation that want to stay in well words fail me as they should be able to see there future more clearly.
TM’s deal is defective and should be abolished along with her as she is a die in the wool remainer right from the outset of this sordid process, and now colluding with the numb knut leader of the defunct Labour party has got to be the last straw. after seven hours of discussions with the cabinet yesterday and to end up deciding to join forces with Corbin will achieve nothing credible as they are both pulling in completely different directions and have been for years.
Parliament in this country is finished, its lost any scrap of credibility it may have once had and is just full of bigot’s who have only one interest and that is there own well being, it is a total disgrace and the laughing stock of the world right now, they should all lose there jobs and we should start again, Buzzer.
Well they will all lose their jobs if there is a GE, and then have to fight for them all over again, but this time be a bit more honest about their intentions.
You’re right this gesture to Corbyn is a con, and will bear no fruit, which is why I think she may have to choose one of the 2 courses I mentioned above. You know my opinion re referendums, they are not the right way to do things unless you know the right way to do them, and Britain does not. So if all else fails there should be a GE but I doubt my suggestion above would happen, I can’t see all the LibDems and Greens north of the border giving the Scot Nats a free run as there is nothing the Nats could give in return, not contesting English seats anyway. But at least it would show what people really thought now the stark choice is before them.
There are around 70 MPs at the moment who would be ‘official’ remainers, that is those who, though they may prefer to remain are not bound by party manifestos, and who knows what could happen? I know you don’t want to hear this, but that is what happened in France. Macron did not have a party at all at the last but one election, and he swept all the old parties aside to win the top prize, mainly because so many people were totally ■■■■■■ off with the big established ones.
Hi all i have to agree with buzzer but i am right in what i say about most want to leave without a deal it is on the new’s every day each time they interview people. As for Macron i thought it was because of him and his plans that has caused all the riot’s with the Yellow vest brigade. 
gerbil sb152:
Hi all i have to agree with buzzer but i am right in what i say about most want to leave without a deal it is on the new’s every day each time they interview people. As for Macron i thought it was because of him and his plans that has caused all the riot’s with the Yellow vest brigade.
You can’t declare yourself to be right on the basis of random interviews in the street, well, not with justification anyway.
As regards Macron, he is an inexperienced politician (which is why his, and his new party’s, rise is so remarkable) and he made some mistakes in the way to do things.
The Gilly Joan protests started over a rise in diesel tax entirely to combat global warming. A very stupid, and unfair, thing to do given that millions bought diesel cars because they were told they were less polluting. Then, because so many of those affected are quite unable to afford new more eco friendly cars, this burden fell mainly on the less well off. My doctor, for instance has had a hybrid for years. But the bulk of us are stuck with diesel and a massive hike in costs in February last year.
Quite justifiably there was a surge of protests to manifest itself in peaceful picketting at certain key points, a bit like the old fashioned Trade Union pickets in Britain years ago, but that was all.
Then the anarchists and the communists got on board and saw a golden chance to destroy and make trouble. Out in the countryside the protests have all but disappeared and in any case were not widely supported.
That was not all Macron’s fault, but he should have shown a bit more nous in quietly and gradually increasing carbon tax, and not hitting the poorest members of the community at one go. More thought should be given to other measures, for instance, doing away with all the speed bumps, chicanes, stupid rapid changes of speed limits, silly traffic lights in country villages, and phasing traffic lights in the larger towns so that if you did the legal limit you could hit them all at green. That is where a lot of diesel pollution comes from, not essential travel by hard working and less well off ordinary people.
Wonder if she is aware that TM & JC are going to combine in giving her country away, well at least if they do we wont have any need for the Royal family anymore so the money they get every year can go towards the National Health and we can sell buck palace and all the other homes they have between them, food for thought Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Wonder if she is aware that TM & JC are going to combine in giving her country away, well at least if they do we wont have any need for the Royal family anymore so the money they get every year can go towards the National Health and we can sell buck palace and all the other homes they have between them, food for thought Buzzer.
I can’t see that that follows, Buzzer, why on earth would remaining in the EU end the monarchy? Mind you, nobody, a staunch republican almost since birth, would be more pleased if it did. 
Buzzer:
Wonder if she is aware that TM & JC are going to combine in giving her country away, well at least if they do we wont have any need for the Royal family anymore so the money they get every year can go towards the National Health and we can sell buck palace and all the other homes they have between them, food for thought Buzzer.
Bearing in mind Liz and Phils self congratulatory celebrations of Heath’s signing us up to the European Communities Act,let alone her giving royal assent to it,all while deliberately hiding FCO 30/1048 from the country,can only say ‘’ of course she is bleedin aware’’ because she actually supports the whole scam.Not least because of the obvious implications if she now rescinds that assent all on the grounds that your Conservative mates Heath and Maggie among others gave away the country from 1972 to date and she’s going to have to face some very inconvenient questions,if she now chooses to reverse her original actions of going along with Heath’s treason,by signing assent to proper Brexit all to get back the resulting lost sovereignty.
Who would have thought it a union of the Sax Coburg and Schleswick Holstein dynasties eventually resulted in the country being sold out to German interests.With a lot of help from the stinking Conservative Party.Remind us which party you voted for in all previous elections then have the nerve to blame the Labour Party for it all.In which case don’t remember many/any Conservative MP’s supporting Benn,Shore and Heffer in 1975 or as genuine as Kate Hoey now. 
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Wonder if she is aware that TM & JC are going to combine in giving her country away, well at least if they do we wont have any need for the Royal family anymore so the money they get every year can go towards the National Health and we can sell buck palace and all the other homes they have between them, food for thought Buzzer.I can’t see that that follows, Buzzer, why on earth would remaining in the EU end the monarchy? Mind you, nobody, a staunch republican almost since birth, would be more pleased if it did.
It would obviously ‘end the monarchy’ as those of us know it who realise and support the idea of the Royal Perogative,regarding matters of state,sovereignty and national defence also defender of the Church.As opposed to those like the evil,murderous,euthanasia loving,POS,son of a ■■■■ collaborator scum,like Juncker ‘reigning over us’ instead. 
Spardo:
Buzzer:
Wonder if she is aware that TM & JC are going to combine in giving her country away, well at least if they do we wont have any need for the Royal family anymore so the money they get every year can go towards the National Health and we can sell buck palace and all the other homes they have between them, food for thought Buzzer.I can’t see that that follows, Buzzer, why on earth would remaining in the EU end the monarchy? Mind you, nobody, a staunch republican almost since birth, would be more pleased if it did.
Because if TM’s deal goes through we will be ruled entirely by the EU such is the gravity of the situation with absolutely no redress what so ever and the Queen could do nought.
I still can’t get my head around this.If Spain sell us a trailer of oranges and we sell them a trailer of … i’m struggling to think what we send there now … a trailet of cloth why do we need Brussels to tell us how to live with endless ridiculous laws. We keep being told what a great deal we get just by being part of the EU but has anyone ever sat down and done the sums.If you add all the billions we pay in and all the immigration we have to put up with including the strain on the NHS wouldnt it be cheaper to buy the Oranges from the USA. We are being bullied into staying in .
ramone:
I still can’t get my head around this.If Spain sell us a trailer of oranges and we sell them a trailer of … i’m struggling to think what we send there now … a trailet of cloth why do we need Brussels to tell us how to live with endless ridiculous laws. We keep being told what a great deal we get just by being part of the EU but has anyone ever sat down and done the sums.If you add all the billions we pay in and all the immigration we have to put up with including the strain on the NHS wouldnt it be cheaper to buy the Oranges from the USA. We are being bullied into staying in .
Mate we could buy from anyone in the world if we were out of the corrupt EU , they are not a country just a jumped up organisation robbing the more affluent members to keep the ones with no input afloat, there are six or seven members who are bankrupt we are mad to keep supporting them, Buzzer
ramone:
I still can’t get my head around this.If Spain sell us a trailer of oranges and we sell them a trailer of … i’m struggling to think what we send there now … a trailet of cloth why do we need Brussels to tell us how to live with endless ridiculous laws. We keep being told what a great deal we get just by being part of the EU but has anyone ever sat down and done the sums.If you add all the billions we pay in and all the immigration we have to put up with including the strain on the NHS wouldnt it be cheaper to buy the Oranges from the USA. We are being bullied into staying in .
Well, instead of asking, why don’t you do the sums yourself? You’ve got the resources of Google at your fingertips.
All trade between the UK and the EU is tariff-free. Start from there.
ramone:
I still can’t get my head around this.If Spain sell us a trailer of oranges and we sell them a trailer of … i’m struggling to think what we send there now … a trailet of cloth why do we need Brussels to tell us how to live with endless ridiculous laws. We keep being told what a great deal we get just by being part of the EU but has anyone ever sat down and done the sums.If you add all the billions we pay in and all the immigration we have to put up with including the strain on the NHS wouldnt it be cheaper to buy the Oranges from the USA. We are being bullied into staying in .
More like they send us a trailer of oranges on an East Euro truck.The truck then returns to Spain with a load of Brit fish caught by a Spanish boat.Meanwhile the Germans also send us a ship load of cars and other manufacturing products as part of the deal.We then contribute a fortune in net contributions for the privilege to add to the resulting net import bill.As for being bullied no we are being subjected to a propaganda coup by a minority of middle men getting kick backs from the deal and taking advantage of the cheap labour opportunities created by the free movement of labour within the single labour market and a bunch of Soviet Socialists,who have no concept of understand basic maths,and who despise the idea of the Nation State and the National interest,or the idea of supply and demand within the Labour market,who’ve enthusiastically bought the propaganda of the middle men.
As for the politicians see middle men and it’s much easier to divide and rule when you don’t need to worry about getting a National electoral mandate to do it.While instead just randomly counting a pooled collective parliamentary mandate to rubber stamp the dictat of the commissioners and others like Juncker etc who run the EUSSR politburo.No surprise that the Spanish and the Germans and their misguided Soviet style supporters here want to keep us tied to the scam of this foreign aid exercise and Soviet style dictatorship.
dexxy57:
ramone:
I still can’t get my head around this.If Spain sell us a trailer of oranges and we sell them a trailer of … i’m struggling to think what we send there now … a trailet of cloth why do we need Brussels to tell us how to live with endless ridiculous laws. We keep being told what a great deal we get just by being part of the EU but has anyone ever sat down and done the sums.If you add all the billions we pay in and all the immigration we have to put up with including the strain on the NHS wouldnt it be cheaper to buy the Oranges from the USA. We are being bullied into staying in .Well, instead of asking, why don’t you do the sums yourself? You’ve got the resources of Google at your fingertips.
All trade between the UK and the EU is tariff-free. Start from there.
Because I aint clever enough but you seem to know lots about lots so maybe you could explain why you would back a corrupt organisation that want to take away all our power and control everything we do ,impose ridiculous laws on us and tell us how many immigrants we will be receiving while at the same time relieving us of large amounts of tax payers money. Its quite obvious why the MPs want it because they like the idea of £100000 a year for doing absolutely nothing when they eventually jump on the gravy train.
UK and EU tariff free■■? so what do we get for the billions we put in . We are paying to trade with countrys we could trade with without the laws and without the donations
