ramone:
Nowhere near as hard as putting up with all the ridiculous laws rules and regulations that come out of the stinkingly corrupt EU and of course paying through the nose for the privillage.Remember , when we go the rest will follow
In the majority of EU votes the UK voted with the majority. i.e. we agreed with the laws being passed. Ridiculous or not they would probably be the same or similar, whether we are in or out of the EU.
Why “stinkingly corrupt EU”? Is it any more corrupt than the UK Parliament?
Some EU members score better than the UK on the “transparency.org” site, and some score worse. There is, disappointingly, no overall rating for the EU there, but maybe you know of one that supports your assertion?
“when we go the rest will follow”? Maybe, when they stop rolling around the floor laughing, they will.
Question for the “Remainers” ----- What Company could have survived this long when their annual Accounts have never been “signed off” off as correct by their Auditors for over the past 20 years ? One guess ! Yes the corrupt Gravy Train called the EU ! The quicker we leave this bent organisation the better off the UK will be ! Bewick.
Bewick:
The quicker we leave this bent organisation the better off the UK will be ! Bewick.
If we were ever going to ‘leave’ it we would have ‘left’ between 2016 and now.Make no mistake the whole charade has just been a pre planned play for time,with committed remainers May and Hammond put in place to lead the process,with the eventual aim of firstly sabotaging then revoking Brexit.If not creating the worst of all worlds of BRINO removing what say we might have while keeping us tied to the EU’s shackles.Using tactics like a non binding referendum obviously only to be imposed if the wrong side won and section 13 of the laughably named ‘Withdrawal Act’ which equally obviously allows parliament to go for anything but ‘withdrawal’ in the form of anything from BRINO to Remain.
Just as would be expected of a pro EU Federalist parliament under the even higher direction of HM and the US government.Both of which have their own respective and allied agendas in not allowing/wanting secession to succeed in Europe.Especially secession in this case which knocks Germany off its perch as top Federalist dog.
Bewick:
Question for the “Remainers” ----- What Company could have survived this long when their annual Accounts have never been “signed off” off as correct by their Auditors for over the past 20 years ? One guess ! Yes the corrupt Gravy Train called the EU ! The quicker we leave this bent organisation the better off the UK will be ! Bewick.
Try this…fullfact.org/europe/did-auditor … eu-budget/
“If they’re mostly fine, but have some problems, the auditors give a qualified opinion. This was the case before 2007. If they have extensive problems, they give an adverse opinion on the reliability of the accounts. This has never happened.”
and
“The Court said the EU’s accounts in 2016: “present, in all material respects, a true and fair view of the EU’s financial results for the year and its assets and liabilities at the end of the year.… We were therefore able to give a clean opinion on the reliability of (i.e. ‘sign off’) the accounts, as we have done every year since 2007.”
Guess what? With an organisation the size of the EU the accounts were always less than perfect!
But again, look:
“Error is not always the same as fraud or waste”.
“While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.”
How many organisations with a 136billion euro budget can account accurately for every paper-clip?
And if any did, wouldn`t you be more than a little suspicious of the accuracy of the accounts presented?
Bewick:
Question for the “Remainers” ----- What Company could have survived this long when their annual Accounts have never been “signed off” off as correct by their Auditors for over the past 20 years ? One guess ! Yes the corrupt Gravy Train called the EU ! The quicker we leave this bent organisation the better off the UK will be ! Bewick.
Try this…fullfact.org/europe/did-auditor … eu-budget/
“If they’re mostly fine, but have some problems, the auditors give a qualified opinion. This was the case before 2007. If they have extensive problems, they give an adverse opinion on the reliability of the accounts. This has never happened.”
and
“The Court said the EU’s accounts in 2016: “present, in all material respects, a true and fair view of the EU’s financial results for the year and its assets and liabilities at the end of the year.… We were therefore able to give a clean opinion on the reliability of (i.e. ‘sign off’) the accounts, as we have done every year since 2007.”
Guess what? With an organisation the size of the EU the accounts were always less than perfect!
But again, look:
“Error is not always the same as fraud or waste”.
“While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.”
How many organisations with a 136billion euro budget can account accurately for every paper-clip?
And if any did, wouldn`t you be more than a little suspicious of the accuracy of the accounts presented?
The only reason the EU want the UK to Remain is to keep our NET contributions rolling in for them to squander on Mainland Europe and previously some of our “hard earned” went to the Paddies but they are now unhappy “campers” as they will, apparently, have to start making “net” contributions which was not why they joined the EU ! ! Other than to get their “germans” on our contributions the EU establishment do not want to know the UK. Oh! and what a ■■■■ that Tusk fella is and he is some sort of “King Pin” on the EU ! If he hadn’t wangled that job the ■■■■ would have been living in the UK “with all found” like many of the other Poles that live here ! And while we are on about Fraud I reckon that both Mandelson and Kinnock are drawing their fat inflation proof pensions under false pretences what a pair of J Arthur’s those two really are ! Leave means leave ! Bewick.
Bewick:
The only reason the EU want the UK to Remain is to keep our NET contributions rolling in for them to squander on Mainland Europe and previously some of our “hard earned” went to the Paddies but they are now unhappy “campers” as they will, apparently, have to start making “net” contributions which was not why they joined the EU ! ! Other than to get their “germans” on our contributions the EU establishment do not want to know the UK. Oh! and what a [zb] that Tusk fella is and he is some sort of “King Pin” on the EU ! If he hadn’t wangled that job the [zb] would have been living in the UK “with all found” like many of the other Poles that live here ! And while we are on about Fraud I reckon that both Mandelson and Kinnock are drawing their fat inflation proof pensions under false pretences what a pair of J Arthur’s those two really are ! Leave means leave ! Bewick.
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Or wrong foot the remainers by changing our minds to remain and help the AfD and FN etc to smash it from within.
Franglais:
In the majority of EU votes the UK voted with the majority. i.e. we agreed with the laws being passed. Ridiculous or not they would probably be the same or similar, whether we are in or out of the EU.
Why “stinkingly corrupt EU”? Is it any more corrupt than the UK Parliament?
Some EU members score better than the UK on the “transparency.org” site, and some score worse. There is, disappointingly, no overall rating for the EU there, but maybe you know of one that supports your assertion?
“when we go the rest will follow”? Maybe, when they stop rolling around the floor laughing, they will.
They are only laughing because they know that they’ve got May and the Sax Coburgs on their side so as to keep the Brit cash pouring in and to act as an exports and employment dumping ground.
As for the UK parliament voting like puppets with whatever the EU wants yes we know because too many MP’s are obviously pro EU Federalists.The difference being that unlike Tusk and Juncker we can still vote the zb’s out.Or at least we think we can assuming that the UK voting system isn’t rigged by counting the wrong votes as no show in the turnout figure and just chucking them in a skip among other counting scams.
Bewick:
The only reason the EU want the UK to Remain is to keep our NET contributions rolling in for them to squander on Mainland Europe and previously some of our “hard earned” went to the Paddies but they are now unhappy “campers” as they will, apparently, have to start making “net” contributions which was not why they joined the EU ! ! Other than to get their “germans” on our contributions the EU establishment do not want to know the UK. Oh! and what a [zb] that Tusk fella is and he is some sort of “King Pin” on the EU ! If he hadn’t wangled that job the [zb] would have been living in the UK “with all found” like many of the other Poles that live here ! And while we are on about Fraud I reckon that both Mandelson and Kinnock are drawing their fat inflation proof pensions under false pretences what a pair of J Arthur’s those two really are ! Leave means leave ! Bewick.
Calm down Dennis and take a wee dram of your best malt, you get nearly excited as me nowadays mate, Buzzer
Bewick:
The only reason the EU want the UK to Remain is to keep our NET contributions rolling in for them to squander on Mainland Europe and previously some of our “hard earned” went to the Paddies but they are now unhappy “campers” as they will, apparently, have to start making “net” contributions which was not why they joined the EU ! ! Other than to get their “germans” on our contributions the EU establishment do not want to know the UK. Oh! and what a [zb] that Tusk fella is and he is some sort of “King Pin” on the EU ! If he hadn’t wangled that job the [zb] would have been living in the UK “with all found” like many of the other Poles that live here ! And while we are on about Fraud I reckon that both Mandelson and Kinnock are drawing their fat inflation proof pensions under false pretences what a pair of J Arthur’s those two really are ! Leave means leave ! Bewick.
Calm down Dennis and take a wee dram of your best malt, you get nearly excited as me nowadays mate, Buzzer
You should be “tucked up” in your pit by now Buzzer because the clocks go forward tonight and if you oversleep those bullocks will be balling their ■■■■■■■ heeds off wanting feeding ! PS unless of course you are sat up in bed typing on your lap top ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Question for the “Remainers” ----- What Company could have survived this long when their annual Accounts have never been “signed off” off as correct by their Auditors for over the past 20 years ? One guess ! Yes the corrupt Gravy Train called the EU ! The quicker we leave this bent organisation the better off the UK will be ! Bewick.
Try this…fullfact.org/europe/did-auditor … eu-budget/
“If they’re mostly fine, but have some problems, the auditors give a qualified opinion. This was the case before 2007. If they have extensive problems, they give an adverse opinion on the reliability of the accounts. This has never happened.”
and
“The Court said the EU’s accounts in 2016: “present, in all material respects, a true and fair view of the EU’s financial results for the year and its assets and liabilities at the end of the year.… We were therefore able to give a clean opinion on the reliability of (i.e. ‘sign off’) the accounts, as we have done every year since 2007.”
Guess what? With an organisation the size of the EU the accounts were always less than perfect!
But again, look:
“Error is not always the same as fraud or waste”.
“While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.”
How many organisations with a 136billion euro budget can account accurately for every paper-clip?
And if any did, wouldn`t you be more than a little suspicious of the accuracy of the accounts presented?
Every plc with a turnover of over €136bn who haven’t had their shares suspended.
I just got through reading the Lisbon treaty. OMG!!!
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK TERESA MAYS DEAL IS BAD, JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIN
…“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!
Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anymore.
John West:
Is this fake news? Copied and pasted from FB.
If not why isn’t on the BBC?
John.
I just got through reading the Lisbon treaty. OMG!!!
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK TERESA MAYS DEAL IS BAD, JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIN
…“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!
Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anymore.
What an absolute load of cod’s whallop,why do people derive such a kick from writing such rubbish?
ramone:
Nowhere near as hard as putting up with all the ridiculous laws rules and regulations that come out of the stinkingly corrupt EU and of course paying through the nose for the privillage.Remember , when we go the rest will follow
In the majority of EU votes the UK voted with the majority. i.e. we agreed with the laws being passed. Ridiculous or not they would probably be the same or similar, whether we are in or out of the EU.
Why “stinkingly corrupt EU”? Is it any more corrupt than the UK Parliament?
Some EU members score better than the UK on the “transparency.org” site, and some score worse. There is, disappointingly, no overall rating for the EU there, but maybe you know of one that supports your assertion?
“when we go the rest will follow”? Maybe, when they stop rolling around the floor laughing, they will.
Who represents Britain in voting these laws we only hear about once they are upon us.Is it the failed MP Kinnock and his gravy train family? Or good old Blair he’s always good for a war or two , the same prick who’s wife made millions from the human rights law.Bring control back to Britain and those who love the EU so much go live with Spardo while they still can . 17.5 Million voted out give democracy a chance
All Indicative votes rejected again last night so absolutely no further forward, please just give us what we voted for and lets move on and get the hell out of the EU, Buzzer
5thwheel:
What an absolute load of cod’s whallop,why do people derive such a kick from writing such rubbish?
David
I’m sure that remainers hero Heath would have said exactly the same as you if the lying POS had allowed anyone to challenge him regarding FCO 30/1048.Instead of him predictably hiding it.
On that note there’s no doubt regarding the all too clear ‘intent’ of exactly what’s meant by the Lisbon Treaty.Which certainly isn’t that of the self determination,sovereignty and with it democratic accountability,of Europe’s Nation States.All imposed by stealth of which the Federalists laughable lies and fake protests are a part.
Buzzer:
All Indicative votes rejected again last night so absolutely no further forward, please just give us what we voted for and lets move on and get the hell out of the EU, Buzzer
Yes all ‘rejected’ as part of a pre planned Federalist charade to keep us tied to the EU.
