When David Cameron was PM, he said on tv that the vote was , ours not parliament not mp’s but ours the British public . It’s being taken over by the MP’s . I’ve written to mine Andrea Jenkins and she thinks because we don’t understand it’s ok for her and the other MP’s to take over . IT’S NOT. We need to be out . these long waits at the border whether they happen or not will be the same for those entering Britain . Those counties wishing to join the EU will be takers not givers as we are so we’ll be asked for even more money . An organisation that move HQ numerous times a year at a cost of £150 million would go bankrupt in the real world , but the EU is not in the real world . They are a law unto themselves they think they are immune from to any laws . Lets get out while we can .
jeffrey ellener:
When David Cameron was PM, he said on tv that the vote was , ours not parliament not mp’s but ours the British public . It’s being taken over by the MP’s . I’ve written to mine Andrea Jenkins and she thinks because we don’t understand it’s ok for her and the other MP’s to take over . IT’S NOT. We need to be out . these long waits at the border whether they happen or not will be the same for those entering Britain . Those counties wishing to join the EU will be takers not givers as we are so we’ll be asked for even more money . An organisation that move HQ numerous times a year at a cost of £150 million would go bankrupt in the real world , but the EU is not in the real world . They are a law unto themselves they think they are immune from to any laws . Lets get out while we can .
Here,hear on the above JE, i have not posted for a wee while and when i do it usually gets ridiculed but i still feel the same way voting OUT in 2016, TM is saying we should acept her deal as its the only one available this is just bull we do have an option and that is to just leave. The deal TM has as said before will tie us to that corrupt organisation for generations to come and we will have absolutely no say in proceedings and you better believe it when the Kraut’s & that ■■■■ Macron get there jack boots on dont you think they are not going to lay into us to teach us a lesson.
What i can not understand is all these that wish to remain cant even see that and when and if a deal is done there wont be any turning back as we wont have any power to bring that about, the only one who can stop Whitehall giving away our country is the Queen but will she interveen.
Perhaps we should approach this from another angle and grant the wish of the majority and leave, we could stay outside for say five years and if it was so terrible after this time we could rejoin. This i dont believe would be the case as i think by the time five years has passed we would be flying high solo and have saved alot of money in the process.
The EU dont want to lose us for two reasons, one is the amount we buy from other member states, the second being our financial contribution us being one of the main contributors aside from this they could not give a monkey’s about the UK, we really need to find a way forward out of this mess and find a constructive way forward’
Just one final point if any one on here was about to go into a business deal with 27 other parties would you really consider doing that knowing that five or six or more of those 27 were bankrupt and had no means of supporting there own countrymen with out financial help from outside, I don’t think any one who is sane would even open discussions in such a scenario let alone proceed, tin hat on and making for the bunker Buzzer.
It’s not the 29th yet lads.
Just one final point if any one on here was about to go into a business deal with 27 other parties would you really consider doing that knowing that five or six or more of those 27 were bankrupt and had no means of supporting there own countrymen with out financial help from outside, I don’t think any one who is sane would even open discussions in such a scenario let alone proceed, tin hat on and making for the bunker Buzzer.
no need for a tin hat mate, the above paragraph sum’s it all up for me.vive la revolution. 
Franglais:
As a full UK tax payer I reckon that the amount I paid into the EU last year was worth it.
■■■■, I`d even be happy to up my income tax contribution to £50 per annum and still be happy! I reckon the added grief of leaving will cost me more than that*. Less than 3 quid a week for the right to travel, live, and work anywhere in Europe. No visas. No roaming charges. Largely the same standards for trade, safety and no hiding places for crims “over there”. Ease of trade for goods and services so more prosperity for us ALL. Bargain.Share the military?
Imagine another Falklands? Wouldn`t do so well on our own today I guess. Not the fault of the Services and their personnel, but lack of investment by Governments.
But maybe with French aircraft carrier at our disposal it could still be do-able, eh?*But it isn
t only income tax, I dont want to accused of using misleading figures. The ONS shows that in 2016 it was a net per-capita per-annum payment of about £150 in 2016.
ons.gov.uk/economy/governme … 2017-10-31
Define per capita bearing in mind that pensioners and those below school leaving age don’t exactly fit the definition of EU budget contributors.In addition to the black hole and resulting debt repayments caused by the massive trade deficit which is just a foreign aid scam there to benefit ze German rulers of your stinking Reich.
As for the Falklands don’t remember the French let alone the EU rushing to our aid in the last argument but the Americans did in fact put a carrier battle group at Thatcher’s disposal with the obvious intention of making the Argies back down.Which no surprise the evil ■■■■■ turned down.
Remind us which side that she was on during the previous EEC referendum which no surprise your lot had no problem with having delivered the result you wanted.Unlike the 2016 re run.
Juddian:
It’s not the 29th yet lads.
It seems clear enough that the remain agenda,helped by its stooge May,has made extension if not revocation of article 50 a foregone conclusion by 29/3.
Juddian:
It’s not the 29th yet lads.
Nothing happening on 29th anyway…
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Buzzer:
jeffrey ellener:
When David Cameron was PM, he said on tv that the vote was , ours not parliament not mp’s but ours the British public . It’s being taken over by the MP’s . I’ve written to mine Andrea Jenkins and she thinks because we don’t understand it’s ok for her and the other MP’s to take over . IT’S NOT. We need to be out . these long waits at the border whether they happen or not will be the same for those entering Britain . Those counties wishing to join the EU will be takers not givers as we are so we’ll be asked for even more money . An organisation that move HQ numerous times a year at a cost of £150 million would go bankrupt in the real world , but the EU is not in the real world . They are a law unto themselves they think they are immune from to any laws . Lets get out while we can .Here,hear on the above JE, i have not posted for a wee while and when i do it usually gets ridiculed but i still feel the same way voting OUT in 2016, TM is saying we should acept her deal as its the only one available this is just bull we do have an option and that is to just leave. The deal TM has as said before will tie us to that corrupt organisation for generations to come and we will have absolutely no say in proceedings and you better believe it when the Kraut’s & that [zb] Macron get there jack boots on dont you think they are not going to lay into us to teach us a lesson.
What i can not understand is all these that wish to remain cant even see that and when and if a deal is done there wont be any turning back as we wont have any power to bring that about, the only one who can stop Whitehall giving away our country is the Queen but will she interveen.
Perhaps we should approach this from another angle and grant the wish of the majority and leave, we could stay outside for say five years and if it was so terrible after this time we could rejoin. This i dont believe would be the case as i think by the time five years has passed we would be flying high solo and have saved alot of money in the process.
The EU dont want to lose us for two reasons, one is the amount we buy from other member states, the second being our financial contribution us being one of the main contributors aside from this they could not give a monkey’s about the UK, we really need to find a way forward out of this mess and find a constructive way forward’
Just one final point if any one on here was about to go into a business deal with 27 other parties would you really consider doing that knowing that five or six or more of those 27 were bankrupt and had no means of supporting there own countrymen with out financial help from outside, I don’t think any one who is sane would even open discussions in such a scenario let alone proceed, tin hat on and making for the bunker Buzzer.
I don’t want to be rude, but that’s just hysteria, reed Franglais posts an keep calm [emoji5]
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milesahead:
I don’t want to be rude, but that’s just hysteria, reed Franglais posts an keep calm [emoji5]
Hysteria is an ongoing theme running through this thread. 
Strikes me there are 650 MP’s in Whitehall who have over ridden the will of 17.4 million UK citizens, we voted to leave the EU and set it was set in law of this country so how come this can just be ignored, surely all of them should be held to book or do our laws now mean nothing. When interviewed they can never answer the question asked and just skirt round the issue which must be very frustrating for the person conducting the interview.
On the subject of stockpiling goods in the case of a no deal this is bunkum, we are involved in International transport still with ten trucks and we have been advised there will be no restrictions for at least two years so why all the panic, we have also been issued with a small allocation of permits but apparently these are only needed for Swiss journeys.
We as a company have had to provide a lot more documentation for the trailers which now have to have a number on for ID and we have also got separate green cards for them as well because sure as eggs are eggs if it’s got a number on it will be deemed a separate vehicle and for sure they will be checked over there, what will happen over here with 90% of trucks on International being foreigners, didley squat is the answer to that for sure very few checks on them.
Also we have to report to the Inland Revenue all the work carried out and who for so they have there finger on the pulse but have had communication from them to stop this as of the 29th at midnight so perhaps they know summit we do not or is that more wasted money and sent out to rapid, more cost.
All in all its chaos and all these Wayne Kerr’s in parliament are really interested in is there own well being and are all jockying to keep there lucrative incomes much the same as all those beaurocrats within the EU machine, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Strikes me there are 650 MP’s in Whitehall who have over ridden the will of 17.4 million UK citizens, we voted to leave the EU and set it was set in law of this country so how come this can just be ignored,
The EU referendum act clearly states that the government wouldn’t be bound by the result ( non binding document ).Strangely Farage didn’t say anything about it at the time.While everything we’ve seen since is the remain faction predictably taking advantage of that fact to reverse the decision.Just as it was designed to do in the event that Cameron/Hammond lost the vote.
While the whole scam is just a diversion from the fact that the ‘law of this country’ states that it’s the Queen’s job to stop anyone,including any type of bs vote,from handing over the country to a foreign power.It seems clear that like so many others you’ve bought into that diversion in thinking that it’s ok to vote the country out of existence and into foreign ruled/imposed vassalage in the form of whatever type of vote parliamentary or referendum while the Head of State happily signs the authorisation of it as of 1973 to date.
Buzzer:
Carryfast:
Exactly where has the PM or Bercow or even HM ever ‘advocated’ ‘granting the wish’ of no deal Brexit ( Leave means Leave ).Which side are you on ?.According to my Oxford Concise dictionary ADVOCATE means one who speaks in favour of a ( proposal etc ) which is exactly what TM is doing buy saying she will grant the wishes of those who voted to leave but in fact she has a completely different agenda in real terms, naff the backstop its all the other bad things in her deal which would keep us tied in to the EU with absolutely no say what so ever. You only have to read any of my other posts to leave you in no doubt that I voted to leave the abortion that is the EU so I don’t understand where you are coming from with your comment, Buzzer.
Join the club.
dexxy57:
Buzzer:
Carryfast:
Exactly where has the PM or Bercow or even HM ever ‘advocated’ ‘granting the wish’ of no deal Brexit ( Leave means Leave ).Which side are you on ?.According to my Oxford Concise dictionary ADVOCATE means one who speaks in favour of a ( proposal etc ) which is exactly what TM is doing buy saying she will grant the wishes of those who voted to leave but in fact she has a completely different agenda in real terms, naff the backstop its all the other bad things in her deal which would keep us tied in to the EU with absolutely no say what so ever. You only have to read any of my other posts to leave you in no doubt that I voted to leave the abortion that is the EU so I don’t understand where you are coming from with your comment, Buzzer.
Join the club.
No. No.
You’ve got it wrong.
We are IN the club, it’s leaving that is the problem.
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dexxy57:
Buzzer:
Carryfast:
Exactly where has the PM or Bercow or even HM ever ‘advocated’ ‘granting the wish’ of no deal Brexit ( Leave means Leave ).Which side are you on ?.According to my Oxford Concise dictionary ADVOCATE means one who speaks in favour of a ( proposal etc ) which is exactly what TM is doing buy saying she will grant the wishes of those who voted to leave but in fact she has a completely different agenda in real terms, naff the backstop its all the other bad things in her deal which would keep us tied in to the EU with absolutely no say what so ever. You only have to read any of my other posts to leave you in no doubt that I voted to leave the abortion that is the EU so I don’t understand where you are coming from with your comment, Buzzer.
Join the club.
Maybe this will help.
May is clearly on the side of remain and has been since before the referendum.
The fact that she has stalled Brexit for almost 3 years since the vote to leave and has allowed parliament to take over the process in the form of section 13 of the withdrawal act.With obvious results,being the extension and/or revocation of article 50 by the remain dominated parliament with the aim of keeping us tied to the EU.Is all self explanatory.Let alone the contradiction and implications of the government asking the Queen to give assent to Brexit on the grounds of Sovereignty having provided assent to the European Communities Act to Lisbon.Even if we had a UKIP majority in parliament.Which explains all of Farage’s wavering and stupidity from advising the UKIP vote to trust May then deliberately splitting the UKIP vote while saying nothing about the pointlessness of a non binding referendum which he tried to pretend was the last and final word.All the time knowing that both parliament and the head of state had no intention whatsoever of delivering a leave vote on any grounds of sovereignty nor could they without implicating the Queen.
Make no mistake this was all about trying to seal us into the EU,as part of a plan,to cover up/justify the head of state’s dodgy selling us out to her Kraut mates with the help of her stooge Heath followed by others from Callaghan to Thatcher to Major and Blair.The rest is history as those like Juddian will see on Friday.
As for Buzzer moaning about May deliberately sabotaging Brexit that’s like moaning that a shark will bite if you get into the water with it.
Franglais:
Join the club.
No. No.
You’ve got it wrong.
We are IN the club, it’s leaving that is the problem.
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Yeah, who’d have thought? The slick well-oiled machine that is the Tory government have had a few operational glitches.
dexxy57:
Yeah, who’d have thought? The slick well-oiled machine that is the Tory government have had a few operational glitches.
More like the pretence that it isn’t still the same Party which took us into the EU and which is enthusiastically keeping us in it under May’s and Hammond’s leadership while pretending the opposite and the remainers know it.
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Yeah, who’d have thought? The slick well-oiled machine that is the Tory government have had a few operational glitches.More like the pretence that it isn’t still the same Party which took us into the EU and which is enthusiastically keeping us in it under May’s and Hammond’s leadership while pretending the opposite and the remainers know it.
Ok, I’ve been patient, but enough is enough.
Your rants about the EUSSR and the Fourth Reich were amusing, in a kind of ‘point and laugh’ way.
With all respect, you are a nutcase.
dexxy57:
With all respect, you are a nutcase.
Now, now, Dexxy, in this modern politically-correct world of ours, you can’t go making statements like that - unless of course the same applies to you yourself, in which case you have a valid defence and can be excused ! Or you could just blame Brexit, it’s sending me barmy as well…
fodenway:
dexxy57:
With all respect, you are a nutcase.Now, now, Dexxy, in this modern politically-correct world of ours, you can’t go making statements like that - unless of course the same applies to you yourself, in which case you have a valid defence and can be excused ! Or you could just blame Brexit, it’s sending me barmy as well…
Takes a Yorkshire man to make sense of it all. (there’s sense in all this)?
…Half of the country voted remain, so it should be reflected in any outcome.
Question: One, is was not 50/50
Two, How would that work in a general election ? or do we manipulate democracy to suit. Harvey