animal:
The leavers got what they wanted they should now be happy
Remember when we voted to join the common market ( I was far to young to vote & don’t remember all of it tbh ) there was a lot of negotiations so there is a lot when we leave & of course the EU don’t want to make it easy so other countries don’t follow suit
Of course we don’t have the great bargaining as we are 1 they have 27 countries behind them so they are the stronger
I don’t think some people knew what they were actually voting for as know this happened a group of people who worked all voted to leave next day went into work all happy we won but the boss walked in told them all to go as now no job due to fact they were funded by the EU money pulled
First thing, we haven’t actually ‘got’ anything yet, and secondly there was never a vote to JOIN the Common Market. We were signed up to it in 1972 by Ted Heath without a referendum. We were promised that it was just a trade deal, with no mention whatsoever of loss of sovereignty. The 1975 referendum was won (suspiciously, according to some) by the remain side on that basis. It has since been revealed that much information was kept from us at the time, presumably to secure that outcome. Much has changed since, and no doubt there will be more revelations to come as the decades pass.
Exactly what financial ‘commitments’ have we supposedly signed up to in the event of us ever leaving and no longer being members of this stinking corrupt wannabee Federal superstate.Who signed and under what mandate of the Brit people did they have the authority to sign up to any such commitments.Everything about the EU is an illegal contract with the EU referring to equally illegal terms within it to extort money from us in addition to illegally masquerading as a self appointed de Jure let alone internationally recognised de Facto state.While under any normal system of government and a Head of State worthy of the name at this point we’d have told the EU we don’t recognise its authority over the European states under international law nor the treaties which Heath etc signed the country up to illegally.Wars have started over less than this amateurish take over attempt of the country.
Exactly what financial ‘commitments’ have we supposedly signed up to in the event of us ever leaving and no longer being members of this stinking corrupt wannabee Federal superstate.Who signed and under what mandate of the Brit people did they have the authority to sign up to any such commitments.Everything about the EU is an illegal contract with the EU referring to equally illegal terms within it to extort money from us in addition to illegally masquerading as a self appointed de Jure let alone internationally recognised de Facto state.While under any normal system of government and a Head of State worthy of the name at this point we’d have told the EU we don’t recognise its authority over the European states under international law nor the treaties which Heath etc signed the country up to illegally.Wars have started over less than this amateurish take over attempt of the country.
If only May had the bottle to confront the EU leaders with those questions and statements !
animal:
The leavers got what they wanted they should now be happy
Remember when we voted to join the common market ( I was far to young to vote & don’t remember all of it tbh ) there was a lot of negotiations so there is a lot when we leave & of course the EU don’t want to make it easy so other countries don’t follow suit
Of course we don’t have the great bargaining as we are 1 they have 27 countries behind them so they are the stronger
I don’t think some people knew what they were actually voting for as know this happened a group of people who worked all voted to leave next day went into work all happy we won but the boss walked in told them all to go as now no job due to fact they were funded by the EU money pulled
First thing, we haven’t actually ‘got’ anything yet, and secondly there was never a vote to JOIN the Common Market. We were signed up to it in 1972 by Ted Heath without a referendum. We were promised that it was just a trade deal, with no mention whatsoever of loss of sovereignty. The 1975 referendum was won (suspiciously, according to some) by the remain side on that basis. It has since been revealed that much information was kept from us at the time, presumably to secure that outcome. Much has changed since, and no doubt there will be more revelations to come as the decades pass.
And that is the bit so many remainers don’t get, that the EU has gradually over many years changed into something that is entirely different, and is changing still.
That cosy little collective mummy called the EU is about to morph into something more akin to the soviet union, complete with its own goosestepping army, you remember the army that Clog, our once deputy prime minister assured us was a figment of Farage’s imagination.
Just ask yourself why does the EU need its own army, is someone likely to attack?, surely no one still believes the MSM ■■■■■■■■ about Russia being the enemy?
That army has another purpose, to be sent in to quell dissent when the people of once independent nations (like us) decide they’d rather leave the EUSSR.
There’s a reason the mainstream media is ignoring whats going on in the treatment of the Yellow Vests in France, it’s an example (Catalan?) of how we’ll be dealt with should we not get out now whilst we can, and decide we don’t like the EU in another decade.
If the remainers win and we stay in, i hope they don’t expect any help or sympathy when in time to come the EU boot boys collective are goosetepping and cracking heads down their high street.
Juddian:
That cosy little collective mummy called the EU is about to morph into something more akin to the soviet union, complete with its own goosestepping army, you remember the army that Clog, our once deputy prime minister assured us was a figment of Farage’s imagination.
Just ask yourself why does the EU need its own army, is someone likely to attack?, surely no one still believes the MSM ■■■■■■■■ about Russia being the enemy?
That army has another purpose, to be sent in to quell dissent when the people of once independent nations (like us) decide they’d rather leave the EUSSR.
There’s a reason the mainstream media is ignoring whats going on in the treatment of the Yellow Vests in France, it’s an example (Catalan?) of how we’ll be dealt with should we not get out now whilst we can, and decide we don’t like the EU in another decade.
If the remainers win and we stay in, i hope they don’t expect any help or sympathy when in time to come the EU boot boys collective are goosetepping and cracking heads down their high street.
^This.
Although in this case the goose stepping army will include plenty of our own indoctrinated Fedralist fanatics helping their German and French led allies to put down Nationalist ‘rebels’.Oh wait we’ve been here before when Englishman suddenly became loyal servants of the Franco/Norman and Plantagenet invaders.Instead of going by Churchill’s words we will never surrender after the defeat in 1066 on the basis that the continentals only won a battle at Hastings and shouldn’t have been allowed to win the war.
tachograph:
^^^ I don’t think anyone knows who originally said this but it appears to be coming true
“The fascists of the future wil claim to be anti-fascists”
Sent from my mobile.
The future is already here isn’t it?
The Pres of the US has often said “I’m not a politician” as he stands up at a political rally, asking for votes, to gain political office…
Self description is rarely, if ever, a good guide to the truth.
tachograph:
^^^ I don’t think anyone knows who originally said this but it appears to be coming true
“The fascists of the future wil claim to be anti-fascists”
The future is already here isn’t it?
The Pres of the US has often said “I’m not a politician” as he stands up at a political rally, asking for votes, to gain political office…
Self description is rarely, if ever, a good guide to the truth.
Trump isn’t a career politician but that hardly makes him a fascist
Frankly if we had someone like Trump at the head of our government we may not be giving out billions of pounds in foreign aid while our own people freez to death in shop doorways, while our NHS falls apart at the seems ec’t ec’t.
By the way the quote I used has been attributed to Winston Churchill but I believe that idea has been refuted.
At last we are seeing a bit of realism from the other side of the channel about how EU countries will be affected by a no deal Brexit, rather than all this constant doom and gloom forecast for the UK only. To be honest I am surprised that the current cold snap isn’t being blamed on Brexit!
I feel sorry for this lady but it is an encouraging sign that the EU self appointed demigods are going to be put under increasing pressure to adopt a more reasonable attitude than: “everyone must obey our rules… er that is until it suits us for them not to do so”. This is definitely over to them, because we can quite easily do without these imports of Dutch fruit, veg and flowers - and much more besides from other EU countries - especially if it take 50,000 lorries off our roads just from Holland .
All this nonsense about inspecting goods on borders to see if they comply with EU standards is just what one would expect from a bunch of schoolkids playing silly buggers. The time has come for these puffed-out, self-important EU fat bellies to star co-operating rather than dreaming up ways of being obstructive. Otherwise they will find out just how awkward and bloody-minded the British can be.
cav551:
At last we are seeing a bit of realism from the other side of the channel about how EU countries will be affected by a no deal Brexit, rather than all this constant doom and gloom forecast for the UK only. To be honest I am surprised that the current cold snap isn’t being blamed on Brexit!
I feel sorry for this lady but it is an encouraging sign that the EU self appointed demigods are going to be put under increasing pressure to adopt a more reasonable attitude than: “everyone must obey our rules… er that is until it suits us for them not to do so”. This is definitely over to them, because we can quite easily do without these imports of Dutch fruit, veg and flowers - and much more besides from other EU countries - especially if it take 50,000 lorries off our roads just from Holland .
All this nonsense about inspecting goods on borders to see if they comply with EU standards is just what one would expect from a bunch of schoolkids playing silly buggers. The time has come for these puffed-out, self-important EU fat bellies to star co-operating rather than dreaming up ways of being obstructive. Otherwise they will find out just how awkward and bloody-minded the British can be.
tachograph:
^^^ I don’t think anyone knows who originally said this but it appears to be coming true
“The fascists of the future wil claim to be anti-fascists”
The future is already here isn’t it?
The Pres of the US has often said “I’m not a politician” as he stands up at a political rally, asking for votes, to gain political office…
Self description is rarely, if ever, a good guide to the truth.
Trump isn’t a career politician but that hardly makes him a fascist
Frankly if we had someone like Trump at the head of our government we may not be giving out billions of pounds in foreign aid while our own people freez to death in shop doorways, while our NHS falls apart at the seems ec’t ec’t.
By the way the quote I used has been attributed to Winston Churchill but I believe that idea has been refuted.
I wasn’t saying he was a fascist.
I was saying it isn’t solely fascists who deny their identity.
Not having an elected, public service post previously, doesn’t (IMHO) make him a debutante to politics.
Franglais:
The Pres of the US has often said “I’m not a politician” as he stands up at a political rally, asking for votes, to gain political office…
Self description is rarely, if ever, a good guide to the truth.
Or the President of the biggest Federation on the planet,trampling over the self determination of States like Texas,saying that he supports secession in Europe.Yeah right.
Franglais:
The Pres of the US has often said “I’m not a politician” as he stands up at a political rally, asking for votes, to gain political office…
Self description is rarely, if ever, a good guide to the truth.
Or the President of the biggest Federation on the planet,trampling over the self determination of States like Texas,saying that he supports secession in Europe.Yeah right.
Be fair, his country supported the secession of Texas from Mexico. And presumably the annexation to the US.
Oh yes, and then condemned the annexation of Crimea by Russia from Ukraine, despite the fact that it had been ‘given’ to Ukraine by a former Russian leader who was…oh yes, Ukrainian.
Whatever next with all these devious politicians? Annexation of UK by US to compensate for the ‘gift’ of vast US territory to the Indians. ?
Perhaps better not to get too tangled up with history when trying to understand a current problem, eh?
cav551:
At last we are seeing a bit of realism from the other side of the channel about how EU countries will be affected by a no deal Brexit, rather than all this constant doom and gloom forecast for the UK only. To be honest I am surprised that the current cold snap isn’t being blamed on Brexit!
I feel sorry for this lady but it is an encouraging sign that the EU self appointed demigods are going to be put under increasing pressure to adopt a more reasonable attitude than: “everyone must obey our rules… er that is until it suits us for them not to do so”. This is definitely over to them, because we can quite easily do without these imports of Dutch fruit, veg and flowers - and much more besides from other EU countries - especially if it take 50,000 lorries off our roads just from Holland .
All this nonsense about inspecting goods on borders to see if they comply with EU standards is just what one would expect from a bunch of schoolkids playing silly buggers. The time has come for these puffed-out, self-important EU fat bellies to star co-operating rather than dreaming up ways of being obstructive. Otherwise they will find out just how awkward and bloody-minded the British can be.
I’m trying to untangle your post.
For ages the EU has been saying both sides will suffer in a Hard Brexit. Delays at the borders due to extra checks and documents will cause headaches and costs. The UK food chain has insufficient storage to provide any buffer. Haven’t we on the remain side being saying that clearly enough?
The Dutch are looking at employing many more customs officials and see the good chain lenghthening. All of this will cost money and guess who’ll pay?
Supermarkets are well known to source food cheaply. There are no big supplier margins to cut. Extra supply chain costs will be passed to the end consumer.
The EU are “playing silly buggers” by ensuring goods sold in countries are up to their standards?
Do you think they should allow just anything in at all? How happy would you be if we did the same?
No checks on imports safety standards? Hardly “Nanny State” to ensure imports aren’t cheap n nasty rubbish undercutting home produced and safer goods.
Or a special case for the UK?
Wake Up!
Any way it’s a BBC report you’ve linked to, so obviously it’s UK Gov propaganda…
Franglais:
The EU are “playing silly buggers” by ensuring goods sold in countries are up to their standards?
Do you think they should allow just anything in at all? How happy would you be if we did the same?
No checks on imports safety standards? Hardly “Nanny State” to ensure imports aren’t cheap n nasty rubbish undercutting home produced and safer goods.
Or a special case for the UK?
Wake Up!
How would the container ports work if every container and every item was checked for safety standards before being allowed off the ship let alone out of the dock gates and why would ‘trading standards’ be the responsibility of local authorities if it’s all done at the point of landing as opposed sale.As for cheap nasty rubbish undercutting home produced goods since when did the EU impose an import ban on Chinese goods in that case.
After watching Question time last night the first thing I would like to say is I like Fiona Bruce’s controlling skills especially when any of the panel go off on a tangent and are not answering the question put forward by a member of the audience so a pat on the back for her.
One of the enquiries was as usual about the back stop and I feel there is far too much importance attached to this particular point albeit that it is important but while all we here is much about that bit of TM’s deal what about the rest of the 500 odd pages of her agreement, there are far more important bits in that dossier than the bloody back stop, the EU must be laughing at us just looking at that backstop and forgetting what else is contained in the DEAL.
Should the EU move at all on the back stop which I don’t think they will even though they don’t want a no deal situation if I was TM I would not go back to Brussels at all but she has to due to pressure from the rest of the parliament, I would let them sweat. Personally I think all the government bods are only thinking about there own financial positions and could not give a toss about the general public or the country, we should have no further contact with the EU just leave with no deal and get on.
The rest of TM’s deal is far worse than actually staying in the EU if you look at it in detail, we will have given up our everything this country has with no say or redress at all, we will just be a tax pawn to a corrupt Union with no spine, just hope Italy falls over and the whole EU implodes here’s hoping then we wont have to do a thing, Buzzer.
assured us was a figment of Farage’s imagination.
