Why does the currently named Mr.Robinson have a history of using false names ?
On Wikepedia he is listed as also known as…
Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon , Andrew McMaster , Paul Harris , Wayne King .
Doesn’t seem like a very nice individual to me
OwenMoney:
Why does the currently named Mr.Robinson have a history of using false names ?
On Wikepedia he is listed as also known as…Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon , Andrew McMaster , Paul Harris , Wayne King .
Doesn’t seem like a very nice individual to me
There is a thread about him in Bully`s
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=147760
Hard to see any redeeming features in him at all.
Franglais:
OwenMoney:
Why does the currently named Mr.Robinson have a history of using false names ?
On Wikepedia he is listed as also known as…Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon , Andrew McMaster , Paul Harris , Wayne King .
Doesn’t seem like a very nice individual to me
There is a thread about him in Bully`s
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=147760Hard to see any redeeming features in him at all.
Which supposed issues and what has he actually said specifically that you have a problem with and don’t like ?.
Franglais:
ramone:
On Sky News this morning it was announced that there’s a shortage of blood pressure tablets because companies have been panic buying from abroad and it has left them short.Wait a minute why are we importing them … because like the place in Leeds our manufacturers were bought out and production moved overseas. There are endless opportunities for this country to bring back UK manufacturing with Brexit but the scaremongering continuesHow will that happen in a Free Market Economy ?
Why would a manufacturer choose to set up in the UK? Why choose a country with no existing trade deals?
The de-regulated Brexit we are heading for, is likely to help the international carpet-bagging financiers, I thought you were opposed to? It wants less regulations, easier, and cheaper imports, it is no friend to long term investment in plant or people. It is not much supported by manufacturers but is liked by who?
Those who want MORE cheap imports, and don’t care about having a wide, stable, home market such as the EU.
Look at deals we, as members of the EU, arein, or are negotiating :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ … agreements
Look at the ones we are close to post Brexit:
…
Hhmmmm. So how many companies are likely to set up anew here?The UK has a population of 66m.
The EU has 512m, post Brexit, 446m.
The whole block can be served by 1 or 2 largewidgetfactories. Will they be built where their products are subject to tax on 66m of sales or on 446m of sales ?
And suggesting a company will simply build a new, small and hence inefficient, plant here is incredible. Free Markets have found it’s often more efficient to have onewidgetor tablet factory.New plant will only come with massive Gov input and I really think neither of us expect that, do we?
Well according to the remoaners the EU wont be trading with us so all the companies that were established over here before the EEC and swallowed up into now the EU would have probably survived just like they did before the EEC and with your mindset of cant be done is typical of the cant do attitude today . God knows how we would have survived from 1939 to 1945 with your ideals . No let Hitler and his boys get on with their tour of Europe and when hes done we can hop and skip to his tune … sound familiar■■?
Morning all, Giving this copy and paste thing a go. Harvey
There we are then.
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
Franglais:
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
- part of NewsCorp, hardly a reliable or ethically pure source?
It’s obvious that nothing short of your PRAVDA type EU Federalist propaganda machine would be classed as a ‘pure source’ by your lot.
As a net contributor to its budget and a net importer of its exports it’s bleedin obvious to even Stevie Wonder that by definition we don’t ‘need’ our EU membership for economic reasons.Let alone giving up sovereignty and democratic accountability to be ruled by EU wide QMV and Politburo dictat for the privilege.
On that note yes it can be sorted out in a morning by unilateral abolition of the European Communities Act and turning the clock back to 1972 regarding the UK statute book and trade policy.Job done.If the EU then wants to impose an illegal trade embargo in retaliation for secession of a member state that should be a matter for international law and the forces to sort out.Bearing in mind that the EU isn’t even a declared de Jure,let alone recognised de Facto, state in its own right.
Having said that it seems obvious that the Leave vote and UKIP might as well abandon the pointless issue of so called Brexit and change our stance to remain and then smashing the EU Federal government system from within.Together with the help of other European Nationalist groups thereby creating the Confederal Europe of Sovereign Nation States which it should have been from the start and what this argument is really all about IE Federalism v Nationalism bearing in mind that ■■■■ Germany,like the Soviet Union and Yugoslav mess were all the products of Federalism in all its forms not Nationalism.
ramone:
Well according to the remoaners the EU wont be trading with us so all the companies that were established over here before the EEC and swallowed up into now the EU would have probably survived just like they did before the EEC and with your mindset of cant be done is typical of the cant do attitude today . God knows how we would have survived from 1939 to 1945 with your ideals . No let Hitler and his boys get on with their tour of Europe and when hes done we can hop and skip to his tune … sound familiar■■?
Who says EU will stop trade with us?
We are, where we are.
Revising our post WWII economic history will not bring back British Leyland. Blame unions or Thatcher as you like, blame anyone; but we are now in 2019, we are not the leader of an Empire.
We wouldn’t have gotten on well in 1939 if we tried re-imagining our post Victorian history. We survived because of a toughness and pragmatism. We got on with the job. We didn’t blame others for our errors, then. The cry-baby attitude that our poor balance of payments is anyone`s fault but our own is lamentable. Other countries in the EU working under the same rules do ok. If we could do better, blame Westminster not just Brussels.
We must go forward now with our eyes open, not believing the lies about the imaginary capitulation of EU negotiators, as laughably predicted by many Brexiteers.
The backwards looking of some is killing any chance we have of a stable and prosperous future.
Franglais:
Morning all, Giving this copy and paste thing a go. Harvey
There we are then.
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
- part of NewsCorp, hardly a reliable or ethically pure source?
The biggest spenders during the run up to the referendum, ie the government sent a leaflet out to everyone saying that Brexiting would result in ten years of disruption whilst we renegotiated.
I think most people are intelligent enough to take the more aredent brexiteers claim of Little disruption and the government’s promise of ten years and conclude there will be some disruption for a while.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
OwenMoney:
Why does the currently named Mr.Robinson have a history of using false names ?
On Wikepedia he is listed as also known as…Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon , Andrew McMaster , Paul Harris , Wayne King .
Doesn’t seem like a very nice individual to me
There is a thread about him in Bully`s
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=147760Hard to see any redeeming features in him at all.
Which supposed issues and what has he actually said specifically that you have a problem with and don’t like ?.
Link him up with Abu Hamza - Just plain and simple nasty vitriolic speeches to the weak minded and gullible.
Franglais:
ramone:
On Sky News this morning it was announced that there’s a shortage of blood pressure tablets because companies have been panic buying from abroad and it has left them short.Wait a minute why are we importing them … because like the place in Leeds our manufacturers were bought out and production moved overseas. There are endless opportunities for this country to bring back UK manufacturing with Brexit but the scaremongering continuesHow will that happen in a Free Market Economy ?
Why would a manufacturer choose to set up in the UK? Why choose a country with no existing trade deals?
The de-regulated Brexit we are heading for, is likely to help the international carpet-bagging financiers, I thought you were opposed to? It wants less regulations, easier, and cheaper imports, it is no friend to long term investment in plant or people. It is not much supported by manufacturers but is liked by who?
Those who want MORE cheap imports, and don’t care about having a wide, stable, home market such as the EU.
Look at deals we, as members of the EU, arein, or are negotiating :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ … agreements
Look at the ones we are close to post Brexit:
…
Hhmmmm. So how many companies are likely to set up anew here?The UK has a population of 66m.
The EU has 512m, post Brexit, 446m.
The whole block can be served by 1 or 2 largewidgetfactories. Will they be built where their products are subject to tax on 66m of sales or on 446m of sales ?
And suggesting a company will simply build a new, small and hence inefficient, plant here is incredible. Free Markets have found it’s often more efficient to have onewidgetor tablet factory.New plant will only come with massive Gov input and I really think neither of us expect that, do we?
Therein lies the much bigger problem of the EU and whether we remain in it or not, but which has been brought to a head by the intention of leaving. As has been mentioned British manufacturers have been either bought out, or their parent companies have exported production; and thus profits for reinvestment and taxes on those profits; to the new host country leaving GB with scarcely any manufacturing industry. This has led to a decline in our economy only partly counterbalanced by our financial services ‘industry’ and high technology industries. Little interest remains for investment in new plant unless an absolute killing is seen by the potential investor. The news about our proposed nuclear power stations illustrates the fact that the country has lost control of its destiny - leaving it in the hands of foreign conglomerates and the financial institutions.
The message about taking back control is the fundamental issue which underpins the future success of the UK. We have got ourselves into this mess by allowing this export of our economic control to big business and to EU control of our trading relationship. The ‘Plant’ needed to revitalise our economy is going to have to come from Government investment in our infrastructure and support for retaining and the resurgence of our essential industries. That is going to mean that the finance will have to come from tax receipts and government borrowing. This means a long term outlook and a less selfish attitude.
We hear a lot from remain supporters about the future of our young, which they say has to be with the EU - wrong, their vision is far too short term, we have to look far beyond the doom and gloom being prophesied for our future outside the EU to see where our prosperity lies. Our future is in rebuilding this country, not in hanging onto the coat tails of an external organisation in the hope of some scraps from its table. We are selling our youth and more importantly their grandchildren short if we are not prepared to suffer potentially some pain over the next probable five years, maybe even ten years, to regain control of our future. To do otherwise means stagnation, and ultimately a continued spiral to the bottom of the barrel under the burden of continued financial support for direction from a failing outside mandate over which we have no redress.
albion:
Franglais:
Morning all, Giving this copy and paste thing a go. Harvey
There we are then.
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
- part of NewsCorp, hardly a reliable or ethically pure source?
The biggest spenders during the run up to the referendum, ie the government sent a leaflet out to everyone saying that Brexiting would result in ten years of disruption whilst we renegotiated.
I think most people are intelligent enough to take the more aredent brexiteers claim of Little disruption and the government’s promise of ten years and conclude there will be some disruption for a while.
A Gov mail shot is plain to see for what it is. Indeed some will be happy to go against ANY Gov suggestions, and think they are being independent. But the relentlessly repeated bias from some news outlets is wearing. The Beeb comes in for criticism, and some of it is justified, but its streets ahead of many others. Watch Sky or Fox, read Sun or Times and we know you won't get a balanced view of the world, all are part of the Dirty Diggers empire.
The mix of real and fake news with opinion, the clever use of social media is a real danger to a peaceful democracy.
Sorry if I sound like a conspiracy theorist! But a working democracy needs an informed public. As any modem medical ethicist will agree only Informed Consent is valid , so only votes cast in light of true information are worthwhile. Clearly there is room for Informed debate, but misinformed debate is far too common.
Taking the average of two disparate views may work sometimes, but remember the BBC reporting of Andrew Wakefield to see the harm an oversimplified balance can do.
All remainers tend to stand by the BBC 
Even if half hearted .The BBC is a propaganda machine and we are forced to fund it .That is the joke here,People paying to fund such drivel .Not at any point have the BBC had any thing good to say about what could be this Countries saving grace ,Leaving the trumped up EU .Half of the remainers i speak with , can not even give any facts in favour of the EU other than bbc tripe ,Simply arguing the loss they felt from 2016 …
OwenMoney:
Carryfast:
Which supposed issues and what has he actually said specifically that you have a problem with and don’t like ?.Link him up with Abu Hamza - Just plain and simple nasty vitriolic speeches to the weak minded and gullible.
No surprise nothing specific there.
More like opposition to those like Hamza and more importantly the stinking corrupt alliance with the Saudi regime that has brought radical Islam onto our streets,all based on facts.
cav551:
Therein lies the much bigger problem of the EU and whether we remain in it or not, but which has been brought to a head by the intention of leaving. As has been mentioned British manufacturers have been either bought out, or their parent companies have exported production; and thus profits for reinvestment and taxes on those profits; to the new host country leaving GB with scarcely any manufacturing industry. This has led to a decline in our economy only partly counterbalanced by our financial services ‘industry’ and high technology industries. Little interest remains for investment in new plant unless an absolute killing is seen by the potential investor. The news about our proposed nuclear power stations illustrates the fact that the country has lost control of its destiny - leaving it in the hands of foreign conglomerates and the financial institutions.The message about taking back control is the fundamental issue which underpins the future success of the UK. We have got ourselves into this mess by allowing this export of our economic control to big business and to EU control of our trading relationship. The ‘Plant’ needed to revitalise our economy is going to have to come from Government investment in our infrastructure and support for retaining and the resurgence of our essential industries. That is going to mean that the finance will have to come from tax receipts and government borrowing. This means a long term outlook and a less selfish attitude.
We hear a lot from remain supporters about the future of our young, which they say has to be with the EU - wrong, their vision is far too short term, we have to look far beyond the doom and gloom being prophesied for our future outside the EU to see where our prosperity lies. Our future is in rebuilding this country, not in hanging onto the coat tails of an external organisation in the hope of some scraps from its table. We are selling our youth and more importantly their grandchildren short if we are not prepared to suffer potentially some pain over the next probable five years, maybe even ten years, to regain control of our future. To do otherwise means stagnation, and ultimately a continued spiral to the bottom of the barrel under the burden of continued financial support for direction from a failing outside mandate over which we have no redress.
But the problem you accurately describe is not just the EU !
It is a global problem, isnt it? Globalization is affecting the USA too. Isnt a lot of Trumps core support in the US rust belt? Apple (as American as....apple pie!) manufacture much of their goods in China. Harley Davidson are moving out, even under Trump, indeed largely because of Trumps trade war.
And thats the danger I see: recognising a problem isnt the same as curing it.
Saying that the increasing globalisation, since weve been in the EU, can be cured by us leaving the EU is not sound. Germany and France havent shut down manufacturing to the same extent the UK has. Surely, they too have problems, but not as serious as our post Thatcher existence. It is not correct to say our problems are the EUs fault. Within the EU there is at least some attempt at a level paying field. Not there yet agreed, but within its area there are rules to try discourage undercutting through dirty and dangerous practices. (“An interfering super-state stopping our freedom of action”, or a rule setter, preventing others from undercutting us by unfair means?)
To make any product a manufacturer needs a wide stable home market, surely? The EU is just that. Leaving will shrink the home market and in a No Deal could increase the cost of export under WTO tariffs. As you have pointed out business is international, and the simple sums dictate that factories will be built to minimise costs. They wont be built in a small place with trade and other barriers around it, with a bigger, more stable market right next door. Leaving will be worse for the future of manufacturing, not better. Major manufacturers, mostly, dont start in garages and grow. And even if they do, when they get major investment, it won`t be from the Bank on the corner. Producers, to give themselves a fair go, must be prepared to move.
In the present day, a single country is hardly a viable entity. Why seek to leave the free market of the 2nd largest economy in the world? So global big business leaders can force us to accept lower wages and worse conditions (in a competitive Britain) to make up for tariffs on our goods? That is the swash buckling future the Leavers are after.
Leaving the EU is not regaining control of anything. Unless we are hunkering down and becoming hermits, we exist in a trading capitalistic world. We are stronger as part of a large group, than as a single country. We can exert more power in deals, with mega corps & countries, as part of a twenty trillion dollar economy than as a three trillion $ economy.
Outside of the EU we will still be subject their standards, if we wish to sell to them. And to refuse to sell to them is economic suicide. That is truly screwing the future of our kids. Inside we help set those rules, outside we merely accept them.
You mention another serious problem in short-termism.
Agreed. But that is surely an issue in all democracies with regular elections? Voters say they want long term investment, but vote for short term tax cuts! Short term thinking is part of our democratic condition. Long term investment is easier with no electorate.
If you accept a wry smile, and a tongue in my cheek, that is a good argument for the EU: with no annual election the much hated Commissioners can afford to take a long term view, and force us to accept the short term investment in cleaner tech for our futures! World class companies wanting to sell in the EU must obey. It may cost us more today, but is an investment in the future.
You say we need to see where our prosperity lies.
Well, look at this:
inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit
As members of the EU we have outdone the US, Germany and France in per capita growth since 1973. We have done rather well compared to other developed economies. Not well enough for some, but in the real world, where we are now, with all its upsndowns, what can we expect? The world is changing. It isnt the rapid growth of reconstruction after a war, with no thoughts of over population, and no concept of pollution. It isnt going to be so lively a world manufacturing economy again. Well, I feel the chill too. But I reckon well be better grouped in the EU than out in cold alone.
Franglais:
HRS:
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Morning all, Giving this copy and paste thing a go. HarveyThere we are then.
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
- part of NewsCorp, hardly a reliable or ethically pure source?
Is it not more to do with what she is saying, rather than who she is working for, maybe that thinking is what the real debate problem is all about. Harvey
HRS:
Franglais:
HRS:
YOU NEED TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS, DONT SCROLL PAST ......This Newsreader in Australia Speaks more sense in this one broadcast than anything i have... | By Mick | Facebook
Morning all, Giving this copy and paste thing a go. HarveyThere we are then.
As we were told 3 years ago the exit negotiations are all easy, they need us more than we them, and SkyNews (Australia*) reckon we could sort it all out in a morning! That means they can sort out Palestine after lunch, and probably solve Korea before the cocktail hour.
- part of NewsCorp, hardly a reliable or ethically pure source?
Is it not more to do with what she is saying, rather than who she is working for, maybe that thinking is what the real debate problem is all about. Harvey
Is she not just repeating the fiction of simple talks to fix a good deal? It’s been two years and those predictions of German car makers forcing Brussels to concede to all our demands have been shown as nonsense.
And putting these opinion pieces on a “News” programme is truly awful.
The editorial position seems to be it’s all easy-peasy and the piece merely repeats that opinion without substantive evidence.
The hand of that well known Austra… sorry… now American citizen Murdoch is all over this.
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The latest poll on Sky news this morning was for a second referendum the results were 44% in favour and 56% against so therefore we should have another referendum because the minority stamps its feet if they dont get their waya9 
ramone:
The latest poll on Sky news this morning was for a second referendum the results were 44% in favour and 56% against so therefore we should have another referendum because the minority stamps its feet if they dont get their waya9
You have just about summed up the state of politics today in the UK “ramone” that we are now in the position that the losing side now becomes the winner !! talk about turning reality upside down ! Nothing surprises me any longer ! Cheers Dennis.
You have to wonder about the "Bombing " in Derry .
How far will this project fear go .