Buzzer.
I disagree with some of the stuff you believe in here,and Im sure you do with me.Each to their own.Ill respect yours and would hope you respect mine.
However,your point about Parliament and the antics going on there ring true.I listened to Mrs May last Thursday week,live on 5 live,and the barricking,guffawing and general mob rule going on,did little to instill confidence in your representatives.
The vast majority of them should be ashamed of themselves.
ramone:
I put Sky news on last night when i got hpme to be greeted with the headline Labour to put their weight behind a second referendum .Two things here the first being that the Labour leader has always been a Eurosceptic the second is that all those people who vote Labour and voted leave are going to have a big decision on their hands has Labour are know saying they dont agree with democracy
What happens (God forbid) if we do have a second vote and there’s a bigger majority that vote leave do we have another vote until the noisey minority get their own way .I think anyone with an ounce of sense will see right through these arrogant EU leaders and realise they are in it for their selves.It would be interesting to see the outcome of a vote for every country in the EU to leave or stay i bet the big contributors general public would want out especially the Germans
It’s more likely that the first referendum was rigged but somehow didn’t throw away/mis count quite enough of the mountain of leave votes.They won’t make that mistake with the second one.While even if we could guarantee a straight count what if Remain win it with 53% v 52 %.No surprise the leave vote will then be expected to honour the extra 1 % majority.As for Labour Corbyn is just a patsy to stop the so called far left from splitting the ‘Labour’ vote by staying at home or voting for the SLP.No one should be naive enough to think that Starmer and the Blairites aren’t still in control.Or for that matter that Corbyn’s supposed Euro scepticism wasn’t long ago abandoned having predictably been outweighed by his Soviet Socialist ideology.Which,like Unite’s deluded leadership,he sees as being incompatible,with what by definition can only be the ideologically Nationalist idea of secession from the EU.On that note what the Blairites,Con Federalists,and Soviet Socialists all have in common is to do whatever it takes to hijack the Brexit process to keep us tied to the EU and make no mistake they are all allied in that aim.
While history says that this ideological argument won’t be settled by any ballot box.Especially the type of rigged process being run by this stinking unholy Con Federalist/Soviet Socialist alliance.
Buzzer:
Bewick:
Nice one Buzzer ! I got one from our Son but Mother Teresa’s “boat” was where Corbyn’s is ! Oh! and I’ve just heard on the radio news that Teresa has said if she gets “blown out” on the vote it will be a crash out with no deal AND there will NOT be another referendum either !! Now She’s talking eh! Cheers Dennis.Dennis I think if she loses on the vote she will definitely go out without a deal just so she can tell every one " I told you so " but I think we will do well when the shackles are off and we will show the rest of the EU how to do it in style, That Mark Carney wants to naff off back to Canada in all he has no grounds scaremongering like the rest of them, they are just ass lickers, Gove and the like in it for there own financial benefit and nought else, rule Brittania and all that, Buzzer
Which when deciphered translates as a hidden message to her cross party remainer mates trust me high fives and drinks all round I’ve pulled off remain + with this ‘deal’ and we’d be mad to have to go through all the aggro of a second referendum.When signing the country up to this keeps us in the game and gets rid of UKIP’s MEP’s until the next election when I’ll chuck away what remains of the Con vote so that Starmer and Cable can take over the show in which case they’re already ahead with UKIP gone,the ECJ in control,and a no secession clause in place.Who needs a second referendum then.
On that note my money is on this ‘deal’ being passed being a foregone conclusion and everything else being a pretence by supposedly upset remainers and controlled opposition Leavers including Mogg and even Farage.
As for May ever being up for a no deal Brexit dream on.This was always going to be the choice of a fake referendum followed by the choice of fake Brexit ( Remain + ) or keep voting until they get the right answer ( Remain + ) ( this time managing to remove/miscount all of the mountain of Leave votes without missing a load ).
whiplash:
Buzzer.
I disagree with some of the stuff you believe in here,and Im sure you do with me.Each to their own.Ill respect yours and would hope you respect mine.
However,your point about Parliament and the antics going on there ring true.I listened to Mrs May last Thursday week,live on 5 live,and the barricking,guffawing and general mob rule going on,did little to instill confidence in your representatives.
The vast majority of them should be ashamed of themselves.
Which translates as the Remainers know that May is working for them and the Leave side should stop insulting the traitor.( While just to remove any doubt I don’t regard controlled opposition Mogg or BoJo or even Davis as being on the leave side either with them just putting on a not even credible act in that regard ).If that wasn’t the case they’d have called the Conservative Party what it is and walked away to join UKIP triggering some very uncomfortable by elections for May and her Remain alliance rabble.
Buzzer:
Just been reading a bit about Italy’s finances and it aint looking too rosy, they are £1.3 trillion in the red which is 131% of there GDP second highest in the EU after Greece, they want the lira back and according to opinion there situation is a far greater problem to the EU than Brexit and reckon that Italy is far to big to fall but its not looking good. There spend plan is not good to rectify the situation at all, lets hope they do fall out and crush the EU at the same time, that will save the UK a whole lot of bother, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Interesting bit of reading, Buzzer
For it to work for us it needs to hurt the EU.IE we rebalance the trading relationship that’s their trade surplus advantage gone and we stop further contributions to their budget which by definition means No Deals.Last but not least the EU knows that realistically if we leave others will want to follow us out the door.In which case they have nothing to lose and everything to gain in their pathetic attempts to keep us in.Obviously including their empty threats of putting us under a trade embargo and using their Federalist quislings among the Brit establishment to do whatever it takes to reverse the decision to Leave.Including the tactic of trying to wrong foot the Leave vote using Cameron’s/Hammond’s/May’s fake Brexit plan.
Bearing in mind that we voted to leave the EU.We didn’t vote for any ‘deals’ which maintain the status quo.Let alone one which makes it more difficult for us to walk away effectively needing the EU’s permission to leave.
It aint over yet lads.
One thing you can be sure of the tories do not want to lose their seats or see the tory party destroyed.
They may have little idea of patriotism and have long since lost belief in democracy, but falling on their swords isn’t in their culture and failing to destroy chairman May’s surrender to the fourth reich is effectively their political suicide note.
I think May and her uncivil service cohorts betrayal plan will be voted down in the commons, there will be no renegotiation or another deal, and we will leave under WTO terms in March which is exactly what the vast majority of us voted for, and i truly believe the backbone of the country at large (ie not those in the westmonster and islington champagne socialist bubbles) also want this, if anything more people (including previous remainers who can see a turd rolled in glitter) are now on board, the EU are doing us a great service by threatening us…you’d think a quick look at not so long ago history would have told them nothing comes good of threatening the real Britons.
> Juddian:
> you’d think a quick look at not so long ago history would have told them nothing comes good of threatening the real Britons.
Who do you think the real Britons are Juddian? Celtic Britons - Wikipedia
With the beginning of Anglo-Saxon settlement and Gaelic Scots in the 5th century, the culture and language of the Britons fragmented and much of their territory was taken over by the Anglo-Saxons (Inglish) and Scots Gaels.
As much as the English would love to be Britons they are no more Britons than their fellow immigrants from Poland/Pakistan or other parts of the world
whisperingsmith:
With the beginning of Anglo-Saxon settlement and Gaelic Scots in the 5th century, the culture and language of the Britons fragmented and much of their territory was taken over by the Anglo-Saxons (Inglish) and Scots Gaels.As much as the English would love to be Britons they are no more Britons than their fellow immigrants from Poland/Pakistan or other parts of the world
By your logic there were never any Nation States known as England or Scotland or Ireland all with their own sovereign governments and relatively advanced societies and cultures.Nor in fact any countries or national borders at all around the world assuming that we want to go back far enough into Human history.
No surprise that the Polish didn’t welcome their fellow Germanic tribes and Russian Slavs to take over their country in 1939 based on pre Polish state formation history.Also don’t see Pakistan dissolving its Nation State status and tearing down its borders based on the same logic that Pakistanis are all historically Eurasians of one form or another like the rest of us.
However if you’re just using that silly analogy,to point out that Brexit is inconsistent with the continuation of the Franco Norman invention of the UK I’d agree.
Which makes the case for us remaining in the EU,let alone making ourselves stateless by abolishing the country and going back to the iron age by making ourselves an open borders free for all part of the Eurasian land mass,how.
Juddian:
It aint over yet lads.
One thing you can be sure of the tories do not want to lose their seats or see the tory party destroyed.They may have little idea of patriotism and have long since lost belief in democracy, but falling on their swords isn’t in their culture and failing to destroy chairman May’s surrender to the fourth reich is effectively their political suicide note.
I think May and her uncivil service cohorts betrayal plan will be voted down in the commons, there will be no renegotiation or another deal, and we will leave under WTO terms in March which is exactly what the vast majority of us voted for, and i truly believe the backbone of the country at large (ie not those in the westmonster and islington champagne socialist bubbles) also want this, if anything more people (including previous remainers who can see a turd rolled in glitter) are now on board, the EU are doing us a great service by threatening us…you’d think a quick look at not so long ago history would have told them nothing comes good of threatening the real Britons.
Firstly there’s a sizeable chunk of the Tory vote well outside of the Islington set which is no less rabidly pro EU Federalist than the Blairite champagne socialists.Ironically Raab’s constituency being one of them.
While it’s a reasonable bet that the main opposition to May is all about just an inter remain argument as to the best way to over turn the Leave decision varying from going along with May’s fake Brexit.To another referendum.Or my bet more delaying tactics by extending article 50 with the EU’s blessing until May can then hand it all over to a LabLib alliance with another General Election.Or maybe they’ll suddenly realise that they can pick and mix all of those by actually going with May at which point the EU still holds more than enough cards under May’s fake Brexit ( remain + ) deal to take maximum advantage of a LabLibConSNP remain alliance when May inevitably calls the election regardless.At which point they then start from a position of the ECJ still holding supremacy over us,continuation of our contributons,and effectively a no secession clause.What’s not to like from the point of view of the remainers.So my money is on this vote going through.While even if it doesn’t we can bet that it’s only because the remainers see more advantage in going for the option of a second referendum/general election based on the gamble that UKIP can’t get into a position of power.
Realistically either UKIP gets enough seats in parliament to defeat the combined might of the LabLibConSNP pro EU rabble or the country is toast with it now being all about the next GE which will effectively be the second and real EU referendum.
whisperingsmith:
> Juddian:
> you’d think a quick look at not so long ago history would have told them nothing comes good of threatening the real Britons.Who do you think the real Britons are Juddian? Celtic Britons - Wikipedia
With the beginning of Anglo-Saxon settlement and Gaelic Scots in the 5th century, the culture and language of the Britons fragmented and much of their territory was taken over by the Anglo-Saxons (Inglish) and Scots Gaels.
As much as the English would love to be Britons they are no more Britons than their fellow immigrants from Poland/Pakistan or other parts of the world
Or, and I hate to take issue with a fellow anti-Brexiteer, Whisperingsmith, the Celts, and all the other human beings in the British Isles. You’re are pleased to pursue your delve into the extreme past to deny the English the right to England but you must remember, that if you go back far enough, everybody came from somewhere else originally, including your Celtic forbears. 
There is some government nonentity on TV this morning saying if the may deal is voted down in parliament:
“in that case we need to go back to the british public and say: You got it wrong last time, you need to vote again.”
At last these scum are showing their true colours. In other words this thing wants GB to become the Sooty and Sweep Show, run from Brussels.
Juddian:
It aint over yet lads.
One thing you can be sure of the tories do not want to lose their seats or see the tory party destroyed.They may have little idea of patriotism and have long since lost belief in democracy, but falling on their swords isn’t in their culture and failing to destroy chairman May’s surrender to the fourth reich is effectively their political suicide note.
I think May and her uncivil service cohorts betrayal plan will be voted down in the commons, there will be no renegotiation or another deal, and we will leave under WTO terms in March which is exactly what the vast majority of us voted for, and i truly believe the backbone of the country at large (ie not those in the westmonster and islington champagne socialist bubbles) also want this, if anything more people (including previous remainers who can see a turd rolled in glitter) are now on board, the EU are doing us a great service by threatening us…you’d think a quick look at not so long ago history would have told them nothing comes good of threatening the real Britons.
Most political personal are in it for there financial gain and not much else, the mote sincere ones have stepped down in protest who as you say can see a turd rolled in glitter love that saying and as you say they aint about to commit financial harri carri ’
This country is now totally different from 60 years ago and is now multi cultural and its a bit late to change that now. What I cant get my head round is why are us Brexiteers are not out in the street protesting about how the process by the government is trying to destroy a democratic vote to leave the EU. Last week in France the public were out in force blocking roads and that was just because of the rise in cost of petrol, imagine what it will be like when Macron cant get access to our fishing waters subject to us walking away with a no deal scenario, just another ten days of crap and then we will know which way this is going to go, Buzzer
Buzzer:
What I cant get my head round is why are us Brexiteers are not out in the street protesting about how the process by the government is trying to destroy a democratic vote to leave the EU.
There never was a ‘democratic vote to leave’ just as it wouldn’t ( shouldn’t ) have been a democratic vote to remain because it was a fake non binding referendum.Which isn’t surprising having been drawn up by Hammond.Although we can bet that isn’t how the remainers would have seen it if they had won.
As for going out on the street protesting do you really think that the Europhile Federalists who have hijacked the process would change their minds.As opposed to using all the tools at their disposal to create false flag violence and blame it on the supposed far right extremism which these nutters view as anyone wanting to Leave their Federal zb pile.
On that note there was no need for street protests in the lead up to the secession of Slovenia from the Yugoslav Federation for example or for that matter Ireland’s fight for its independence from UK.It was all done by leaders committed to their cause and the equally committed backing of their Nationalist followers.The difference being that when push inevitably came to shove their respective National militias were onside.While it’s clear that in this case the Queen and her forces are on the side of the EU not us.It would be suicide to take to the streets in that environment even if such pointless marches ever delivered secession in history.
On that note we’ve got a Brexit protest in London on December the 9th.While even if I didn’t have commitments stopping me going,staying at home around 15 miles away would just about be far enough for me.However if the forces decided to march through the towns of every town in the realm,in a show of force with the Queen’s blessing,against obvious EU hostile intent and takeover of the country,that would obviously be a game changer and somehow I’d find sufficient time to support them.As it stands and without that this country is on its way out and deservedly so.
This is how you do secession and what it usually comes down to at least until like Ireland they threw it all away by joining the stinking EU.Compare that with May’s treasonous actions and Britain split down the middle between those who see themselves as EU citizens not Brits and whatever is left of its patriots.Brit patriotism obviously not worth a can of beans without equally committed Nationalist forces onside which we obviously ain’t got.More like happier to wear the EU insignia on their uniforms.
> Spardo:
> Or, and I hate to take issue with a fellow anti-Brexiteer, Whisperingsmith, the Celts, and all the other human beings in the British Isles. You’re are pleased to pursue your delve into the extreme past to deny the English the right to England but you must remember, that if you go back far enough, everybody came from somewhere else originally, including your Celtic forbears.
Mainly a point of order but the issue is the use of the word Britons which is specific to the Britons including populations on the Atlantic coast from Brittany / Portugal & Spain
if Juddian had used British then fine as that loosely applies to all residents of the Islands
whisperingsmith:
> Spardo:
> Or, and I hate to take issue with a fellow anti-Brexiteer, Whisperingsmith, the Celts, and all the other human beings in the British Isles. You’re are pleased to pursue your delve into the extreme past to deny the English the right to England but you must remember, that if you go back far enough, everybody came from somewhere else originally, including your Celtic forbears.Mainly a point of order but the issue is the use of the word Britons which is specific to the Britons including populations on the Atlantic coast from Brittany / Portugal & Spain
if Juddian had used British then fine as that loosely applies to all residents of the Islands
To be fair Juddian obviously meant those with an allegiance to the British Isles not the EU Federation.However they came to be here.
Which leaves my own example.As far as I know I’m part Celt which probably explains my ginger eyebrows.While for all I know I could be part Roman.But what I do know is that I regard myself as English and part Irish and my allegiance is first and foremost to England and the legacy which Harold and his Anglo Saxon forebears created here.While by definition also recognising and celebrating the right of self determination of the other nations of the British Isles as part of that.Not the 1000 year Franco Norman Reich which the so called conqueror and the Plantagenet rabble which followed him foisted onto the country.There is a parallel there in that the Continent seems to be a breeding ground for power crazed Federalist megalomaniacs time and time again on a revolving basis.I don’t include the Anglo Saxons in that.History proving them to be on the whole a force for good who brought/bring relative constructive civilisation everywhere they went/go around the world from the America’s to Australia ( with a bit of help from their Celtic Irish and Scottish neighbours ).
> Carryfast:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuMgzKdzNuI
You can’t possibly take him seriously can you ■■ Judging by Brexit supporters on here you do - if they are all as clever (Thick) as him we have no hope
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuMgzKdzNuIYou can’t possibly take him seriously can you ■■ Judging by Brexit supporters on here you do - if they are all as clever (Thick) as him we have no hope
So tell us which part has he got wrong.While it’s the comments below which are far more ‘interesting’ than what he says in that regard anyway.
While it’s obvious that your idea of ‘clever’ is Federalist scum like Juncker and Tusk and their puppets May and Blair and all the other traitors in the vichy style puppet regime here and expecting the Leave vote to trust the EU 4th Reich by allowing it to take over the country.Which is equally obviously your idea of ‘hope’.It’s clear that the divisions in this are already at the same point as numerous other similar Federalist v Nationalist arguments throughout history and it was never going to be settled by any ballot box and the resulting rigged process which the Europhile Federalists,in the form of Cameron and Hammond,all too predictably tried to get away with.Who’s calling who thick now.
Although having said that yes falling into the Remainer trap of a pointless Leave protest march, which the remainers and their establishment backed EU Federalist thugs will then turn into a false flag riot,definitely would fit the description of ‘thick’.