What a traitor she should go and PDQ
Franglais:
So we get to save £270m a week in contributions.
Care to look at how our economy has performed whilst we`ve been members of the EU?inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit
“since 1973, the year in which the UK joined the EU. Per capita GDP of the UK economy grew by 103%, exceeding the 97% growth of the US. Within the EU, the UK edged out Germany (99%) and clobbered France (74%).”Isn’t £270m a small price to out perform the US and many other western economies? So many leavers shout about “talking down” the potential of the UK, but they are the ones talking down our successes.
Quote Franglais from another thread:
“Are Governments really bad at running everything?
Is the UK energy market so much better now it’s been privatised?
Is water so much more efficient now?
Was British Rail so much worse than what we have now? Years of underfunding preceded it’s demise remember. And we all know “you only get what you pay for.” How can we currently subsidise rail travel with taxpayer’s money and allow dividends be paid to investors?
In any big organisation it’s easy to find instances of inefficiencies and highlight them. That doesn’t mean the whole system is bad.
Cutting out superfluous admin is clearly a good thing, but lack of supervision leads to waste of time and resources, so it’s a difficult balancing act. Cheaper in the short term isn’t always cheaper in the long term and managers are needed to see this.
Private management certainly doesn’t always equal efficiency or probity.
Politicians interfering in State run business for short term political aims, is a problem, but that doesn’t mean private is always better.”
One of the reasons so many leavers object to the EU is its interference in our domestic matters. We have this disgraceful subsidy to foreign government owned corporations because of the EU and its insistence upon observing its diktats. You appear to agree with this!
And who owns the Utility companies?
The latest RMT News illustrates the timeline. Note the bit about member states being outvoted :
HRS:
HRS:
Post deleted.You have the final say ERF-NCG European, just a shame to see you bow down in fear of a word. Harvey
It wasn’t the word, Harvey. I’ve sent you a PM 
. Robert
Franglais:
So we get to save £270m a week in contributions.
Care to look at how our economy has performed whilst we`ve been members of the EU?inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit
“since 1973, the year in which the UK joined the EU. Per capita GDP of the UK economy grew by 103%, exceeding the 97% growth of the US. Within the EU, the UK edged out Germany (99%) and clobbered France (74%).”Isn’t £270m a small price to out perform the US and many other western economies? So many leavers shout about “talking down” the potential of the UK, but they are the ones talking down our successes.
Oh wait.How does the value of sterling fall from 4 swiss francs and 2.6 USD to the pound in 1972 to 1.2 USD and 1.2 CHF now given your figures.
Also how does a supposed 100 % growth in per capita GDP since 1973 reflect this line bearing in mind the population in 1972 was 56 million.
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Also where do we find the cash to pay for the black hole in our accounts caused by the 67 billion trade deficit with the EU when added to the net contribution.Also bearing in mind that deficit is caused by the loss of manufacturing sector jobs outweighing any gains in white collar jobs.With free movement adding to the labour supply for what blue collar jobs remain.All of which is good for the Brit blue collar working class how ?.
In addition to which your laughable supposed UK tiger economy seems inconsistent with the need for an IMF bail out followed by the 1980’s crash and nothing but austerity heaped upon austerity since to date to pay for the resulting debt.The idea that the EU is good for us economically is as much a lie as the idea that it’s good for workers rights when we effectively had the right to strike and freedom of association withdrawn under the Thatcher administration of the 1980’s and it’s never been returned since.
Buzzer:
What a traitor she should go and PDQ
She’s just a puppet and a patsy.
Did the Queen see this before granting Royal Assent to the European Communities Act ?.If not then on what legal basis are we an EU member state and if so then who is the real traitor ?.Assuming the latter what do you think HM will/can say/do when asked to sign the Royal Assent quashing the European Communities Act on grounds of sovereignty without that by implication being an admission of dereliction of duty ?.
cav551:
Franglais:
So we get to save £270m a week in contributions.
Care to look at how our economy has performed whilst we`ve been members of the EU?inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit
“since 1973, the year in which the UK joined the EU. Per capita GDP of the UK economy grew by 103%, exceeding the 97% growth of the US. Within the EU, the UK edged out Germany (99%) and clobbered France (74%).”Isn’t £270m a small price to out perform the US and many other western economies? So many leavers shout about “talking down” the potential of the UK, but they are the ones talking down our successes.
Quote Franglais from another thread:
“Are Governments really bad at running everything?
Is the UK energy market so much better now it’s been privatised?
Is water so much more efficient now?
Was British Rail so much worse than what we have now? Years of underfunding preceded it’s demise remember. And we all know “you only get what you pay for.” How can we currently subsidise rail travel with taxpayer’s money and allow dividends be paid to investors?
In any big organisation it’s easy to find instances of inefficiencies and highlight them. That doesn’t mean the whole system is bad.
Cutting out superfluous admin is clearly a good thing, but lack of supervision leads to waste of time and resources, so it’s a difficult balancing act. Cheaper in the short term isn’t always cheaper in the long term and managers are needed to see this.
Private management certainly doesn’t always equal efficiency or probity.
Politicians interfering in State run business for short term political aims, is a problem, but that doesn’t mean private is always better.”One of the reasons so many leavers object to the EU is its interference in our domestic matters. We have this disgraceful subsidy to foreign government owned corporations because of the EU and its insistence upon observing its diktats. You appear to agree with this!
And who owns the Utility companies?
The latest RMT News illustrates the timeline. Note the bit about member states being outvoted :
Sorry but on my small screen I can’t read that. I’ve had a quick look and can’t find that article on line either (unless it’s locked up in facebook)?
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Jeremy Hunt on Andrew Marr’s show said " You get so much more from BOB’s now, not Roberts but those Bored Of Brexit". How right he is. I’m in that camp. I voted remain ( although I live in Spain) but I will stand by the referendum result, no fudging! Get On With It!
Buzzer: I have many options. Er Indoors is a Spanish resident, I’m not. I can cling onto her apron strings. My mum was irish, i can claim an Eire passport. I can dodge back and forth, no one counts you in or out once you are within Schengen. The Guardia Civil will not be touring neighbourhoods in their vans looking for “overstayers”. So long as i don’t try to claim any benefits (fat chance in Spain) they will leave you alone. If ALL that fails, I’ll come back to work full time, I’ve been given the nod, got the T-Shirt etc!
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Article is a direct scan from the magazine but it should open full screen if clicked on twice.
whisperingsmith:
> coomsey:
> It strikes me remainers voted on the status quo,leavers on politicians promises. Whoops a daisy !Hence rightly or wrongly the obvious questions about leavers IQ or in the case of CF & Friends: Imperial longings
I moved from reluctant remained to reluctant leaver, amongst my reasons for change were conversations with my IFA, a man with two masters degrees in finance and a Cambridge economics grad that works in the City. I don’t think either of them are lacking in the IQ dept (nor am I FWIW).
gazzer:
Jeremy Hunt on Andrew Marr’s show said " You get so much more from BOB’s now, not Roberts but those Bored Of Brexit". How right he is. I’m in that camp. I voted remain ( although I live in Spain) but I will stand by the referendum result, no fudging! Get On With It!
Buzzer: I have many options. Er Indoors is a Spanish resident, I’m not. I can cling onto her apron strings. My mum was irish, i can claim an Eire passport. I can dodge back and forth, no one counts you in or out once you are within Schengen. The Guardia Civil will not be touring neighbourhoods in their vans looking for “overstayers”. So long as i don’t try to claim any benefits (fat chance in Spain) they will leave you alone. If ALL that fails, I’ll come back to work full time, I’ve been given the nod, got the T-Shirt etc!
Sorry but if you live in Spain or any other country you should not have had a vote yes this will effect you as well as many other people but you don’t live here & don’t have to put up with any of this ( if this comes across as being nasty I don’t mean it that way knew plenty of English who moved out to Spain in the 80’s my pedants even had a place over there although spent a lot of time in England my cousin has a house in Spain goes between the 2 although a lot of time here so yep she had a vote but I would agree also that they don’t have a vote in Spain as they don’t live there or have residential there but if you live in Spain you should have a vote there just my take sorry & yep I did vote to remain but have to accept the fact we will leave & respect that decision )
cav551:
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Comes up all pixilated…
But I can make out some of it, I think.
So the RMT are saying the UK has privatised it’s rail because of the EU?
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought the DB was owned by the German Fed Gov? Italian Gov owns the FS, Spanish Gov owns it’s rail and French gov has a 51% share in it’s rail?
Or have I got that wrong?
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Franglais:
So the RMT are saying the UK has privatised it’s rail because of the EU?
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought the DB was owned by the German Fed Gov? Italian Gov owns the FS, Spanish Gov owns it’s rail and French gov has a 51% share in it’s rail?Or have I got that wrong?
State Aid rules.Exemptions are applied ‘equally’ across the EU.Yeah right.
Literally probably no, but effectively yes. The EU stipulation that rail services on a track network must be opened up to competition has resulted in privatisation. The operators are private companies, however the shareholders are predominantly European state owned operating organisations. The result being that profits from these UK operations go to subsidise rail travel in other european countires. Much of that profit coming not from the actual operation of the system but from taxpayer subsidies. What is plainly wrong is that these UK companies are trying to renegotiate contracts, or to walk away from them without honouring their obligations, not because thay are necessarily making a loss (boo hoo) but because they cannot make the level of profit they expected.
Like so many of these EU directives the UK has always asked how high it should jump, whereas the european nations who disagree just stick two fingers up.
Well my fingers are stuck up to the EU and I just cannot wait to follow with my boot. ■■■■ off to the lot of them.
cav551:
Well my fingers are stuck up to the EU and I just cannot wait to follow with my boot. [zb] off to the lot of them.
Unfortunately May’s Remain + deal means the status quo continues except now we won’t even have anyone in the EU parliament to argue with them.
cav551:
Literally probably no, but effectively yes. The EU stipulation that rail services on a track network must be opened up to competition has resulted in privatisation. The operators are private companies, however the shareholders are predominantly European state owned operating organisations. The result being that profits from these UK operations go to subsidise rail travel in other european countires. Much of that profit coming not from the actual operation of the system but from taxpayer subsidies. What is plainly wrong is that these UK companies are trying to renegotiate contracts, or to walk away from them without honouring their obligations, not because thay are necessarily making a loss (boo hoo) but because they cannot make the level of profit they expected.Like so many of these EU directives the UK has always asked how high it should jump, whereas the european nations who disagree just stick two fingers up.
Well my fingers are stuck up to the EU and I just cannot wait to follow with my boot. [zb] off to the lot of them.
Isn’t it really the UK Gov responsible for setting up bad contracts and trying to lay the blame off elsewhere? I agree with you that UK rail privatisation is a joke, but can’t see all the blame lies with Brussels.
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Can anybody answer this question as I am not sure how it works, if we leave the EU deal or not will all the gravy train EU politicians from Britain lose there positions and lucrative wages overnight or will they still continue to be paid or get a severance deal of some sort, does anybody know ? just wondering Buzzer.
gazzer:
Not a £350mil REFUND franglais, just an amount we will no longer have to pay.I’m tiring of the fight now, losing the will to live, I don’t give a sh*t, just get on with it and live with the consequences.
If we’re in, good for us all in Europe. If we’re out, we’ll deal with it. Simples.
That’s partly what they’ve been doing, wearing everyone down so we just give up.
Juddian:
gazzer:
Not a £350mil REFUND franglais, just an amount we will no longer have to pay.I’m tiring of the fight now, losing the will to live, I don’t give a sh*t, just get on with it and live with the consequences.
If we’re in, good for us all in Europe. If we’re out, we’ll deal with it. Simples.
That’s partly what they’ve been doing, wearing everyone down so we just give up.
What did you all expect?
Breeze into a room, tell the EU how it’s gonna be, and go down the pub in time for lunch?
I really expected a more realistic attitude from you two gentlemen at least. I can see some might have been listening to the siren song of how easy and painless it was gonna be, but if you believed the EU were a bunch of time wasting bureaucrats why did you expect ‘leave’ would be smooth and quick?
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Franglais:
Juddian:
That’s partly what they’ve been doing, wearing everyone down so we just give up.What did you all expect?
Breeze into a room, tell the EU how it’s gonna be, and go down the pub in time for lunch?
That’s exactly what we would have expected.We are leaving we’ve repealed the European Communities Act with immediate effect and as such we are no longer bound by any EU treaties and we only need to adhere to those EU laws which we choose to.Bearing in mind that any state may withdraw according to its own requirements which includes ignoring article 50.Goodbye and if you really want to start a trade war over it you can have one.In fact we would welcome and prefer it bearing in mind that trade with you shysters is nothing but a massive deficit liability to us.
Which leaves the question on what grounds are we going to ask the Head of State to grant Royal Assent to the European Communities Repeal Act.Return of Sovereignty which was compromised by the Act,as stated within the Leave manifesto.To which her answer is obviously no way because if I do that that drops me in the zb for granting Royal Assent to an act of treason it in the first place.The obvious answer to that being let’s maintain the status quo regarding the loss of sovereignty to the EU and call that Brexit.Bonus points if you can put those UKIP nuisances out of the frame as part of the stitch up.
animal:
Sorry but if you live in Spain or any other country you should not have had a vote yes this will effect you as well as many other people but you don’t live here & don’t have to put up with any of this
Surprised at you, so you think that British citzens paying British taxes should not have a say in the way those taxes are administered? Simply because of where they happen to live?
And here’s me thinking you were a democrat.