Perhaps the poor bloke reading the articled should have rehearsed a little more… I really could not listen to the end.
Truly, he may not be a polished performer, but he is talking sense.
Compare with the public speaking skills of such as Johnson in above post?
It’s obvious that remainers ( Federalists ) will only ever view anything which keeps us tied to the EU as ‘sense’.In addition to numerous false flag references to their controlled opposition like Mogg and BoJo among the Federalist Cons.While if you must refer to the real opposition to the cross Party remain alliance then it’s Batten who speaks for the Leave side not BoJo.
malmic:
I’m sure Jacob Rees yearns for the days when everyone dodged their cap to the local squire.
Providing he was the squire of course
Why the big thing about Tory Mogg as opposed to Batten or Kate Hoey ?.Don’t see anything anti working class about Batten’s or Hoey’s position.Just as in the case of Heffer standing for the Labour Party before.So where is the rule that we only have the choice of Mogg on the Leave side.While it’s people like Blair and Cameron among all the other EU elites who are closer to the local squire analogy.
gazzer:
Not a £350mil REFUND franglais, just an amount we will no longer have to pay.
I’m tiring of the fight now, losing the will to live, I don’t give a sh*t, just get on with it and live with the consequences.
If we’re in, good for us all in Europe. If we’re out, we’ll deal with it. Simples.
Gazzer I think a lot in the country have the same view now, just get on with it, every day news and its getting boring and the sad thing is half these political people are just looking to there future financial gain and don’t give a stuff about our being, best drop the Great bit of the front of Great Britain as I have a feeling that bit of it has already gone.
On another point if we come out will you be able to stay in Spain or will you have to return here on a permanent basis, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
best drop the Great bit of the front of Great Britain as I have a feeling that bit of it has already gone.
On another point if we come out will you be able to stay in Spain or will you have to return here on a permanent basis, Buzzer.
It’s only the EU that wants to create a non issue regarding guarantees for those already established before we leave.Let alone before the date of the referendum which is what it should be.All as part of a Trojan Horse to maintain free movement which May obviously intends to hand them on a plate.Under May’s Brino ‘deal’ at best it’s not difficult to foresee a rush before any so called ‘transition period’ ends ‘if’ it ever ends.While having given the ECJ carte blanche to have the final say on such matters it’s obviously going to be a case of business as usual dressed up as so called Brexit in that regard.Again the remainers obviously protest too much to make their pathetic act,of May supposedly not being on their side and not delivering for them,believable.
malmic:
I’m sure Jacob Rees yearns for the days when everyone dodged their cap to the local squire.
Providing he was the squire of course
Why the big thing about Tory Mogg as opposed to Batten or Kate Hoey ?.Don’t see anything anti working class about Batten’s or Hoey’s position.Just as in the case of Heffer standing for the Labour Party before.So where is the rule that we only have the choice of Mogg on the Leave side.While it’s people like Blair and Cameron among all the other EU elites who are closer to the local squire analogy.
I’m well aware that choosing between remain and leave cuts across political and class boundaries
malmic:
I’m sure Jacob Rees yearns for the days when everyone dodged their cap to the local squire.
Providing he was the squire of course
Why the big thing about Tory Mogg as opposed to Batten or Kate Hoey ?.Don’t see anything anti working class about Batten’s or Hoey’s position.Just as in the case of Heffer standing for the Labour Party before.
I’m well aware that choosing between remain and leave cuts across political and class boundaries
Great so the question stands why do remainers keep droning on with the repeated references to Mogg on the Leave side while conveniently ignoring all the unelected elites on their side including the EU commission and people like Juncker and Barnier with working class hero Blair still being wheeled out on numerous occasions to add his bit for the EU cause.Probably because,unlike Batten and Hoey,they know that Mogg,like Bojo and Gove etc,is just part of their own controlled opposition. Bearing in mind that Powell proved long ago that Tory Party membership and genuine opposition to EU membership are mutually exclusive.
coomsey:
It strikes me remainers voted on the status quo,leavers on politicians promises. Whoops a daisy !
No as in 1975 Leavers had no choice other than to vote based on naively accepting the word of Federalist/Remainer politicians,who were/are in control of the place,like Heath,Thatcher,Callaghan,Cameron and May.Who obviously delivered for their own equally treacherous faction all wanting to sell out their country because they don’t view it as their country they view the EU as their country.As opposed to the integrity of patriots like Powell,Benn,Heffer,Shore,Batten and Hoey.
In this case Farage having been shown to be part of the establishment agenda in failing to question the nature of the referendum act ( non binding opinion poll ) and failing to establish the definition of what Cameron meant by ‘Leave’.As I’ve said unsurprising that the establishment would want to employ every dirty trick in the book owing to the obvious implications of the Head of State having granted Royal Assent to the European Communities Act and then granting Royal Assent to abolishing it because of the unacceptable delegation of National sovereignty to a foreign power contained within it.
Do we really want to go back to the good old days of strikes 3 day week no electric after 20.00 IRA bombings etc that some of the leavers keep going on about ■■
No we won’t be paying into it nor will we get anything from it like the building trade got a good kick start from the EU not that many years ago ( a lot received EU funding to refurbish some of the council/social houses that weren’t up to scratch ) but not just the building trade electricians plumbers gas engineers transport etc also got a boost
I would rather have a trade deal with the EU than not
I take it all the leavers will not leave this country to go on holiday so they can help the economy keep there money within the UK only by British
If the people that did leave this country to live in another came back imagine the strain it would have on the NHS ( that is slowly being sold off )
The EU has many faults yes we know this but sometimes better the devil you know than the devil you don’t
There is a lot to consider as we cant go for a hard Brexit Irish border unless you want to go set up border control on all passing places over 200 btw we cant have a border in the Irish Sea then there is the point of Gibraltar
Also you have to take into some consideration of the 48% that voted to remain just as every PM has to take the consideration of the people that didn’t vote for them but we voted to leave so we leave ( yes I voted to remain know some who voted to leave have some respect for each others decision as this was my choice )
Just my take on some of it as I normally stay out of political debate think it causes to many arguments that aren’t worth it
animal:
Do we really want to go back to the good old days of strikes 3 day week no electric after 20.00 IRA bombings etc that some of the leavers keep going on about ■■
The contradiction in the unions saying that the EU is good for the workers rights while the CBI says that it’s good for anti union legislation is laughable.
So exactly how many IRA bombings and 3 day weeks was that before 1973 ?.As opposed to the industrial and economic chaos of the mid-late 1970’s caused by Europhile Callaghan’s economic policies of Brit jobs and decent wages for German workers while the Brits suffered mass unemployment and government imposed wage cuts in real terms.Leading to economic meltdown of a country floating on a sea of its own oil having to go begging to the IMF for a bail out.
Also don’t remember the Brit forces going home in 1973 or being there before 1969.
whisperingsmith: > coomsey: > It strikes me remainers voted on the status quo,leavers on politicians promises. Whoops a daisy !
Hence rightly or wrongly the obvious questions about leavers IQ or in the case of CF & Friends: Imperial longings
Only the IQ of a Federalist remainer could think that setting up yet another version of Napoleon’s Continental System or the Austro Hungarian Empire or Soviet Union or 3rd Reich or Yugoslav Federation is a good idea.Nothing imperial about wanting to keep our own country as opposed to the EU megalomaniacs wanting to expand the EU to Crimea.
All the EU have ever wanted is a continuation of the UK NET yearly contributions as we have always been net contributors so this fallacy that is trotted out about the EU funding we have received over the years is just that a “fallacy” as all we were getting was SOME of our own brass back ! It reminds me of the long defunct RTITB con where Hauliers had to pay in but could never get 'owt back ! I am seeing the Irish are kicking up now as they are becoming net contributors after years and years of being on the receiving end of EU “Largesse”. As I say all the EU lot wanted was the Billions of contributions from the UK to continue but with the UK being continually over ruled by the likes of Germany and the Frogs indefinitely ! What a turn around after what transpired during WW11 ! Our Politicians, past and present, should hang their heads in shame ! and as for Mother Teresa on the face of it she has deviously negotiated the UK into a position which was, now, quite clearly her aim from the start ! As far as I’m concerned she ranks with both Wilson and Heath who were the start of our problems. Don’t be surprised if in the future there is an attempt to reverse the whole stinking process and try to convince us that we are better off back inside the EU ■■■■ heap ! However I believe Teresa will or should get her “comeuppance” when her duplicitous “deal” is voted down in Parliament in a couple of weeks then she will have to , hopefully, resign ! Cheers Bewick.
So we get to save £270m a week in contributions.
Care to look at how our economy has performed whilst we`ve been members of the EU?
inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit
“since 1973, the year in which the UK joined the EU. Per capita GDP of the UK economy grew by 103%, exceeding the 97% growth of the US. Within the EU, the UK edged out Germany (99%) and clobbered France (74%).”
Isn’t £270m a small price to out perform the US and many other western economies? So many leavers shout about “talking down” the potential of the UK, but they are the ones talking down our successes.
Bewick:
All the EU have ever wanted is a continuation of the UK NET yearly contributions as we have always been net contributors so this fallacy that is trotted out about the EU funding we have received over the years is just that a “fallacy” as all we were getting was SOME of our own brass back ! It reminds me of the long defunct RTITB con where Hauliers had to pay in but could never get 'owt back ! I am seeing the Irish are kicking up now as they are becoming net contributors after years and years of being on the receiving end of EU “Largesse”. As I say all the EU lot wanted was the Billions of contributions from the UK to continue but with the UK being continually over ruled by the likes of Germany and the Frogs indefinitely ! What a turn around after what transpired during WW11 ! Our Politicians, past and present, should hang their heads in shame ! and as for Mother Teresa on the face of it she has deviously negotiated the UK into a position which was, now, quite clearly her aim from the start ! As far as I’m concerned she ranks with both Wilson and Heath who were the start of our problems. Don’t be surprised if in the future there is an attempt to reverse the whole stinking process and try to convince us that we are better off back inside the EU [zb] heap ! However I believe Teresa will or should get her “comeuppance” when her duplicitous “deal” is voted down in Parliament in a couple of weeks then she will have to , hopefully, resign ! Cheers Bewick.
Churchill and McMillan were no less Federalist European zealots than Heath and Wilson.In Churchill’s case at least based on the idea that the best way of defending Europe from despotic megalomaniac’s was to replace the 3rd Reich with a 4th. While it was Callaghan and Jenkins who were the biggest players by '75 on the Labour side with a lot more decent genuine leave MP’s there than the Cons ever had especially after Powell had been exiled by them.Not surprising being an ideologically Federalist rabble allied with the few Soviet thinking LabLibs who somehow hijacked the Labour agenda.
As for convincing us of anything.This deal is keeping ‘us inside the EU zb heap’,including maintaining the supremacy of the ECJ’s ruling over the UK parliament,but with the win win for the remainers that they also get rid of UKIP’s MEP’s and it contains a hidden no secession clause.IE Remain +.
While you’ve missed the bit about the Queen’s dodgy role in all this.Liz having the remit and powers to have stopped it all in its tracks at the Royal Assent stage of passing the European Communities Act.Bearing in mind that it was clearly an issue of defence of the realm’s sovereignty against being delegated to a foreign power by a rogue statesman in the form of Heath.That’s the real reason why there’s no way that the establishment will allow us to ditch the EU on any grounds of Sovereignty.Because if we do that puts the question/blame on her not Heath,with the issue of sovereignty of the realm ultimately being her remit and her responsibility not Heath’s and thereby why did she sign us up to it.
animal:
Who would you put in her place Boris don’t want it Rees-Moggg / Corbyn same coin just different sides
Cant see anyone wanting the job
What’s wrong with voting UKIP thereby putting Batten in the job.Assuming that Mogg and BoJo aren’t part of the Con Party controlled opposition.The proof of that question being that Batten has stated his aim of quashing the European Communities Act with immediate effect which would be interesting at the Royal Assent Stage.Then we’d see where this whole plot originates from and that would never do for the corrupt establishment and its deluded brainwashed Federalist supporters in the remain camp.
