As I stated earlier,we will need the permission of the rest of the member states to leave, Camoron knows this and this is why he isn,t demanding anything from the e.u. really.This country is in a hole and will find it difficult to get out,just watch how quiet call me Dave goes in the next few weeks when he gets the rules read to him.The big problem being,is that the politicians and more so the general public never read the agreements that were signed up to let alone understood them. Big Problems coming. 
A lot of the problems is being fed how good the EU is by the media
Many people don’t see the negative side of being in this one size don’t fit
The EU is costing me and nearly a thousand of my colleagues our jobs in May 2016 when our factory ceases production after a 127 years or manufacturing in Nottingham
All this is down to unelected politicians who think they know best and as for our parish council called “The Mother of all Parliaments” all they are is a puppet government just doing what EU tells us to do
shirtbox2003:
As I stated earlier,we will need the permission of the rest of the member states to leave, Camoron knows this and this is why he isn,t demanding anything from the e.u. really.This country is in a hole and will find it difficult to get out,just watch how quiet call me Dave goes in the next few weeks when he gets the rules read to him.The big problem being,is that the politicians and more so the general public never read the agreements that were signed up to let alone understood them. Big Problems coming.
I don’t think we’re in a US or Yugoslav War of secession type situation situation ( yet ).There are no conditions in any of the treaties which would stop any EU member leaving although that will obviously be an increasing issue.However ‘if’ you were right ( doubtful ) then it would obviously be time to at least round up all/any of the surviving signatories to the EU treaties,then convict them of treason,and then put the forces on notice of defending any physical attempts by the EU to stop us leaving.While even the potential issue of that situation arising at some point in the future ( as all Federations usually end up descending into at some point ) is reason enough for the issue of an EU Brexit to be seen as one of the national interest and sovereignty and therefore not subject to referendum at all.
That slimy ■■■■■■■ “Call me Dave” has started backpeddling already as he appears to be showing his real hand with regard to holding an honest IN/OUT vote,he is determined to keep the UK in the EU at all costs so from the “get go” he has weakened his hand so he’s going to get ■■■■ all from Angela/Holland & Co but he is going to dress the result up as a great win.I sincerely hope our electorate will see right through the devious ■■■■ and vote NO to come out ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
That slimy [zb] “Call me Dave” has started backpeddling already as he appears to be showing his real hand with regard to holding an honest IN/OUT vote,he is determined to keep the UK in the EU at all costs so from the “get go” he has weakened his hand so he’s going to get [zb] all from Angela/Holland & Co but he is going to dress the result up as a great win.I sincerely hope our electorate will see right through the devious [zb] and vote NO to come out ! Cheers Bewick.
Blimey Bewick it really doesn’t take a genius to realise that he is just a grovelling Federalist who’ll do whatever it takes to stay in.As I’ve said elsewhere be prepared for the possibility of total surrender in the form of withdrawing the referendum ‘promise’ with support of the SNP.Together with hopefully mass defections to UKIP in the Con ranks with a resulting by election to sort it out for once and for all.Hopefully Davis will have the sense to have another go for the Con leadership and make an alliance with Farage around that point and then we’ll be where we ( should/would ) have been the day after the GE if they’d have had the sense to kick the snivelling zb out over a year ago. 
Carryfast:
Bewick:
That slimy [zb] “Call me Dave” has started backpeddling already as he appears to be showing his real hand with regard to holding an honest IN/OUT vote,he is determined to keep the UK in the EU at all costs so from the “get go” he has weakened his hand so he’s going to get [zb] all from Angela/Holland & Co but he is going to dress the result up as a great win.I sincerely hope our electorate will see right through the devious [zb] and vote NO to come out ! Cheers Bewick.Blimey Bewick it really doesn’t take a genius to realise that he is just a grovelling Federalist who’ll do whatever it takes to stay in.As I’ve said elsewhere be prepared for the possibility of total surrender in the form of withdrawing the referendum ‘promise’ with support of the SNP.Together with hopefully mass defections to UKIP in the Con ranks with a resulting by election to sort it out for once and for all.Hopefully Davis will have the sense to have another go for the Con leadership and make an alliance with Farage around that point and then we’ll be where we ( should/would ) have been the day after the GE if they’d have had the sense to kick the snivelling zb out over a year ago.
Well as per usual “CF” you and your BS manage to cloud the simplest of issues, to put it bluntly are for out or for staying in “simples”,but nothing is obviously that simple in your fertile mind eh! Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
That slimy [zb] “Call me Dave” has started backpeddling already as he appears to be showing his real hand with regard to holding an honest IN/OUT vote,he is determined to keep the UK in the EU at all costs so from the “get go” he has weakened his hand so he’s going to get [zb] all from Angela/Holland & Co but he is going to dress the result up as a great win.I sincerely hope our electorate will see right through the devious [zb] and vote NO to come out ! Cheers Bewick.Blimey Bewick it really doesn’t take a genius to realise that he is just a grovelling Federalist who’ll do whatever it takes to stay in.As I’ve said elsewhere be prepared for the possibility of total surrender in the form of withdrawing the referendum ‘promise’ with support of the SNP.Together with hopefully mass defections to UKIP in the Con ranks with a resulting by election to sort it out for once and for all.Hopefully Davis will have the sense to have another go for the Con leadership and make an alliance with Farage around that point and then we’ll be where we ( should/would ) have been the day after the GE if they’d have had the sense to kick the snivelling zb out over a year ago.
Well as per usual “CF” you and your BS manage to cloud the simplest of issues, to put it bluntly are for out or for staying in “simples”,but nothing is obviously that simple in your fertile mind eh! Bewick.
BS in this case doesn’t get much worse than Con voters putting Cameron in thinking that he isn’t just another Federalist Con leader like all the rest before him.Who’ll do whatever it takes to keep us in the scam.Including using the whip on any of his potentially Euro sceptic MP’s to try to turn the referendum campaign into another propaganda coup/whitewash.That’s assuming that he even honours his promise of a referendum if he thinks the polls look like an out campaign victory.
That really is as simple as it gets.While if it was as ‘simple’ as just in or out why not just forget all about the idea of ‘re negotiation’ and get the decision over with.While bearing in mind all the implications regards sovereignty since day 1 of joining that decision shouldn’t even be subject of referendum anyway.
And for good measure, the fuel duty is supposed to rise in the budget next month. What a surprise. 
I want out, I have done since Margaret Thatcher so no way to the EC becoming the EU and wanted nothing to do with the word Union but once she was gone that was it. Probably won’t starve if we’re out but it’s all cut and dried already so well never know.
Ps if you don’t read this CF it doesn’t matter. I don’t read yours
I shall be voting out, again, never trusted the snake oil salesmen pushing it last time and sure as hell don’t trust their troughing professional political replacements now.
I have no doubt it will be thoroughly biased bought and paid for media propaganda campaign with Al-Beeb the State Broadcaster playing its part to the full, misleading steeped in the politics of fear, with minor tweaks gained by Cameron’s ever less demanding negotiations spun to sound like major changes to be continued, jam tomorrow.
The alleged anti’s in the Tory (Social Democrat) party gradually coming round to appeasement…didn’t we go there once before appeasing Germany …yet again threatening to go against the government but, fearful of their lucrative careers, swiftly back pedalling when their backs are to the wall.
Not a Churchill or Powell in sight, Farage standing almost alone with the worlds mightiest MSM machine aligned against him…note Americas very own trendy lefty president sticking his nose in unbidden to urge us to stay in to suit him.
Whole generations of the current electorate raised with the correct mindset, subservient to the state from the cradle to the grave, the ability to think for themselves weeded out whilst still in short trousers, blindly doing as they’re told like good little drone consumers should.
The result i’m sorry to say will be the turkeys, once again, voting for Christmas…and once again being shocked when Dec 25th arrives.
Only glad i’m not 40 years younger, i wish our children the best of luck in the brave new EUSSR, when they see euro police/paramilitary stormtroopers stalk our ever more overcrowded streets (preventing terrorism, who from, imports or those who object) they’ll know.
Whats that rustling sound? could it be the ghosts of millions of good men and true, dead long before their time sent by other men many of whom, in more recent years especially, are not fit to stand beside them, killed defending this once green and pleasant Jerusalem, turning in their graves.
Juddian:
I shall be voting out, again, never trusted the snake oil salesmen pushing it last time and sure as hell don’t trust their troughing professional political replacements now.I have no doubt it will be thoroughly biased bought and paid for media propaganda campaign with Al-Beeb the State Broadcaster playing its part to the full, misleading steeped in the politics of fear, with minor tweaks gained by Cameron’s ever less demanding negotiations spun to sound like major changes to be continued, jam tomorrow.
The alleged anti’s in the Tory (Social Democrat) party gradually coming round to appeasement…didn’t we go there once before appeasing Germany
Not a Churchill or Powell in sight, Farage standing almost alone with the worlds mightiest MSM machine aligned against him…note Americas very own trendy lefty president sticking his nose in unbidden to urge us to stay in to suit him.Whole generations of the current electorate raised with the correct mindset, subservient to the state from the cradle to the grave, the ability to think for themselves weeded out whilst still in short trousers, blindly doing as they’re told like good little drone consumers should.
The result i’m sorry to say will be the turkeys, once again, voting for Christmas…and once again being shocked when Dec 25th arrives.
Only glad i’m not 40 years younger, i wish our children the best of luck in the brave new EUSSR, when they see euro police/paramilitary stormtroopers stalk our ever more overcrowded streets (preventing terrorism, who from, imports or those who object) they’ll know.
Whats that rustling sound? could it be the ghosts of millions of good men and true, dead long before their time sent by other men many of whom, in more recent years especially, are not fit to stand beside them, killed defending this once green and pleasant Jerusalem, turning in their graves.
Excellent piece IMHO,Cheers Bewick.
Juddian:
Not a Churchill or Powell in sight, Farage standing almost alone with the worlds mightiest MSM machine aligned against him…note Americas very own trendy lefty president sticking his nose in unbidden to urge us to stay in to suit him.
Ironically as Le Pen rightly says Federalism isn’t an issue of so called left or so called right.While it should be no surprise that the idea of a USE fits the American model of government.Ever since the Unionist/Federalist agenda won out there in 1865.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Not a Churchill or Powell in sight, Farage standing almost alone with the worlds mightiest MSM machine aligned against him…note Americas very own trendy lefty president sticking his nose in unbidden to urge us to stay in to suit him.Ironically as Le Pen rightly says Federalism isn’t an issue of so called left or so called right.While it should be no surprise that the idea of a USE fits the American model of government.Ever since the Unionist/Federalist agenda won out there in 1865.
“Cometh the hour,Cometh the man” well maybe,maybe not, if he comes from Leatherhead 
Bewick.
Get us out or we die as a Nation.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Not a Churchill or Powell in sight, Farage standing almost alone with the worlds mightiest MSM machine aligned against him…note Americas very own trendy lefty president sticking his nose in unbidden to urge us to stay in to suit him.Ironically as Le Pen rightly says Federalism isn’t an issue of so called left or so called right.While it should be no surprise that the idea of a USE fits the American model of government.Ever since the Unionist/Federalist agenda won out there in 1865.
“Cometh the hour,Cometh the man” well maybe,maybe not, if he comes from Leatherhead
This is for Obama.
I will be voting out.I want ruling by Britain not Brussels And if the Scots are worried about us leaving and they want to stay in,ask them about their referendum
leylandlover:
I will be voting out.I want ruling by Britain not Brussels
I want out but the SNP are worried because we come out they will not get in on their own which IMHO ■■■■■ them and campaign rite up we will be OK some people dont like change tho peole voted for trade not to be ruled …
Look at the next slimeball country who cant wait to join and send its workers over here to nick all our Polish workers jobs, if you can,t guess then here is the answer, TURKEY. 
karl2878:
peole voted for trade not to be ruled …
They actually voted for the treaty of Rome which was never limited to just ‘trade’.While even the so called ‘trade’ deal within it just amounted to a foreign aid scam to benefit the Germans most of all,as Heath said,in order to ‘keep the peace’ in Europe.As proved by the question ‘if’ it was about ‘trade’ what was it that the Germans and the French had to offer us that we couldn’t provide for ourselves.When the fact is we threw away our natural resources in the form of oil,gas,coal,fishing grounds and our manufacturing industry,to the benefit of ‘Europe’ all for Heath’s and his Federalist cronies’ dream of a USE.
Last time I voted yes. How wrong I was. I did a TV interview where I carefully gave my reasons which I had a recording of but I have lost it and think it was on a Phillips system that was soon out of date.
The yes campaign hired a vehicle off us which covered in stickers toured the North East.
We were conned. The benefits I had expected never happened because of the unfair one way exports from Europe to us, not us to Europe. We did quite a few removals to Europe but the manufacturers we worked for couldn’t compete because Italian companies in particular were being given grants & financial incentives to ensure they could produce much cheaper than UK and when our companies asked for grants they were told it was against EU rules.
I think people are not as naive this time as they were last time, but the more I watch TV I wonder, and at times I think Cameron is more pro Europe that even the crack pot Ted Heath