EU POLL - New as of 20/2/16

Dolph:

Stanley Knife:
Dolph; apart from the money the UK pays in to the EU what other reasons do members of the EU have for wanting us to stay in?

I don’t know actually, I can tell you that most continental EU countries want UK out of EU any way. UK never wanted to be part of the EU as an ultimate United States of Europe plan. Always wanted the best for herself and never cared about EU core idea. Never sign for Schengen, refuse to adopt the Euro, continue with its stupid hypocrisy - twisting EU for better deal and opting out from whatever wanted. The latest wave of hate against Eastern European migrants, who are no more then 1,5 million, but never the less are used for excuse about every British problem. When in fact the main reason all of EE to be in EU is UK Government doings, who pushed against western European countries refusal into accepting us all in.

I think you’ll find that UK government support of East Euro EU expansion was more a result of Thatcher’s and CBI bs ideology in which America said jump because of their domestic and foreign policy and she said how high and the CBI ( rightly ) saw a cheap labour opportunity.While the East Euros obviously saw a better deal,paid for by us,than they were getting from Russia.With at least Farage now questioning that economically suicidal plan with a shift away from free labour markets ideology and the destabilising idea of eastward EU expansion.

Radar19:
Seriously worried about my job. I work for a very large Nordic shipping company. I don’t have the experience yet to suddenly walk into another job, plus I like it where I am.

why you worried about your job? countries will still trade, dont believe all the BS about companies pulling out of the uk if we leave the eu

raymundo:

Dolph:

Stanley Knife:
Dolph; apart from the money the UK pays in to the EU what other reasons do members of the EU have for wanting us to stay in?

I don’t know actually, I can tell you that most continental EU countries want UK out of EU any way. UK never wanted to be part of the EU as an ultimate United States of Europe plan. Always wanted the best for herself and never cared about EU core idea. Never sign for Schengen, refuse to adopt the Euro, continue with its stupid hypocrisy - twisting EU for better deal and opting out from whatever wanted. The latest wave of hate against Eastern European migrants, who are no more then 1,5 million, but never the less are used for excuse about every British problem. When in fact the main reason all of EE to be in EU is UK Government doings, who pushed against western European countries refusal into accepting us all in.

Come on Dolph be fair, you fellas aint doing so bad with all the billions of Euros flooding your way to allow you to join the 21st century …

Nope, we are doing worst then ever, the general public I mean. EU money are stolen by politicians here, in Brussels and from some big western EU companies, no real economy is developed and we are nowhere.

For example the government announced public tender for new biometric ID cards, together with DL’s and passports, its gonna cost 250 million euro, all equipment will be bought from Western Europe. Please mind that we have perfectly ut to date ID documents, no need of change. Can you guess what kind of company will win the tender :grimacing:
Few months back the Agry ministry bought Toyota Lаndcruisers for Forestry department, 100 000 euro each, the tender was won by Agricultural minister former high school class mate… coincidence
The same is valid with motorway construction and all other EU funding.

el_presidente:
Pure economics, the neutral experts indicate we will be 1.2% worse off, GDP, by 2030.

I think I can live with our country being potentially 0.08% worse off per annum, over the next 14. My decision is based purely on our social needs. For me, it’s out. Simply because we need to stand a little more isolated in this topsy turvy world whilst it figures out where the funk it is going.

Assuming that leaving allows us to reduce/reverse the present trade deficit situation with Europe,by replacing Euro imports with domestic made products,where do they get the ‘worse off’ figure from. :confused:

From the point of view of the road transport industry that would obviously allow the situation of applying quotas to international freight journeys giving more of a market share to domestic hauliers.

Dolph:

raymundo:
Come on Dolph be fair, you fellas aint doing so bad with all the billions of Euros flooding your way to allow you to join the 21st century …

Nope, we are doing worst then ever, the general public I mean. EU money are stolen by politicians here, in Brussels and from some big western EU companies, no real economy is developed and we are nowhere.

For example the government announced public tender for new biometric ID cards, together with DL’s and passports, its gonna cost 250 million euro, all equipment will be bought from Western Europe. Please mind that we have perfectly ut to date ID documents, no need of change. Can you guess what kind of company will win the tender :grimacing:
Few months back the Agry ministry bought Toyota Lаndcruisers for Forestry department, 100 000 euro each, the tender was won by Agricultural minister former high school class mate… coincidence
The same is valid with motorway construction and all other EU funding.

Follow the money.So EU cash in large part provided by us gets spent on East Euro motorways.Or on Japanese products for an East Euro government agency with an associate of an East Euro government minister acting as the ‘agent’ for the deal.As for the passport security deal who actually gains from it such as who produces the kit and arranges the deal.In either case what’s in it for us other than paying for it. :unamused:

Out for me, remember they need us more than we need them…trade deficit was £8.1bn in Oct and rising (source ONS).
Plus we can then freely trade with other markets…just watch when we leave.

Come on Dolph be fair, you fellas aint doing so bad with all the billions of Euros flooding your way to allow you to join the 21st century …
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Nope, we are doing worst then ever, the general public I mean. EU money are stolen by politicians here, in Brussels and from some big western EU companies, no real economy is developed and we are nowhere.

For example the government announced public tender for new biometric ID cards, together with DL’s and passports, its gonna cost 250 million euro, all equipment will be bought from Western Europe. Please mind that we have perfectly ut to date ID documents, no need of change. Can you guess what kind of company will win the tender :grimacing:
Few months back the Agry ministry bought Toyota Lаndcruisers for Forestry department, 100 000 euro each, the tender was won by Agricultural minister former high school class mate… coincidence
The same is valid with motorway construction and all other EU funding.
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Never realised it was like that, welcome to the UK, sorry meant EU :slight_smile:

Switzerland voted against membership of the EU in a referendum in December 1992.

The country is thriving and don’t seem to have any problems with trade so why cant we be the same.

Vote Leave

Well for me it matters not what that idiot cameron did or did not negotiate with the unelected dictators of the EU or which of the most hated British politicians want in or out of the EU , Facts are if we are to have any chance of remaining English, Scottish Irish or Welsh

Then we need to leave the EU Stop the invasion of our land by all and sundry, why should anyone from another country have a better life here off the backs of the tax payer?
The mass migration of EU citizens has done untold harm to wage levels in the uk and at the same time caused a lot of extra pressure on schools, NHS, and housing stock, Only the most affluent have profited from this, the rest of us have suffered because of it, the government have been complicit in all this, it has enabled them to maintain their BS about our economy getting better , If you go shopping in the supermarkets you should of seen a all too familiar trend over the past 5yrs or so, that is instead of suppliers increasing their price they have instead decreased the quantity be that weight,contents size ect, but have not reduced the price , so in reality have increased the price but by stealth ,

So living costs have continued to rise whilst wages have either remained the same or even fallen thanks to scamercon and co

Well it’s become politicised on here :laughing: :laughing:

Let’s keep posts brief :wink: Carryfast :stuck_out_tongue: )

I’m not too worried about immigration from citizens within the EU itself, I’m more concerned about immigration from countries across other parts of the world. My view is that only those with essential skills such as engineers, scientists etc should be allowed in. I do know that this referendum won’t really address that.

I want out because:

  • I don’t want my tax pounds being sent abroad to support children who have never set foot in the UK
  • I don’t want to live in a country governed by legislation from Europe which we have a limited say in
  • I want our fishing fleet to fish where they see fit (within reason) without having to throw away their catch If they have caught too much, due to EU quotas.
  • I want British supermarkets and shops to be able to sell veg etc that is misshapen/ outsized and therefore not fit to sell according to stupid EU rules which means it is thrown away now, when we have people accessing food banks and going hungry. Etc etc etc.
  • I’m sick of criminals accessing the European Court of Human Rights, when we have a Supreme Court here in the UK perfectly capable of doing its job.
    -I don’t want £50m a day going into this scheme
  • I want the City of London to do what it wants without being restrained by Europe. Remember not every company in the City is a bank, but they make a fortune for the UK.
  • Most important The Queen is our head of state, (I am a royalist but understand others aren’t and I get people want a UK President). Whatever, our President is not Juncker or Shultz.

We can trade freely with pretty much anyone even if we come out. Only 5% of exports actually go to EU countries. Switzerland manages fine thanks.

There may be some short term pain, for long term gain.

Our fathers and grandfathers didn’t fight for the UK to be told what to do by others.

If we don’t get out now, we’ll be stuck with the EU for beyond our lifetimes!

VOTE OUT.

Fog in the Channel .

Europe is isolated .

Ha ha . is also funny that the pickled cabbage brigade were responsible for finishing off Soviet Union .

Now they responsible for finishing off the European Union .

theguardian.com/politics/201 … -in-the-eu

Scare tactics 101

OUT!

Obama has a bigger say than anyone here.

The reasons for staying in are not valid in a democratic society.

Out of Europe and out of the UK.

me - I say out, however you have as much chance of this as getting a group of drivers to stick together and agree.

trade wont be affected its scaremongering simple as - immigration and benefits etc. well until we sort out people who think breeding is a career choice I cant see things becoming better on the benefits front.

whole heartedly agree that due to mass immigration we now have excess strain being placed on housing - schools - hospitals.

£55million a day sent to the EU could be used so much better but hey ho I cant see people having the balls to vote out so my argument as most others on here is null and void!

war1974:
me - I say out, however you have as much chance of this as getting a group of drivers to stick together and agree.

trade wont be affected its scaremongering simple as - immigration and benefits etc. well until we sort out people who think breeding is a career choice I cant see things becoming better on the benefits front.

whole heartedly agree that due to mass immigration we now have excess strain being placed on housing - schools - hospitals.

£55million a day sent to the EU could be used so much better but hey ho I cant see people having the balls to vote out so my argument as most others on here is null and void!

With all due respect, I don’t agree with text in bold.

moomooland:
Switzerland voted against membership of the EU in a referendum in December 1992.

The country is thriving and don’t seem to have any problems with trade so why cant we be the same.

Vote Leave

How come Switzerland is still being swamped with immigrants of it’s own then?

I always thought that the “swiss vote” was to take them down to the level that WE are currently at… Outside the currency, in the EU, “Special Needs” case. :unamused:

Dolph:

war1974:
me - I say out, however you have as much chance of this as getting a group of drivers to stick together and agree.

trade wont be affected its scaremongering simple as - immigration and benefits etc. well until we sort out people who think breeding is a career choice I cant see things becoming better on the benefits front.

whole heartedly agree that due to mass immigration we now have excess strain being placed on housing - schools - hospitals.

£55million a day sent to the EU could be used so much better but hey ho I cant see people having the balls to vote out so my argument as most others on here is null and void!

With all due respect, I don’t agree with text in bold.

The Pound is down heavily today (3c - a big move for a single day’s trading) but that’s against the USD. It’s down 1c vs the Euro.

A cheap pound will help us sell stuff to the rest of the world a whole lot easier, should we by then be “out”. An expensive Euro on the other hand, will hopefully encourage Brits to buy less Euro goods rather than encourage them to buy none of our stuff.

I can’t see where the downside risk to trade is going to come from… If the pound had DOUBLED in price vs other currencies, then yes. We would be in the crapper make no mistake. But that’s not what’s happened, nor was expected to happen with Sterling though. :bulb: :sunglasses:

Winseer:

Dolph:

war1974:
me - I say out, however you have as much chance of this as getting a group of drivers to stick together and agree.

trade wont be affected its scaremongering simple as - immigration and benefits etc. well until we sort out people who think breeding is a career choice I cant see things becoming better on the benefits front.

whole heartedly agree that due to mass immigration we now have excess strain being placed on housing - schools - hospitals.

£55million a day sent to the EU could be used so much better but hey ho I cant see people having the balls to vote out so my argument as most others on here is null and void!

With all due respect, I don’t agree with text in bold.

The Pound is down heavily today (3c - a big move for a single day’s trading) but that’s against the USD. It’s down 1c vs the Euro.
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A cheap pound will help us sell stuff to the rest of the world a whole lot easier, should we by then be “out”. An expensive Euro on the other hand, will hopefully encourage Brits to buy less Euro goods rather than encourage them to buy none of our stuff.

I can’t see where the downside risk to trade is going to come from…. If the pound had DOUBLED in price vs other currencies, then yes. We would be in the crapper make no mistake. But that’s not what’s happened, nor was expected to happen with Sterling though. :bulb: :sunglasses:

A rapid decline of Pound Sterling will her UK economy more then it will help. Yes its good to a certain point, but better hope people don’t lose trust in British currency.
It might come in a form of no access to EU market unless UK follows EU rules.

"Margaret Thatcher was the first to realise that Britain’s specialisation in services – not only finance, but also law, accountancy, media, architecture, pharmaceutical research and so on – makes membership in the EU single market critical. It makes little economic difference to Germany, France, or Italy whether Britain is an EU member or simply in the WTO.

Britain would therefore need an EU association agreement, similar to those negotiated with Switzerland or Norway, the only two significant European economies outside the EU. From the EU’s perspective, the terms of any British deal would have to be at least as stringent as those in the existing association agreements. To grant easier terms would immediately force matching concessions to Switzerland and Norway. Worse still, any special favors for Britain would set a precedent and tempt other lukewarm EU members to make exit threats and demand renegotiation.

Among the conditions accepted by Norway and Switzerland that the EU would surely regard as non-negotiable are four that completely negate the political objectives of Brexit. Norway and Switzerland must abide by all EU single market standards and regulations, without any say in their formulation. They agree to translate all relevant EU laws into their domestic legislation without consulting domestic voters. They contribute substantially to the EU budget. And they must accept unlimited EU immigration, resulting in a higher share of EU immigrants in the Swiss and Norwegian populations than in the UK.

If Britain rejected these encroachments on national sovereignty, its service industries would be locked out of the single market. The French, German, and Irish governments would be particularly delighted to see UK-based banks and hedge funds shackled by EU regulations, and UK-based businesses involved in asset management, insurance, accountancy, law, and media forced to transfer their jobs, head offices, and tax payments to Paris, Frankfurt, or Dublin".

Winseer:

moomooland:
Switzerland voted against membership of the EU in a referendum in December 1992.

The country is thriving and don’t seem to have any problems with trade so why cant we be the same.

Vote Leave

How come Switzerland is still being swamped with immigrants of it’s own then?

I always thought that the “swiss vote” was to take them down to the level that WE are currently at… Outside the currency, in the EU, “Special Needs” case. :unamused:

The fact is what remains of EFTA is being blackmailed by the threat of EU trade sanctions against it if it doesn’t toe the EU line regards Merkel’s views on immigration.Assuming we get out of the scam and rejoin EFTA that would obviously be a game changer for that trading bloc v the EU.On tht note it would be great to see the reaction of Dolph’s lot who think that they can dictate terms when the reality hits them,of what negotiating from a position of trade deficit strength,means.Yes Dolph I’m sure ze Germans would really be ecstatic about having trade barriers put up against their exports to us.