…and now its back to the studio. Heres Carol with the weather…
Dolph:
So only people from EE claim benefits, all others are saints I guess
Hey mister knowledge, its British laws that allow this to happen, not EU. Why don’t you try claiming benefits for your kids in UK, while you live and work in France for example or other continental country!
You can’t because laws clearly say child must live in the territory of the country(whichever country it is).
UK benefit system is more generous then the Soviet style system and thats NOT Romania, Bulgaria or Poland problem, its Downing street problem.
By leaving nothing will change, simply immigrants on visas will be imported and benefits will continue to flow. Mark my words, until you fix your benefit system, no borders will save you from bankrupting.
The UK benefits systems may or may not be generous, but it’s an EU policy that migrant workers can claim the benefits of the country they are working in, and you can be sure that any UK government would have changed the national laws on in work benefits is they could have.
Stanley Knife:
Radar19:
Seriously worried about my job. I work for a very large Nordic shipping company.Please explain why you’re worried. Have you been told by your company that there will be changes?
A lot of things worry me. What if the company decide they don’t want to be here in the UK? What if they cut down on the contracts they have? Plus I’m about to buy a house so having a secure job is a priority for me. I honestly now don’t know if we would be better off outside the EU. Is there any guarantee that we would be able to secure trade deals? and at what cost? Lots of talk about having to keep the free movement of EU citizens if we wanted trade with the EU.
Radar19:
Stanley Knife:
Radar19:
Seriously worried about my job. I work for a very large Nordic shipping company.Please explain why you’re worried. Have you been told by your company that there will be changes?
A lot of things worry me. What if the company decide they don’t want to be here in the UK? What if they cut down on the contracts they have? Plus I’m about to buy a house so having a secure job is a priority for me. I honestly now don’t know if we would be better off outside the EU. Is there any guarantee that we would be able to secure trade deals? and at what cost? Lots of talk about having to keep the free movement of EU citizens if we wanted trade with the EU.
If your company has anything to do with a British company that actually manufactures something I would be worried they took the site to a cheaper Eu country if we stay.
3 wheeler:
Radar19:
Stanley Knife:
Radar19:
Seriously worried about my job. I work for a very large Nordic shipping company.Please explain why you’re worried. Have you been told by your company that there will be changes?
A lot of things worry me. What if the company decide they don’t want to be here in the UK? What if they cut down on the contracts they have? Plus I’m about to buy a house so having a secure job is a priority for me. I honestly now don’t know if we would be better off outside the EU. Is there any guarantee that we would be able to secure trade deals? and at what cost? Lots of talk about having to keep the free movement of EU citizens if we wanted trade with the EU.
If your company has anything to do with a British company that actually manufactures something I would be worried they took the site to a cheaper Eu country if we stay.
And this won’t happen if we leave? 
ROG:
I reckon the end vote for the UK will be to remain because so many are afraid of change
The inconvenient fact being what happened in 1973-5 in that case ?. 
It’s more a case of a zb wit establishment conspiracy and Social experiment to remove the perceived risk of war in defence of self determination and the nation state.By imposing the evil Federal rule which Nationalism was rightly fighting against.In addition to providing the US with self gratifying outside confirmation of its own flawed dictatorial governmental system in that regard.On the basis of if others are following/copying it then it must be good. 
When anyone with any sense can see that Europe needs to be a Confederation of Sovereign nation states.The problem being that obviously threatens the establishment by reducing the credibility of the US governmental system in suggesting that Lincoln was wrong and the wrong side won.
muckles:
Dolph:
So only people from EE claim benefits, all others are saints I guess
Hey mister knowledge, its British laws that allow this to happen, not EU. Why don’t you try claiming benefits for your kids in UK, while you live and work in France for example or other continental country!
You can’t because laws clearly say child must live in the territory of the country(whichever country it is).
UK benefit system is more generous then the Soviet style system and thats NOT Romania, Bulgaria or Poland problem, its Downing street problem.
By leaving nothing will change, simply immigrants on visas will be imported and benefits will continue to flow. Mark my words, until you fix your benefit system, no borders will save you from bankrupting.The UK benefits systems may or may not be generous, but it’s an EU policy that migrant workers can claim the benefits of the country they are working in, and you can be sure that any UK government would have changed the national laws on in work benefits is they could have.
Yes and thats the most normal thing, to get benefits in the country you(any person) reside, work and pay taxes.
While its the British law that didn’t require child present and the host country, something that is considered a fraud in the continent(child not living with parent in order to receive child benefits). So no its not EU that makes UK Gov send money to EE.
muckles:
3 wheeler:
If your company has anything to do with a British company that actually manufactures something I would be worried they took the site to a cheaper Eu country if we stay.And this won’t happen if we leave?
No because if we leave we then have the right to impose trade barriers based on the idea of maintaining trade balance which we can’t do if we stay.Thereby stopping the situation of goods sold here being made in cheap labour east euro countries or cheap east euro labour being imported even if the work stays here.
While an economy based on running a massive trade deficit and minimising wage rates by over supplying the labour market with cheap immigrant labour isn’t sustainable for anyone in the long term.
Carryfast:
muckles:
3 wheeler:
If your company has anything to do with a British company that actually manufactures something I would be worried they took the site to a cheaper Eu country if we stay.And this won’t happen if we leave?
No because if we leave we then have the right to impose trade barriers based on the idea of maintaining trade balance which we can’t do if we stay.Thereby stopping the situation of goods sold here being made in cheap labour east euro countries or cheap east euro labour being imported even if the work stays here.
While an economy based on running a massive trade deficit and minimising wage rates by over supplying the labour market with cheap immigrant labour isn’t sustainable for anyone in the long term.
And back on Planet Earth 
Dolph:
Yes and thats the most normal thing, to get benefits in the country you(any person) reside, work and pay taxes.
While its the British law that didn’t require child present and the host country, something that is considered a fraud in the continent(child not living with parent in order to receive child benefits). So no its not EU that makes UK Gov send money to EE.
In which case the East Euro countries would have had no grounds to go running to Merkel shouting foul if we stopped paying child benefit to migrant workers on that basis and it wouldn’t have needed to be part of any ‘re negotiation’.
All of which sounds like the propaganda bs that East Euros aren’t coming here to take advantage of in work benefits.In which case they’d obviously have no complaints about them being withdrawn from immigrant workers.
Dolph:
muckles:
Dolph:
So only people from EE claim benefits, all others are saints I guess
Hey mister knowledge, its British laws that allow this to happen, not EU. Why don’t you try claiming benefits for your kids in UK, while you live and work in France for example or other continental country!
You can’t because laws clearly say child must live in the territory of the country(whichever country it is).
UK benefit system is more generous then the Soviet style system and thats NOT Romania, Bulgaria or Poland problem, its Downing street problem.
By leaving nothing will change, simply immigrants on visas will be imported and benefits will continue to flow. Mark my words, until you fix your benefit system, no borders will save you from bankrupting.The UK benefits systems may or may not be generous, but it’s an EU policy that migrant workers can claim the benefits of the country they are working in, and you can be sure that any UK government would have changed the national laws on in work benefits is they could have.
Yes and thats the most normal thing, to get benefits in the country you(any person) reside, work and pay taxes.
While its the British law that didn’t require child present and the host country, something that is considered a fraud in the continent(child not living with parent in order to receive child benefits). So no its not EU that makes UK Gov send money to EE.
So considering it’s one of the factors that Cameron has tried to change in the EU and one of the biggest sticks that the out campaign have used. Do you not think that if the Government was able to change it with national legislation they would have?
muckles:
And back on Planet Earth
Yes the same planet Earth where our net EU contributions and immigrant benefit payments and trade deficit and resulting national debt is calculated.
muckles:
So considering it’s one of the factors that Cameron has tried to change in the EU and one of the biggest sticks that the out campaign have used. Do you not think that if the Government was able to change it with national legislation they would have?
Or maybe true to form the East Euros are just using bs diversionary tactics to keep us in and keep the money rolling in. 
Carryfast:
muckles:
So considering it’s one of the factors that Cameron has tried to change in the EU and one of the biggest sticks that the out campaign have used. Do you not think that if the Government was able to change it with national legislation they would have?Or maybe true to form the East Euros are just using bs diversionary tactics to keep us in and keep the money rolling in.
Got any links for that or maybe a youtube clip?
Carryfast:
muckles:
And back on Planet EarthYes the same planet Earth where our net EU contributions and immigrant benefit payments and trade deficit and resulting national debt is calculated.
Welcome back to Earth.
muckles:
Got any links for that
That inconsistency has been pushed by the establishment propaganda during most tv news programmes since Cameron’s ‘negotiations’ were concluded.IE the East Euros supposedly aren’t coming here to claim any benefits.But the East Euros also seem to be moaning about them not being able to claim them,for ‘some’ reason.
I’ll say that it makes no difference to the way I would be voting at the next general election - so “politically” this has made no difference whatsoever. I’m still going to be an “undecided” at this time.
Corbyn hasn’t sold me yet, Voting for Cameron/Osbourne seems out of the question - but there again they are not likely to be leader at the next election. If the referendum result has been fully implemented - one way or the other - there doesn’t seem to be any grounds for UKIP to still be around in 2020 either - assuming that the Tories will do the done thing and “hold out for that”.
The cat among the pigeons is set by a snap election being called however. If Cameron loses, and we indeed vote OUT - he’ll go to the polls early as a way of “resigning” that will throw as many Tories to the wolves as possible… He thinks… He hopes… Meanwhile the rest of us on a party by this point will be wondering how we can carve up his Witney constituency among themselves… I can’t see Cameron joining the back benches… If he resigns as PM he’ll be gone as an MP too… 
Shoving politics aside now - let’s think about how our own transport sector will be affected by changing around our trade routes, etc.
Firms like Cobelfret look to be having an interesting future right now.
Personally, I reckon trade with Scandinavia/Baltic area should pick up sharply after a Brexit… That’ll be GOOD for firms like Cobelfret surely?
One of the things that boils my ■■■■ about the UK being in the EU is the millions we pay daily to subsidise what were the backward new members of the club, ie. Poland,Bulgaria, Romania etc etc by improving their infrastructure then they send all the cheaply obtained trucks and labour over here to ruin our industries, so in a way we are paying twice for them to become civilised and move up from just owning a horse and cart !!
I’m OUT !!
Winseer:
I’ll say that it makes no difference to the way I would be voting at the next general election - so “politically” this has made no difference whatsoever. I’m still going to be an “undecided” at this time.Corbyn hasn’t sold me yet, Voting for Cameron/Osbourne seems out of the question - but there again they are not likely to be leader at the next election. If the referendum result has been fully implemented - one way or the other - there doesn’t seem to be any grounds for UKIP to still be around in 2020 either - assuming that the Tories will do the done thing and “hold out for that”.
The cat among the pigeons is set by a snap election being called however. If Cameron loses, and we indeed vote OUT - he’ll go to the polls early as a way of “resigning” that will throw as many Tories to the wolves as possible… He thinks… He hopes… Meanwhile the rest of us on a party by this point will be wondering how we can carve up his Witney constituency among themselves… I can’t see Cameron joining the back benches… If he resigns as PM he’ll be gone as an MP too…
Shoving politics aside now - let’s think about how our own transport sector will be affected by changing around our trade routes, etc.
Firms like Cobelfret look to be having an interesting future right now.
Personally, I reckon trade with Scandinavia/Baltic area should pick up sharply after a Brexit… That’ll be GOOD for firms like Cobelfret surely?
Assuming an in vote,especially one based on a narrow Scottish margin,there’s even more reason for a new Nationalist Party to arise out of the ashes of the out campaign to continue the fight.While assuming an out vote there is still a massive need for such a new Party to add to the nation’s political environment being that the same issues will then just transfer from EU rule to the fight against globalism.