apparently someone said that if we pull out then hgv drivers wages will go up,believe it when I see it
the maoster:
I heard that ^^^^ on the news today and listened cynically to the reports that the French upon Brexit will do nothing to stop the hordes from coming to our shores. Do nothing! In order to do that they’d need to be doing something now, which I see little or no evidence of.Is it just me or does anyone else think that the closer we get to D day the more hysterical the IN campaigners become? Tbh I despise these career politicians that much that I’d vote the opposite way to them whichever way they voted on the basis that they want precisely that which benefits them the most, not my beloved country.
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the maoster:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the closer we get to D day the more hysterical the IN campaigners become?
Probably not hysterical more like increasingly desperate cynical manipulation of the electoral process instead of just cynical.Which means interference by foreign federal government in the domestic electoral process.Make no mistake this is how Federations behave in this case just using economic threats now but inevitably military ones in the future for future generations.
How does France, even with Germany’s permission - get to shunt the “camp” over into Kent?
Are we going to roll out the red carpet at our end of the tunnel then?
Perhaps a brand new truckstop that only serves alcohol and bacon sandwiches that is “Officially” there to cater to drivers stuck at the docks for any particular weekend…
Anyone coming through the tunnel could then be sent straight there as a detention centre, where they get with the fayre - or don’t get fed and watered.
Let’s see how many of the blighters want to shift camp to kent - once they realize it’s bacon butties & beer - or nowt. 
Winseer:
How does France, even with Germany’s permission - get to shunt the “camp” over into Kent?Are we going to roll out the red carpet at our end of the tunnel then?
Ironically that’s what we do now if they can make it through the pretend barriers keeping them out.As it stands the In campaign are using our own open door immigration policy to make it’s case to stay in or the French will send them all over.While we’d actually be in a better position in a situation in which although it might be easier for them to get out of France.But one in which we’ll send them home when they arrive here.Instead of the status quo of it supposedly being more difficult to get out of France but easier to stay here if/when they do.IE win win for us but lose lose for the immigrants.That is probably dependent on the idea of an out vote also by implication meaning that Cameron goes too.
I havnt read every single post because most are boring…but what ( i believe ) hasnt been mentioned is the fact that Merkel and Cameron support Turkeys entry into the EU…i find that abhorrent because only Istanbul is actually in europe…but it would mean an estimated 70 million plus extra immigrants could enter freely to any country in the EU. Merkel welcomed into Germany as many immigrants as can get there, she is now reaping what she sowed, and her nation are totally against her, and the hordes creating havoc across not only germany, but surrounding countries. Greece is struggling with hordes arriving by sea from Turkey, Turkey is allowing many Syrians, Afghans, and god knows who else to cross its borders, Macedonia is struggling tio control the hordes arriving each day. Hungary, Bulgaria, Macedonia to name a few, have erected barbed wire fences, whilst the EU masters sit back and watch with their hands behind their backs.
Cameron hasnt done any deal that will benefit ME…I support any attempts to help those fleeing war and persecution, but firmly believe that the answers lies where these people have come from, ie, Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea, etc, the people smugglers have to be stopped at source…but…my strongest point is the amount of money/benefits we are having to give to hundreds of thousands of migrants, especially from former eastern bloc countries, child benefit being given to Polish workers, just because they happen to have found any job, at a cheap rate, knowing they can get a top up because the wage is so low, so with working tax credit, child benefit, housing benefit, they are at least £100 a week better off than, a uk worker who cannot claim these benefits because they have a partner who earns above the threshold…and i saw a program where a Polish couple were shown, he was working as i just described, and she, back home in Poland with the kids, has just opened a restaurant…no wonder the Polish president is against Cameron stopping this ■■■■■■■■…A friend of mine is moving to spain, there she can get help, and a bus pass ( she is a pensioner ) where i who has a residency in Bulgaria, get absolutely F/A as a pensioner, yet they can come here and claim what i cannot…and that is very unfair. Yes our system is totally wrong, and i want Cameron to explain to me, whats going to happen when an Immigrant arrives here with not a penny in his pocket, no understanding of the language, and 3/4 kids in tow…is he going to say `Sorry mate, theres nothing here for you to claim for a minimum of 4 years…your on your own…or the African who arrives, hes got Aids, the old woman is pregnant with 3 kids, and have 2 others already…are they going to get £100,000 of aids treatment for starters, a house, national health, maternity help, and everything that goes with it…YES…of course they will…then he will complain the population is getting older, their needs greater especially the health, and the NHS cannot cope, NO mate, its because you have allowed half the eastern bloc to gain access to our benefits, our health service, including free healthcare, medicines, etc etc, thats why and it all has to stop before the in/out vote to help people decide. Why should i have worked for 55 years, paid in every week into our system, for immigrants/migrants to come here and take something they have not contributed to, whereas in their country i am entitled to claim nothing… a uk pensioner gets £6500 per year…an Immigrant gets up to £26000 after paying not one penny.
Convince everyone you know - not to shaft us all by “not bothering to vote” then.
It’s already in the price that the INs are going to get in the low 30’s percent of the poll.
That’s not enough to win on a turnout of over 70%.
It IS enough to win with a turnout of 60% or lower in particular.
between 60 & 70 % turnout - it could literally go either way.
Let’s not leave anything to chance. In the general election a lot of hard-core party voters wanting to make a protest vote - desisted on the day, as they really thought we were likely to have a LabSNP coalition, which frightened the crap out of anyone with a mortgage in the entire south of England!
Truth was, Milliband was nowhere near - but Cameron didn’t want a “close result” that involved him in coalition with UKIP either. Thus, we saw would-be Tory-UKIP voters staying at home, and Labour-UKIP voters coming out in force - but only in safe Labour seats in the north of England, where they couldn’t get past the incumbents there just as they couldn’t get past the incumbent Tories down here in the home counties…
The referendum result will likely cause a serious breakdown in law and order - it it goes “marginally” - especially if a “marginal” result allows the INs to steal it as many suspect is already being planned.
By rights, 30-35% of a poll should NEVER be enough to carry a motion. SO it should not be enough to keep the status quo empowered either!
It’s a sad day indeed when IN requires 30-35% to win outright, but OUT needs the full 51% (of the electorate)
They are not ever going to get that without a super-high turnout. Each person who cannot be arsed - might as well be sticking a knife into an OUT voter as they leave for whatever they considered to be more important than going to vote that day… This isn’t about “I’m alright Jack” - as at least such people make a gain out of their decision…
THIS time it’s like whites voting for Sharia law, Labour voting for benefit cuts, or Tories voting for a top rate of tax of 90%!
Meanwhile, we have both Cameron and Corbyn united at last. Telling us that IN is good because “OUT” is bad! 
There’s also another reason to leaving the EU and that is known as TTIP
http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/eu-us-free-trade-agreement-or-ttip/ Hopefully by leaving the EU this will be stopped dead in the water
Winseer:
The referendum result will likely cause a serious breakdown in law and order - it it goes “marginally” - especially if a “marginal” result allows the INs to steal it as many suspect is already being planned.By rights, 30-35% of a poll should NEVER be enough to carry a motion. SO it should not be enough to keep the status quo empowered either!
It’s a sad day indeed when IN requires 30-35% to win outright, but OUT needs the full 51% (of the electorate)
If they are really applying a different threshold of majority for an out vote v an in vote that’s another reason why the matter needs to be sorted out without any referendum.On the grounds that our membership isn’t consistent with the constitution in addition to the lack of credibility of any referendum anyway.In which the in campaign is based on what amounts to foreign interference in our domestic affairs by threats of what are effectively trade and border control sanctions.In addition to the double standard applying to a Scottish vote for in v an English vote for out.
On that note,given a close vote,it would be the idea of us being kept in on the basis of the Scottish margin.While the Scottish obviously have no intention of being taken out on the basis of the English margin,which would/should be another deal breaker,regarding trust in the referendum process,based on present information.
you have to hand it to ukip and good old nigel he has stood up to the political correct loonys and won so much respect no matter what people thrown at him he was a huge pain in the ass to them all and it got a result, now lets hope the drivers who didnt have the balls to refuse to get a cpc card stand up to be counted with this once in a life time chance to turn things around, if you want better wages and conditions then its simple vote out close our doors and lets get our own people paid well again vote inn and watch stobarts wages become the norm in the driving game
You back from your Black OP’s assignment then desypete? 
The-Snowman:
boredwivdrivin:
Some load of back pedaling guff that I slipped into a coma readingYou can try to claim you’re not racist till you’re blue in the face but everyone knows it and nothing you can say now changes what you’ve posted countless times in the past. Any time you talk about eastern europeans or Scotland for example your posts drip with disdain and your hatred is barely concealed because you cant help yourself. The problem with you is you’re the worst kind of racist. You can’t see that’s what you are. You think there’s nothing wrong with some of the stuff you say. At least with a skin head neo ■■■■ they dont try to hide it .People like you always try to claim they aren’t but your mask slips countless times.
boredwivdrivin:
i will sit back and await my apology for your slander .Slander is for a false accusation therefor I have nothing to issue an apology for.
- BWD, YOU ARE A RACIST!!!
You’ve exposed yourself too many times for it to be in question…
And to deny it reminds me of a bloke at a firm I used to work at who claimed he wasn’t a racist, as he hated all black people! 
The thing about Democracy is that if racists are in the majority, and then then get treated badly in a poll - which is then worse? - Burying democracy forever, or just letting everyone have their free speech, and then move on?
When I walk down the street and see racist behaviour - I don’t think about thumping them - I just walk on by. If someone else is offended, then it is up to THEM to do the thumping - right?
I won’t have other people “taking offence at me” because I am NOT offended though! 