jakethesnake:
I agree split the lanes on approach if necessary is the correct thing to do but what gets me is when you get a lorry taking up both lanes unecessarily.
Some can’t seem to work out what space they actually need. They are in the minority but they do it at times.
What’s the problem with holding up some impatient [zb] up in a car, or some inept so called driver in a truck for all of 30 secs, to prevent them [zb] ing you up in some way.
Maybe those guys you mention are new to the job and after being told to use every inch of space available, they are taking it literally until they get better with experience.
Or maybe he’s had continuous bad experience with said type idiots, so he’s covering every avenue, …Who knows, who cares, is it sooo important?, as I said ‘All of 30 seconds’ to try and avoid a balls up.
Like I said earlier if you consider everybody around you to be an idiot until they prove otherwise, you do not go far wrong.
This is spot on, also if the other vehicle tucks in behind you they will get through the roundabout quicker than they would if they were alongside you. Unfortunately the last part of the statement is too often the case.
Yeah, well, then there’s this guy:
jakethesnake:
There’s no real problem especially if it maybe a new driver with little confidence however sometimes it’s blatantly embarrassing when you are in your car and you see a truck blocking two lanes when there is no need. Surely you must have seen it when driving your car?
With a large ‘‘HOW’S MY DRIVING? VISIT REPORTASHETTYDRIVER.COM TO RATE ME!’’ on the back of our trailers it’s not inconceivable that a bored passenger with the inconvenienced driver decides to do just that.
jakethesnake:
There’s no real problem especially if it maybe a new driver with little confidence however sometimes it’s blatantly embarrassing when you are in your car and you see a truck blocking two lanes when there is no need
It’s a very rare situation where I’d ever approach and enter a roundabout side by side with an artic at least even if it’s not straddling the lanes on approach.
Like only if it’s in lane 1 and I’m in lane 3 of a three lane roundabout or vice versa.Never in the case of a two lane approach and entry.
That applies whether I’m driving a car or a truck.You sound like a cyclist.
No, neither would I, where did that come from? I never said I would■■?
To make my point clearer there is no problem holding up an impatient car driver but as I said I have occasionally seen trucks using two lanes unnecessarily holding up non impatient drivers.Does not look good.
Fine to split lanes but only when necessary.
Winseer:
…“slow overtaking” on two lane dual carriageways and motorways - springs to mind.
Yes another form of bad driving that gives us a bad name. Don’t matter to me now I’m retired but I don’t like seeing any form of bad driving especially when it affects other innocent drivers.
I’ll refer you to Robroy’s statement, “treat other driver’s as idiots until they prove otherwise” this means ALL other drivers.
The grass me up stickers come with options too, 1, don’t worry about them, if you’re not driving like a maniac there’s nothing to fear. 2, if it becomes an issue then explain that to be found guilty there must be supporting evidence, without that there is no case or 3, if you have a dedicated trailer, get a sticker made to cover the phone number with another number, some kind of deviant helpline would be funny, or as I once did, the number for the Samaritans. I should explain that it was my own trailer and it had a “How’s my driving?” sticker on it when I bought it secondhand so I thought I’d have some fun. Probably not a good idea on a company trailer though.
jakethesnake:
There’s no real problem especially if it maybe a new driver with little confidence however sometimes it’s blatantly embarrassing when you are in your car and you see a truck blocking two lanes when there is no need
It’s a very rare situation where I’d ever approach and enter a roundabout side by side with an artic at least even if it’s not straddling the lanes on approach.
Like only if it’s in lane 1 and I’m in lane 3 of a three lane roundabout or vice versa.Never in the case of a two lane approach and entry.
That applies whether I’m driving a car or a truck.You sound like a cyclist.
No, neither would I, where did that come from? I never said I would■■?
Define ‘no need’.
Why would you care if he’s taking up two lanes or not assuming you’re going by the rule hold back behind it on the approach and entry regardless in the case of anything other than the rare situation of lane 1 v 3 of a three lane roundabout.
Winseer:
…“slow overtaking” on two lane dual carriageways and motorways - springs to mind.
Yes another form of bad driving that gives us a bad name. Don’t matter to me now I’m retired but I don’t like seeing any form of bad driving especially when it affects other innocent drivers.
How can there possibly be anything other than slow overtaking with speed limiters set at 56 mph.
jakethesnake:
To make my point clearer there is no problem holding up an impatient car driver but as I said I have occasionally seen trucks using two lanes unnecessarily holding up non impatient drivers.Does not look good.
Fine to split lanes but only when necessary.
Define ‘unnecessarily’ in your view.Exactly what type of situation are you referring to.
Are you going with the premise that it’s generally ok to approach and enter a roundabout side by side with a large vehicle or not.
As opposed to only in the case of the exception of at least one clear lane seperating the two on the approach and through the roundabout.
Winseer:
…“slow overtaking” on two lane dual carriageways and motorways - springs to mind.
Yes another form of bad driving that gives us a bad name. Don’t matter to me now I’m retired but I don’t like seeing any form of bad driving especially when it affects other innocent drivers.
How can there possibly be anything other than slow overtaking with speed limiters set at 56 mph.
There is slow overtaking and then there is trying to overtake when it’s not really possible in an adequate time which inconveniences other road users.
It’s all about being able to anticipate and helping each other out if need be but some just don’t have the self control to ease off and sit behind.
Did you ever drive a lorry?
jakethesnake:
To make my point clearer there is no problem holding up an impatient car driver but as I said I have occasionally seen trucks using two lanes unnecessarily holding up non impatient drivers.Does not look good.
Fine to split lanes but only when necessary.
Define ‘unnecessarily’ in your view.Exactly what type of situation are you referring to.
Are you going with the premise that it’s generally ok to approach and enter a roundabout side by side with a large vehicle or not.
As opposed to only in the case of the exception of at least one clear lane seperating the two on the approach and through the roundabout.
I am referring to the situation the op brought up in the first place where he is being bullied onto the kerb by car drivers (BELIEVE IT OR NOT)
You were the one that mentioned two lorries side by side, where ever that came from I don’t know.
As I said in an earlier post it’s when you get a lorry blocking two lanes on a roundabout unnecesarily which in turn frustrates some car drivers.
Again as I said earlier a bit like when you are following a car in a truck and the said car won’t go through a gap when there is plenty of room.
Don’t tell me you have never witnessed either situation.
Winseer:
…“slow overtaking” on two lane dual carriageways and motorways - springs to mind.
Yes another form of bad driving that gives us a bad name. Don’t matter to me now I’m retired but I don’t like seeing any form of bad driving especially when it affects other innocent drivers.
How can there possibly be anything other than slow overtaking with speed limiters set at 56 mph.
There is slow overtaking and then there is trying to overtake when it’s not really possible in an adequate time which inconveniences other road users.
It’s all about being able to anticipate and helping each other out if need be but some just don’t have the self control to ease off and sit behind.
Did you ever drive a lorry?
How far are you going to take the ease off and sit behind argument.That’s effectively the same thing as a truck overtaking ban.
As for ‘helping out’ you back off from 50 mph to 45 mph.Now you’ve created more overtaking traffic than there was before blocking lane 2 at an even slower speed.So you need to back off to 40 mph etc etc etc.
The answer is simple increase the limiter speed to 60-65 mph.You know along the lines of our actual truck motorway limit.
Yes I drove plenty of trucks probably more without speed limiters than with.
Your point being what.
Oh and you didn’t answer the question regarding roundabouts.
If you hold back as you’re supposed to so as not to enter a roundabout side by side with a truck why do you give a zb if it’s straddling the line on the approach and through the roundabout or not.
I’m only seeing a cyclist pretending to know how to drive a truck or in fact anything.
Speed limiters and roundabouts have little to do with one another. Keep on topic, if you want to debate speed limiters, speed limits, or any other unrelated drivel then start a new thread please.
jakethesnake:
it’s blatantly embarrassing when you are in your car and you see a truck blocking two lanes when there is no need
Embarrassing? Seriously?..To who exactly, why do you even care? ffs
It’s a no win situation with you Jake, you constantly comment on careless and inept driving,.and when somebody is a bit over cautious you might say, for whatever reason, and covering every avenue of potential ■■■■ up, (however unnecessary that action may be in real terms) you still have a pop.
You say ‘embarrasing’ why do you take stuff that you have no bearing or control over so personally, most of us just notice it and let it go over our heads, embarrassing moments from my pov, are left to stuff that actually concerns ME.
When I’m in my car, I certainly ain’t judging, monitoring, or awarding points to truck drivers I’m following…to be perfectly honest I could not give a ■■■■.
jakethesnake:
As I said in an earlier post it’s when you get a lorry blocking two lanes on a roundabout unnecesarily which in turn frustrates some car drivers.
Again as I said earlier a bit like when you are following a car in a truck and the said car won’t go through a gap when there is plenty of room.
Don’t tell me you have never witnessed either situation.
How can he be bullied by a car driver into the kerb unless the car driver in question is trying to enter the roundabout side by side with the truck IE a truck lane 1 car lane 2 situation.
I actually mentioned anything side by side with a truck entering a roundabout car, bike or truck.
You’re the one who’s made it clear that you don’t have a clue about rule 187 of the Highway Code.
It doesn’t matter what the truck does on the approach and entry to the roundabout because you ain’t supposed to be at the side of it you stay behind it at least unless you’re seperated by a clear lane between you.
What the zb has width judgement got to do with an issue of allowing for length and cut in on the approach and through a roundabout.
robroy:
When I’m in my car, I certainly ain’t judging, monitoring, or awarding points to truck drivers I’m following…to be perfectly honest I could not give a [zb].
You can bet that if I get into conflict with truck at the side of me while driving through a roundabout I’ll be blaming myself unless the truck was behind me on the approach to it and I got there first.
By definition I really couldn’t car less what line a truck takes on the approach and through a roundabout because I’ll generally make sure that I stay well behind it.
newmercman:
Speed limiters and roundabouts have little to do with one another. Keep on topic, if you want to debate speed limiters, speed limits, or any other unrelated drivel then start a new thread please.
Rather odd that all your interventions concerns the snake isn’t it seems to be a reoccurring theme ummmm
newmercman:
Speed limiters and roundabouts have little to do with one another. Keep on topic, if you want to debate speed limiters, speed limits, or any other unrelated drivel then start a new thread please.
Rather odd that all your interventions concerns the snake isn’t it seems to be a reoccurring theme ummmm
To be fair nmm seemed to be warning our cyclist fake truck/car driver to stay on topic.
The lanes at the roundabout are wide enough for a truck why would the truck therefore possibly need more space than that width seems to be his logic.
jakethesnake:
it’s blatantly embarrassing when you are in your car and you see a truck blocking two lanes when there is no need
Embarrassing? Seriously?..To who exactly, why do you even care? ffs
It’s a no win situation with you Jake, you constantly comment on careless and inept driving,.and when somebody is a bit over cautious you might say, for whatever reason, and covering every avenue of potential [zb] up, (however unnecessary that action may be in real terms) you still have a pop.
You say ‘embarrasing’ why do you take stuff that you have no bearing or control over so personally, most of us just notice it and let it go over our heads, embarrassing moments from my pov, are left to stuff that actually concerns ME.
When I’m in my car, I certainly ain’t judging, monitoring, or awarding points to truck drivers I’m following…to be perfectly honest I could not give a [zb].
We are all different thank goodness. When I drove lorries I took great pride in the vehicle I drove and the way I drove it. Now I have retired I still find it embarassing to see drivers making a complete hash of things. Yes I know some might be newbies and they have a slight excuse but others in my book need some sort of re training. Don’t get me wrong the vast majority are fine just like the vast majority of car drivers and cyclists but you always get the ones that take the mick either through lack of skill or the ones who have a blatant lack of consideration for others on the road. Although I don’t see any UK driving these days I do see a bit of the Dutch style which is better in some ways and worse in others.
Personally I think when you worked in training as long as I did you never really stop watching other drivers and what they do. It don’t upset me but it does get depressing to see the crap standard of some.
fake truck/car driver to stay on topic.
blatant lack of consideration for others on the road. Although I don’t see any UK driving these days I do see a bit of the Dutch style which is better in some ways and worse in others.