Found some more pics of Groonenboom’s 12-97-FB online. Robert
robert1952:
DEANB:
Eurotest table from 1978.0
That makes interesting reading! I notice the NGC is high on speed but not so high on fuel. The SA does well! Robert
Maybe in large part a reflection of the previously discussed gearing issues depending on how the SA might have been geared in comparison with a few years of hindsight behind it ?.Maybe also confirmed by it being expected to be a bit slower especially in the hills but with a noticeable fuel consumption improvement.While also suggesting that the big cam powered SA was the spiritual successor to the NGC and deserved to do much better in the market than it did.
Been sent this pic by a mate. New one of Shamara,looks like its on the M271 looking at the concrete motorway.
DEANB:
Been sent this pic by a mate. New one of Shamara,looks like its on the M271 looking at the concrete motorway.0
What a superb shot! Unusual to get elevated pictures of NGCs. Blimey, they’re all coming out of the woodwork this week, aren’t they! Robert
Found this pic of Barent Sjouw’s 41-54-NB, though its rather fuzzy. This is the picture I mentioned a few months ago on here but didn’t post because a correspondent had sent me a really clear copy for Book 3. My picture shows the number plate quite clearly, revealing that it’s Dutch pre-registration number was N-06-55. Robert
robert1952:
DEANB:
Eurotest table from 1978.0
That makes interesting reading! I notice the NGC is high on speed but not so high on fuel. The SA does well! Robert
I think the differences were more to do with the driver. On a “fast” day, he would use more fuel. He was on one of those when the NGC went round the route. The Leyland MTC3832 had the same engine, but went much slower. The productivity figures are more informative, as they contain both fuel consumption and speed, although driver attitude, traffic and weather conditions play a part in that too.
The productivity table shows up one other possible influence- manufacturer preparation. Notice how all the participants in the first Eurotest are at or near the bottom. The magazine text probably puts it down to progress, but a 25% improvement in productivity in 4 years? Remarkable. I reckon the manufacturers had seen how popular the magazine had become, so were more likely to supply an “optimised” vehicle. In addition, the driver had become more familiar with the route.
I am not completely cynical about those tests. The sub-300bhp 6 cylinder engines, with lower rated maximum speeds, used less fuel than the 330+bhp V8 screamers, so there is some sense in it. The Fiat V8 was about half-a-decade later to market than the other V8s, so some genuine progress might be visible through the fog. In a similar vein, the 320 Magirus had about a decade of development more than the 310.
DEANB:
Found the fella that drew that pic i put on here last year. Also a couple more.
It would be nice to know his name! I always like to acknowledge people who produce good artwork. Robert
A new one chaps ! Crap picture and trying to find more information about it. Photo was taken in France
in 1974.
DEANB:
A new one chaps ! Crap picture and trying to find more information about it. Photo was taken in France
in 1974.0
Steuth! That looks like a new one indeed. The livery is vaguely reminiscent of Richard Read but the waistline is in the wrong place. So the picture was taken in France: now we need to find out if it was French or ‘foreign’ (to France). On the face of it, this is to be treated as an entirely new NGC find so I’ll record it accordingly unless proved otherwise. Robert
Re the last photo of the new blue one,could it be a rigid? The headboard looks close to the back of the cab and it looks exactly the same colour blue.
Just a thought.
Its been quite a week on this thread.,well done chaps.
Steve.
vwvanman0:
Re the last photo of the new blue one,could it be a rigid? The headboard looks close to the back of the cab and it looks exactly the same colour blue.Just a thought.
Its been quite a week on this thread.,well done chaps.
Steve.
Good point Steve,it could be a rigid ? Heres is a bigger picture. Now look at the f88 volvo near the end.The f88
has the same body as the ERF and colour. Therefore one would assume that they are the same company ?
What i want to know is what bodies are on them trucks ? They have canvas roofs like tippers,but i dont
think they are tippers looking at the red merc with the luton above the cab. I wonder what them bodies
carry normally ■■
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I have used an online translation website which is useless it never translates properly but gives us a rough
translation. (Can some translte it please ) From what i can make out it was taken in Chalons-Sur-Marne,
which had its name changed in 1998 to Chalons-en-Champagne,France.
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I think it is 100 % French as another driver mentions it was probably bought from “Le garage de la Marne,Reims”
which apparently sold several NGC’s according to him. Reims is not very far away from where the picture was taken. The garage later became a Volvo garage and has now closed.(Crap translation again)
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Looks to me like these are the bodies on the photo of the new ERF. Anyone know what they are built to carry ?
vwvanman0:
Re the last photo of the new blue one,could it be a rigid?
Going by the line of the drawbar trailer among them and assuming they are all on the same dock in line they all seem to be rigids including the ERF.Bearing in mind that rigids/drawbars were a common wide spread choice on the continent at that time and for some time after and even today to a relatively lesser extent.
I’d say it was a draw-bar outfit with one of those rag-top box bodies for top loading (general haulage) that were so common in France. We seem to have a new French NGC! Robert 
vwvanman0:
Re the last photo of the new blue one,could it be a rigid? The headboard looks close to the back of the cab and it looks exactly the same colour blue.Just a thought.
Its been quite a week on this thread.,well done chaps.
Steve.
I agree. Having driven both artics and drawbars, it caught my eye immediately. Almost certainly a drawbar outfit, I’d say, as the other NGC rigids were all drawbars and at that power so they should have been! Thank you for your interest and encouragement. It has certainly been an exciting week on this thread! Robert
To ensure that all contributed reports, sightings and rumours receive an equal ‘airing’, I have decided to include them all in the main body of the register, simply placing the word UNCONFIRMED in the right-hand column of doubtful entries.
An additional advantage to this is that I can better retain my own numerical code for each vehicle in the left-hand column, simply adding to it instead of shuffling all the numbers up to insert new arrivals.
With the publication of Book 3 still some way off, it seems prudent to share my current NGC Register once more with this thread. The register is, of course, fluid in that it is constantly being updated. Much detail has changed since I last posted my version of the register on here. But with so many dedicated members showing an interest in the quest for 91 NGCs, the register can assist and hopefully stimulate further enthusiasm!
Robert
Hi All, My thoughts, If the line of trucks were on bays then who would let cars be parked at the end of the row ?
Back then we worked on 24ft body and 24ft trailer + A frame about 8 feet so this might be just a parking lot ?
Could they all be cattle transporters with protectors on the front of the body (as with the Luton Merc) ?
In which case could they all be parked up at the Market ?
Dont be to hard on me chaps, just trying to think, difficult at my age. Harvey