orys:
‘…Don’t be silly…’
Pure class, Orys: Nice one.
(…see my above)
biggusdickusgb:
orys:
Ethiopia has no economy at all and that’s the difference.you’re showing your ignorance again orys, your country is being artificially helped along by the EU.
Off course, but it was a fishing rod, not the fish. And your country is helped by EU as well, or this sings arround informing that “This or that was build within EU such and such program” are just here for confusing the enemy.
your economy wasn’t going anyhere and thats why poland had been begging to join the EU for years.
in a short period of time, the EU will pump many billions into your system, they’ll subsidise your road system, subsidise western business into your country, in short they’ll bring you up to our level in a way you couldn’t have done it on your own.
Now you are showing some lack of knowledge. During this period of “begging” as you call it, Poland just had to fullfill some conditions, like economical grow on required level etc, and that’s was it. Also, we don’t ned to beg noone to be part of Europe, we are living here for about 1200 years as a nation and that’s simply where we are belonging. Especially we don’t need to beg for that Britain, as Britain was already deciding Polish fate before and it wasn’t of much good for us. So, whatever you think and whatever you like, Poland IS a part of Europe. EOT.
Another thing is that even with Poland OUTSIDE European Union, Poland would have strong influence on European Economy, as it is a huge market and also it’s geographically locations makes it important due to transit requirements. Therefore improving Polish roads is not a gift to Poland, it’s just a long-time investition for the West, who want to trade with the East. If they would have to use Polish ancient road system, or if they would have to go arround, they would loose much more during the years than they put into Polish roads.
Also: Do you really think, that Western Businesses needed help to buy out everything in Poland when it was so cheap? If they would like to help Poland, they would pump money into Polish businesses, don’t you think? 
So it short words: Yes, EU helped us to achieve this, what otherwise would take us longer. But it profitable for everyone. It’s like when you are living in the nice house next to some ruins and garbage dump. If there will be a nice house there, value of your property would be bigger. So it’s good for you for example to pick up all the litter flying arround, even if you have to do it yourself, as that way you’ll be able to gain more when selling your home. It’s something similar here.
when did poland last have a drought?
Vast areas of Poland suffering from lack of drinking water, for example Åódź area. Also we have floods almost every spring and summer, twisters, heavy snow (and by that I mean real snow, not just a white coloring you have here in Britain) etc.
when did poland last have a civil war.
Hm. I don’t know what you mean. There were a heavy fights with Ukrainians at the east up to 50’s and last units were captured in late 60’s. Also there was a big underground resistance against communist rule in Stalinist period. Then you have PoznaÅ„ uprising in 1956, events in 1968, 1970 (it wasn’t a real war, but people were shooted down on the streets and tanks were crusing the towns). Then you have State of War, started in 1981 and lasted for few years. Again many people were killed, some spend a huge time in prisons (like my father).
It’s also worth to mention that we had an enemy army in Poland till 1991.
yet despite all this they have a fast growing economy, they are one the worlds biggest supplier of coffee, they are in the worlds top ten producers of beef, they are rich in gold and other minerals.
they have had a constant growth rate of 10% year on year since 1998, compare that to polands 3% in 2003
…and yet milions are starving to death there… It’s just another prove that Gross National Income is not the only factor.
Happy Keith:
biggusdickusgb:
‘…the EU will pump many billions into your system, they’ll subsidise your road system, subsidise western business into your country…’’With the major (read millions of ££’s) ‘contributions’ that UK throws at Brussels each day, er, we are at the pinnacle of funders within the EU …and also on the verge of financial & moral bankruptcy. And you claim:
biggusdickusgb:
‘…bring you up to our [?] level…’Was the saddening irony intentional…?
Sad or fun? 
But BTW: you reminded me something: you are rich country and you are not happy that you have to pay so much into the EC jar.
What about Poland, who has to paid more than it recieved in first year of European membership?
orys:
During this period of “begging” as you call it, Poland just had to fullfill some conditions, like economical grow on required level etc, and that’s was it
thats what i mean, even with all the extra effort required to meet EU criteria you managed a majestical 3%
but if you remember you said
Ethiopia has nothing to bring into our economy
and
Ethiopia has no economy at all
i’ve already told you part of what they produce, there is a lot more and all of which we use in the EU
and considering they are managing 10% year on year growth for over ten years now,
even with all the help your country is getting they could only manage 6%, probably less now due to the recession.
Also, we don’t ned to beg noone to be part of Europe, we are living here for about 1200 years as a nation and that’s simply where we are belonging
i think it’s nearer 1000 than 1200, and ethiopia has been trading with europe longer than your country has been in existance 
orys:
‘…What about Poland, who has to paid more than it recieved in first year of European membership?..’
Only the first year??
Maybe the Polish people were asked if they wished it by democratic means? …whereas Britain was, in the early 1970’s, simply joining a ‘Common Market’ based on a non-consultative & as evidence shows, flimsy representation by Ted Heath.
Meanwhile, UK abides by the same rules that regularly sees Greek bar-staff smoking at the bar, Spain tipping donkeys out of bell-towers & as UK gives ££’s per day what Ireland - and now most of the east draws out per day/week/month, etc …whilst many of them politically dislike us!
Our songs - whilst clearly the best 
- never get in the top half of the Eurovision Song Contest league, whilst we prefer the consumerism of the Florida Disney than the Gallic disinterest of Disney Paris - so ‘nuts’ to Europe is perhaps warranted on many grounds aside from this jobs lark…?
orys:
So how do you like my fairy tale?I obviously have too much free time (or rather I am too lazy, as I was supposed to write an article about sightseeing of Western Ross, not a another stupid forum post)
Excellent Orys !! 
Wait till you see mine
I can tell this is not a true story as if it was real Mr. Ethiopia would be given a public sector job, even moreso if he was in a wheelchair in order to meet racial integration,disability and diversity targets . And Mr.British would quite happily pay for it
biggusdickusgb:
thats what i mean, even with all the extra effort required to meet EU criteria you managed a majestical 3%
GDP GROWTH is not only factor to describe countries and we already discussed that…
i think it’s nearer 1000 than 1200, and ethiopia has been trading with europe longer than your country has been in existance
You can think whatever you want. And if we want to talk about Facts:
- Teofilakt Symokatta describes capturing Slavs near Constantinopol (today: Istabul) AD 592, they told that they are coming from “North Ocean” (today: Baltic See)
- Anonimus know as “the Gall” describes the Piast’s dynasty, who took power after the King Popiel and they were ruling Poles (then: Polans) for most of IX and X century.
- First well documentated Polish King, Mieszko The First, who married Czech princess Dobrava in 965 and in 966 got baptised, expanded country and made some modern developments.
This is a map showing borders of Poland in 992 (thick red line):
He beat the Germans in Cedynia Battle in 972 and as a result he was started to consider as a serious ruler and got involved in German politics. Also he fought Czechs and gained Silesia and other lands.
Next King, Bolesław Chrobry was recognized by Pope. And then modern country fully started.
Happy Keith:
Britain was, in the early 1970’s, simply joining a ‘Common Market’ based on a non-consultative & as evidence shows, flimsy representation by Ted Heath.
I know what you feel. Some Poles still claim that they were mislided and Europenian Union’s only reason in being interested in Poland is to take over the Polish economy…
Meanwhile, UK abides by the same rules that regularly sees Greek bar-staff smoking at the bar, Spain tipping donkeys out of bell-towers & as UK gives ££’s per day what Ireland - and now most of the east draws out per day/week/month, etc …whilst many of them politically dislike us!
These are not rules, these are recommendation. And it’s good for health so still more and more countries are banning smoking. As for exact amount paid into the brussels, compared to what which country is taking from there, my info on that subject is very limited, but if you’ll provide some data we can discuss. But for me you don’t seem to obid the recommendation too much - you have still snax vans at every corner (which is not advisable due to hygiene reasons), you don’t want to join Schengen or Euro zone, you don’t want to use metric system and you even drive on the wrong side of the road compared to the rest
Our songs - whilst clearly the best
If you judging European music basing in Eurovision Contest - good luck 
Only two infos: In Poland no serious musician will demean himself to join this contest. Czechs have it deep in their arses and they do not send anyone at all (and that smart thinking for me). Spaniards are sending some comic to make a laugh on people who treat Eurovision seriously… thinkspain.com/news-spain/14 … nge-lyrics
You can’t tell that, as it’s almost impossible to spot non-english speaking song in British radio, but other countries are playing foreing music as well and I can assure you: Most of Eurovision participants have virtually no influence on the musical market, they were never heard about before and they will be forgotten soon
Mike-C:
Excellent Orys !!
I can tell this is not a true story as if it was real Mr. Ethiopia would be given a public sector job, even moreso if he was in a wheelchair in order to meet racial integration,disability and diversity targets . And Mr.British would quite happily pay for it
Heh…
But I can’t wait for your story. I can already imagine it’s beginning.
"Long time ago, Tony Liar, the ruler of HobBriton decided, agains his folk, hard working, merry HobBrits, that he’ll allow Goblins from the East to work there. “They won’t do you any harm” -told he to his people - “Only few of them will come and they will be cleaning toilets, as it’s what they are able to do”.
But then Goblins came in wild hordas, they rented every stinky cave arround from the Trolls from Trollistan and they were working everywhere - they were healing HobBritish patients in Hospitals, they were building HobBritish houses, they were washing HobBritish dishies etc. etc. Meanwhile HobBriton has to pay a huge contributions to Mighty Wizard Brusself and his companion from Mordoreux near the Dutch Mountains. Tony Liar after becoming really hated by whole HobBritish population, fled away and hide himself in his hole, secretly joining the Wizards.
Then the Cyclop From The Wild North took power and started to do even more stupid things. He fully opened HobBritish transport for foreig carts and he refused to charge them on Bridges, even if that was what everyone arround were doing. In meantime Hard Times came, and HobBrit folks started to loose their jobs, as the stupid HobBritish company owners were thinking upside down and instead of employing one decent HobBrit to do a job, they prefered to employ twice as much Goblins to do half of the job HobBrit was able to do for the same money. They weren’t able to understand that they are paying half the money but they have only quarter of so good and famous on the world HobBritish quality. No-one knows why they were doing that if that was obvious that there is no worker over HobBrit and everyone was able to see, that Goblins were wasting their working time playing on abacuses lying on the donkey’s back instead of wathing the traffic on the road, they were pooing on the middle of the street, they were living in hundreds in one cave and they weren’t washing themselves. What worse, they were wearing silly moustaches, weren’t able to speak HobBritish and there were overall stupid, unwashed Goblins who stinks of ■■■■. Even if not, it doasn’t matter, it was like that, EOT. Yet still they were prefered by the HobBritish employers for unknown reason. HobBritish folk went angry as they seen that the Cyclop is doing nothing to prevent it. “He, and our employers, must be under influence of some spell made by the Wizards” decided folks and the bravest of them decided to take the Magic Ring of Wizards, which has power over them, and throw it to the vulcano. Soon the team was established and they were called “BNP” which stays for “Brave and Naughty Pals”.
Do you think I have a good feeling how it will look?
orys:
Do you think I have a good feeling how it will look?
Spot on
Take it easy too, as your English is improving you’re starting to make the rest of us look bad !
Righto Orys, I can’t be bothered to do the quote thing to your extensive response to my previous post, the lazy British part of me I suppose perhaps there’s a pole out there who will do it for minimum wage 
When I say colonisation I meant only the part where the ‘foreigner’ takes all the good & then clears off when there’s nothing left to gain & that is what is happening now with SOME of your eastern brethren. It wasn’t fair when we, the British, did it to the Indians etc & it isn’t fair now, but I see where you’re coming from because it’s also not fair that the Polish people should have to live in relative poverty because of where they were born, nobody has a choice in that matter & lets face it, all that differentiates a person’s race is a line on a map, no it’s not a fair world we live in, every man/woman/child be equal, but they tried that, I think it was called Communism & it wasn’t a great success, partly because human nature dictates that the stronger amongst us get a bigger share of the kill.
As I said at the beginning of this thread, I don’t think it’s right that immigrants should be shown the door as soon as things take a downturn & if I was in a position where I had to reduce my staff it would be done on merit, I would keep the best workers no matter what their nationality was, if that meant that all my Brits were out then so be it.
orys:
Teofilakt Symokatta describes capturing Slavs near Constantinopol (today: Istabul) AD 592, they told that they are coming from “North Ocean” (today: Baltic See)
Anonimus know as “the Gall” describes the Piast’s dynasty, who took power after the King Popiel and they were ruling Poles (then: Polans) for most of IX and X century
ok lets talk facts.
i’ll have to take your word about the slavs at constantinople, but when i studied Byzantine history the north ocean was the black sea, not the baltic sea
Gallus Anonymus describes the piasts dynasty which is much later than when Theophylact Simocatta was writing about slavs being captured, 300 to 350 years i think.
in AD 592 there were slavs from thessalonika all the way up to the black sea and beyond, the polans at timewhere a slav tribe in what is now the ukraine.
check it if you want, read up on John of Epiphania, thats who Theophylact Simocatta copied all of his earlier history from because he was writing around AD630 not AD592.
newmercman:
Righto Orys, I can’t be bothered to do the quote thing to your extensive response to my previous post, the lazy British part of me I suppose
How much will you pay me?
When I say colonisation I meant only the part where the ‘foreigner’ takes all the good & then clears off when there’s nothing left to gain & that is what is happening now with SOME of your eastern brethren. It wasn’t fair when we, the British, did it to the Indians etc & it isn’t fair now, but I see where you’re coming from because it’s also not fair that the Polish people should have to live in relative poverty because of where they were born, nobody has a choice in that matter & lets face it, all that differentiates a person’s race is a line on a map, no it’s not a fair world we live in, every man/woman/child be equal, but they tried that, I think it was called Communism & it wasn’t a great success, partly because human nature dictates that the stronger amongst us get a bigger share of the kill.
We agree in most of that things. Difference between colonialism and common market is that Indians in America had no chance to get the cowboy’s jobs, while British can do all jobs done by Poles, but they simply wanted more money for it.
As I said at the beginning of this thread, I don’t think it’s right that immigrants should be shown the door as soon as things take a downturn & if I was in a position where I had to reduce my staff it would be done on merit, I would keep the best workers no matter what their nationality was, if that meant that all my Brits were out then so be it.
I am not understanding one thing: I think, that being British in Britain is an advantage on it’s own, so I think if you will keep best workers many of them just have to be British…
biggusdickusgb:
ok lets talk facts.
i’ll have to take your word about the slavs at constantinople, but when i studied Byzantine history the north ocean was the black sea, not the baltic sea
That can be me, I readed that in Polish and it may translate to English differently. But it’s clearly marked that they meant Baltic Sea. You can check that on Polish Wikipedia, it’s also there (but I took it from a book).
Gallus Anonymus describes the piasts dynasty which is much later than when Theophylact Simocatta was writing about slavs being captured, 300 to 350 years i think.
That’s what I meant. About AD 800-900.
in AD 592 there were slavs from thessalonika all the way up to the black sea and beyond, the polans at timewhere a slav tribe in what is now the ukraine.
I know is that before the Piasts dynasty there were no “Poles”, it was rather many smaller tribes arround and Polanie were one of them. According to Wikipedia and it’s about the same what I know, Polanie were living in Wielkopolska (arround PoznaÅ„ now) and their most important places were Giecz and Kalisz.
I recon that you have really good knowledge on that. I was never studying history and apart of my high school education and some books I read myself I don’t know too much about this period.
ive no problem with them other than the ■■■■■■■■ that they all work harder, our poles , germans, hungarian or what ever certainly dont, theyll go from one end of the o/t list to the other to get the shortest run, right down a list of jobs they want , can do , normally the shortest run. ask if they can go home after doing a 3 hr run.
no sorry to me its a myth in our industry at least they work harder , to me there work ethics are like most of ours , the least work for the most pay.
think they give that illusion when they 1 st came but there now showing there true colours
orys:
it was rather many smaller tribes arround and Polanie were one of them
you got it right there orys, the polonie were a northern/western tribe, the polans were a southern tribe in the south of whats now the ukraine
orys:
‘…These are not rules, these are recommendation…’
More accurately, it’s European law that some Mickey Mouse nations seem to pick & chose at their discretion …though I appreciate that I understated the legalislative impart by calling them ‘rules’: The presence of Euro-laws supposedly favouring the whole of Europe ahead of individual member nations is at the nub of this thread argument …despite us trucking-into Brussels millions of ££’s more than we draw per day.
orys:
‘…you even drive on the wrong side of the road compared to the rest…’
Wrong? Let’s see: As right handedness has predominated amongst Britons for centuries, we controlled our horses with our left hand which permits the greater control required to ‘pass’ on the highway right to right thus using our swords to defend against or attack vagabonds with the stronger & more dextrous right hand. The motorisation of our emergent roads continued the cultural norm thus introduced.
(LHD? I’ve no idea how it’s justified - something to do with self-abusive right-handed habits perhaps - otherwise why save ones dominant right limb for the really difficult task of changing gear? It inconsiderately leaves the non-dominant left hand to control a vehicle - even during a sudden tyre blowout should it simultaneously occur with a gearchange …which aint safe! (- and assuming that today’s numpty instinctively knows how to control a tyre blowout with either hand beyond shutting ones eyes and screaming ‘…ooerr, nurse…’).
Europe? Why? …we’re an island nation surrounded by a naturally wet boundary both full of our fish & to keep job-stealing scoundrels out.
Happy Keith:
Wrong? Let’s see: As right handedness has predominated amongst Britons for centuries, we controlled our horses with our left hand which permits the greater control required to ‘pass’ on the highway right to right thus using our swords to defend against or attack vagabonds with the stronger & more dextrous right hand. The motorisation of our emergent roads continued the cultural norm thus introduced.
(LHD? I’ve no idea how it’s justified - something to do with self-abusive right-handed habits perhaps - otherwise why save ones dominant right limb for the really difficult task of changing gear? It inconsiderately leaves the non-dominant left hand to control a vehicle - even during a sudden tyre blowout should it simultaneously occur with a gearchange …which aint safe! (- and assuming that today’s numpty instinctively knows how to control a tyre blowout with either hand beyond shutting ones eyes and screaming ‘…ooerr, nurse…’).
Wrong = other then most. Don’t take it too serious.
Left hand drive in Europe came about because Napolean was a cag hand and had a complex. I have no idea whether it’s true or not but I liked the story and it makes about as much sense as any other explanation.
tofer:
Left hand drive in Europe came about because Napolean was a cag hand and had a complex. I have no idea whether it’s true or not but I liked the story and it makes about as much sense as any other explanation.
I also heard that version.
I also heard another one, that first cars had driving wheel on the right, so people in some countries started to drive on the right to get off straight onto the shoulder instead of to the middle of the road, but when traffic becomed bigger, they moved steering wheel to the left to make overtaking easier…