So I guess you will be moving to another forum http://forum.researchinfo.com/ 
bubsy06:
So I guess you will be moving to another forum http://forum.researchinfo.com/
Rather not. Itâs boring. Trucking will still be my hobby 
hi, lost my job 2 weeks ago(so what) replaced by a n other who comes from a n other country, but he was willing to work for ÂŁ2,50 an hour less than me and do 24 hour shifts(penrith-darlington tip-penrith-turriff-newark,tip-penrith,load,finish) do i feel bitter 
you bet i do,
do i want to retrain NO WAY, i just want to what i am trained at for a fair wage, but where i was at a few eu came then their mates, then wives they all came from the same village and ended looking out for each other,(just as we would in their place) i agree, but there has to be a stopping point, like why dont they go home and retrain,â â 
yungnad:
:o hi, lost my job 2 weeks ago(so what) replaced by a n other who comes from a n other country, but he was willing to work for ÂŁ2,50 an hour less than me and do 24 hour shifts(penrith-darlington tip-penrith-turriff-newark,tip-penrith,load,finish) do i feel bitter
do i want to retrain NO WAY, i just want to what i am trained at for a fair wage, but where i was at a few eu came then their mates, then wives they all came from the same village and ended looking out for each other,(just as we would in their place) i agree, but there has to be a stopping point, like why dont they go home and retrain,â â
Feel sorry for you, but that brings some questions to me:
- why they are willing to work for 2.50 less than you if they can earn the same wage?
- if they are able to work for 2.50 less than you and can survive why Britâs can?
But, off course, there is no point for anyone to work for less than decent wage
In my world it should be like that:
I am coming to your country and I am willing to work for the same money you working. So only if I am better than you I have chance to find a job. That way British transport industry getâs only few best polish drivers, Britâs arenât in danger of loosing their jobs to some poor drivers who would like to work for pennies and there is also no drainage of polish workers back in Poland, as only best few can get jobs here.
But itâs only a wish 
bubsy06:
Suedehead:
alamcculloch:
We cant just deport people.âWe cant just deport peopleâ. . . .why cant we?
Oh , silly me . . . Human rightsAnd we are part of Europe which should never of happened. If god wanted us to be part of europe he would of joined us to it.
Thatâs what we are about innitâŚ
Words from the Vicars sons own mouth!!!
We should send the drivers back and the one who Killed the family (in the news recently) should be mailed back in a bodybag!!
We BRITISH drivers cannot get f/t work as a result of all of them being here!! 
Mad dan:
We BRITISH drivers cannot get f/t work as a result of all of them being here!!
I dare to tell that polish drivers (who in fact are returning home in many cases) wonât do too much difference in your current economical climate⌠
You have to wonder if we had employed workers that live and spend all their money in the uk would have helped our economy slightly in this present climate.
If many workers saved up their wages and sent them back home this would explain why their economy is booming now ?
AND before we get the Auf Wiedersehn point about English brickies going to Europe in the past Iâm sure there was nowhere near the amount went there.
You only have to drive to Peterboroughski !!! 
orys:
Mad dan:
We BRITISH drivers cannot get f/t work as a result of all of them being here!!I dare to tell that polish drivers (who in fact are returning home in many cases) wonât do too much difference in your current economical climateâŚ
Freedom of speechâŚNo problem I will tell the lot of them especially of it helps to get our drivers bums on seats, that is the trouble with this Country we are all thinking it well the majority of us are but nobody has the bottle to stand up and say it. The French and Greeks have proved they have solidarityâŚDo we??
MrReliable:
You have to wonder if we had employed workers that live and spend all their money in the uk would have helped our economy slightly in this present climate.
If many workers saved up their wages and sent them back home this would explain why their economy is booming now ?
AND before we get the Auf Wiedersehn point about English brickies going to Europe in the past Iâm sure there was nowhere near the amount went there.
You only have to drive to Peterboroughski !!!
I already explained, that you canât send all money earned home. There is no such thing that Poles are sending all their money home and their families are sedning them parcels with food, clothches, fuel and electricity
So it was proved, even in this thread that they are always paying something into the economy - from taxes starting, at sweets and cinema tickets ending.
Apart of that: why you think that sending some saved money home by Eastern Europeans is bad while in the same time 1000s of Brits having their second homes in spain and other sunny countries, spending a lot time and money there? They are pumping money earned in UK outside as well (not want to mention Hamilton, whoâs residency in Switzerland costs UK much more than savings send back home of 1000s european workers)
And maybe it will be a suprise to you, but money sent back from UK, altough is profitable for Polish economy, isnât a main factor of boom in our country. Constant progress was seen long time before we even joined the EU.
And as for Peterborouhg: I donât know if you remember that documentary movie made by BBC about year ago or something. There were a journalist asking people to take up the jobs made by Poles for 7.35 per hours in the field. English NEDs were just laughing at them. In the same time they were moaning about Poles stealing their jobs.
I bet that if they would will to do that work, the English farmers would prefere good English workers than some strange guys from other end of Europe who canât speak any English also shown in that movie. And if they would have to compete with decent, native British workers, there would be no longer a good business for these Poles, who in most cases have to run two households and travel home very often for the same amount of money than their British peers are earningâŚ
Mad dan:
Freedom of speechâŚNo problem I will tell the lot of them especially of it helps to get our drivers bums on seats, that is the trouble with this Country we are all thinking it well the majority of us are but nobody has the bottle to stand up and say it. The French and Greeks have proved they have solidarityâŚDo we??
Actually, the French were observing British work market and decided that to allow eastern europenians to work in France is benefitiary for them and they allowed Poles to work there eariler than they planned 
I was trying not to get into this post but just two impartial observations.
A common answer for foreign workers is that they are contributing to the UK system through paying taxes etc. yes they are but for every foreign worker paying taxes there is a potential british worker on the dole that we are paying for, so I guess that more than cancels out any benefit to the economy. British employers should have to offer the jobs to british nationals first, then if none are found or suitable (the job seeker can challenge this criteria) the position can be opened to other European workers. British Jobs for British workers as our one eyed leader said" and has subsequently done nothing about"
A few have posted on this thread regarding losing their job and a foreign worker being taken on to replace them. This constitutes unfair dismissal and you should speak to :- The Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) offers free, confidential and impartial advice on all employment rights issues. You can call the Acas helpline on 08457 47 47 47 from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm Monday to Friday.
The one whinge I have is the Eastern European shops in our high streets that only have signs in Polish etc. and polish speaking staff. By all means have a Polish store selling polish food stuffs but donât alienate the natives !!
hmm im needing work of some sort real bad now. im actually about to just give up altogether.
ORYS SAID :
I already explained, that you canât send all money earned home. There is no such thing that Poles are sending all their money home and their families are sedning them parcels with food, clothches, fuel and electricity
No but do they buy anything other than food and clothes?
So it was proved, even in this thread that they are always paying something into the economy - from taxes starting, at sweets and cinema tickets ending.
They donât buy houses or put roots down
Apart of that: why you think that sending some saved money home by Eastern Europeans is bad while in the same time 1000s of Brits having their second homes in spain and other sunny countries, spending a lot time and money there? They are pumping money earned in UK outside as well (not want to mention Hamilton, whoâs residency in Switzerland costs UK much more than savings send back home of 1000s european workers)
The bubble is about to burst in Spain this year with the Euro so high people will not be able to afford to holiday abroad, this will hit people with second homes there who lose rental income and may even lose their homes in Spain
And maybe it will be a suprise to you, but money sent back from UK, altough is profitable for Polish economy, isnât a main factor of boom in our country. Constant progress was seen long time before we even joined the EU.
No the money sent home started the ball rolling, funny how everyone wants to join the EU to claim subsidies while the sensible thing for the UK to do would be to leave.
And as for Peterborouhg: I donât know if you remember that documentary movie made by BBC about year ago or something. There were a journalist asking people to take up the jobs made by Poles for 7.35 per hours in the field. English NEDs were just laughing at them. In the same time they were moaning about Poles stealing their jobs.
The way this Industry is going we will all be stood in fields this year doing these very jobs, or working in supermarkets for better rates than driving trucks
I bet that if they would will to do that work, the English farmers would prefere good English workers than some strange guys from other end of Europe who canât speak any English also shown in that movie. And if they would have to compete with decent, native British workers, there would be no longer a good business for these Poles, who in most cases have to run two households and travel home very often for the same amount of money than their British peers are earningâŚ
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Iâm not directing this at Poles it is well known that foreign workers who are here short term do rent houses and then move a minibus load of mates in. My Mate found this out to his horror last November
dailymail.co.uk/news/article ⌠ilies.html
So Orys you still say that foreign workers donât send much money home â â ?
Then all you need to ad to this figure is Child Benefit they can claim.
N2N Transport:
I was trying not to get into this post but just two impartial observations.A common answer for foreign workers is that they are contributing to the UK system through paying taxes etc. yes they are but for every foreign worker paying taxes there is a potential british worker on the dole that we are paying for, so I guess that more than cancels out any benefit to the economy.
Wrong. There for sure are some people uneployed becouse of Eastern Europeans, but most of them are doing jobs which the mighty Brit wonât touch anyway (see my recent example: market research interviewer. If there is such bad crisis and if there is oportunity to earn about 8 quids per hour why they have problems to find workers? I bet that if there will be real competition I would not have a chance to get that job due to my poor english and unknowledge of british lifestyle and commons)
British employers should have to offer the jobs to british nationals first, then if none are found or suitable (the job seeker can challenge this criteria) the position can be opened to other European workers. British Jobs for British workers as our one eyed leader said" and has subsequently done nothing about"
That is the solution, but it should work both ways. For example: properties in south France sold to French people first then if no-one interested offer may be taken by British people. I read in The Times once that vawe of Brits buying properties there caused situation that no local French young people are able to buy a house as prices are winded up by British demand.
You have to decide wether you want to be a part of world economy or not. You canât pick what is good for you and ban whatâs not goes well for British folk. I know you are used to that during centuries of British Empire, but this time is already finished long time ago. Today you are a part of world multinational system and not a ruler. You have to accept that with all its ups and downs or you can try isolate Britain from the rest of the world and follow your ideas. Thatâs what North Corea is doing, you can try, maybe youâll be able to gain better reulsts?
A few have posted on this thread regarding losing their job and a foreign worker being taken on to replace them. This constitutes unfair dismissal and you should speak to :- The Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) offers free, confidential and impartial advice on all employment rights issues. You can call the Acas helpline on 08457 47 47 47 from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm Monday to Friday.
I fully agree. I am against unfair practices of employers, as it affects all of us. All illegal activities should be reported.
I have also an idea that dumping rates should be banned. If you are offering your services for much less than average in the area you should be ignored. That would create market of real skills, not just a war of âwho will drive for lessâ. I would be able to drive 60 hours per week for 250 pounds if it would be required and I bet most of you would do when there will be some heavy crisis, or natural disaster etc, but as much as any other of you I would NOT doing that in normam circumnstances.
The one whinge I have is the Eastern European shops in our high streets that only have signs in Polish etc. and polish speaking staff. By all means have a Polish store selling polish food stuffs but donât alienate the natives !!
But donât you have any problems with shops selling Indian clotches or mosques at every corner?
I think itâs nothing wrong in creating shops for minorities, but I think itâs much better if they are helping to integrate rather than alienate. There is a shop on Glasgow West End called Polish Taste, they are selling polish delicatessen and top range product and I know the owner. He told me that nearly half of his customers are Brits. I think such thing is good, especially if it fits in area character (you can find a couple of other deli shops arround - japanese, italian etc.) That enriches your culture.
22 pages of utter pish⌠and on it goes
MrReliable:
No but do they buy anything other than food and clothes?
As I live here I have second car (never had polish car here with me), TV set, some furniture, I was using plenty of times B&B services in North Scotland, I bought many books and CDs (just came home with a Tarkovskiâs Solaris today - 9 pounds in used CD shop), I am often buying a plane tickets with airport charges and taxis (I bet that much more often than most of you), sometimes ferry tickets from Dover, I am using much fuel, I am fully insured with a breakdown cover, I am eating and going out from time to time, I am paying for my telephones (two mobiles + landline + broadband), TV license etc. I am not buying a home here, as I donât want to stay here for live, but thatâs mean that I am paying few hundreds each month to my scottish private landlord. Among my friends 3 couples (one mixed - scottish-polish) already bought a houses here.
Enaugh?
They donât buy houses or put roots down
As I just mentioned they are.
The bubble is about to burst in Spain this year with the Euro so high people will not be able to afford to holiday abroad, this will hit people with second homes there who lose rental income and may even lose their homes in Spain
So what in the subject we are discussing here?
No the money sent home started the ball rolling, funny how everyone wants to join the EU to claim subsidies while the sensible thing for the UK to do would be to leave.
Itâs funny that you are talking about that. Itâs true that UK as a one of most richest countries pays more than it recieves but I bet you havenât knew that Poland, after it joined EC was paying more than it recieved for first year as well?
Now we are getting some subsides, but it will end in 2011 as Romanians and Bulgarians are next in the queueâŚ
The way this Industry is going we will all be stood in fields this year doing these very jobs, or working in supermarkets for better rates than driving trucks
Yeah. I already did that, quitted trucking and started other job. I would prefere trucking if I could, but as I canât, I am taking whatâs available instead of moaning and blaming everyone arround. Maybe itâs this attitude a reason why employers are prefering eastern europeans?
Iâm not directing this at Poles it is well known that foreign workers who are here short term do rent houses and then move a minibus load of mates in. My Mate found this out to his horror last November
During my âcareerâ in Scotland I was only once sharing a flat. There were two Scots there and they took another one to live in Living room to âput the bills downâ. Luckily I moved out just week after that and I avoided the row which occused when landlord found it outâŚ
Itâs true that some seasonal workers are sharing a flats to put costs down - itâs exactly the same what a british student studying in my native city Medical University were doing.
As long as they are OK with the law (multiple occupancy) I am OK with that. If not - catch them up and deport them. If they canât behave and obid the laws of their new country they not deserve to be here.
MrReliable:
Poles working in Britain send home record ÂŁ1.8bn to their families | Daily Mail Online
So Orys you still say that foreign workers donât send much money home â â ?
I never said that. What I said was two things:
- Money they sending is not the only factor boosting Polish economy
- If they wouldnât be here, UK economy would be much weaker. Check that:
ukinvest.gov.uk/OurWorld/100114/en-GB.html
Focus on this part:
Openness benefits the economy
In Europe, only the UK, Sweden and Ireland have let these workers in without restrictions.
All three countries had subsequently experienced âhigh economic growth, a drop of unemployment and a rise of employmentâ said the report.
If it would be as you claim, the unemployed rate would rise drasticly suddenly after Poland entered EC. And as you can see it dropped down.
Why? Becouse Poles, working here at low paid jobs which in other case would stay vacant created new workplaces. Example? Let say for instance 1000 Polish farm workers entered Britain. They are working on farms. Farmers were struggling for years to find seasonal workers and now they have cheap labour. They can harvest more, paying less to their workers (as they are Polish) and invest in improvements of their farms. As there is more harvest instead of, say, 10 lorries of grain they delivered 12 lorries of grain. Also more bread is needed to feed these Poles. Some nice English girls created employment agency and providing other employers with work of these Poles. Some of them decided to stay, so there have to be more teachers, more doctors and more hoses has to be builded. Etc etc. I bet you are getting me.
Now: where is the problem?
All this lazy people who were not interested in undertaking such jobs and prefered to sit on benefits remain unchanged. But there were more unemployed who lost their jobs due to being replaced by cheaper and/or better Poles. But as long as economy is growing they have no problem to find a job.
But now we got a crisis. Number of vacancies dropped suddenly while there is more people in UK than there was few years ago. British workers, just the same who were talking two years ago âI would never touch such job in my lifeâ suddenly finding this jobs attractive, as there is nothing else in the market. They are demanding to send Poles back. But, come in, itâs not a problem with seasonal workers but many people are planted a roots here, bought houses etc. You canât just tell them âok, we donât need you any more, get lostâ. Itâs not even about being fair for them, itâs just that when in two years economy will be back on track and youâll need cheap labour again noone will like to come here when it will be known that here you do not respect his rights⌠And then without supply of cheap labour, which is required in each modern country, you will start loosing competition with the other countries. Itâs for your own good. Poles will manage. Nowadays only Germany and Austria not allowing Polish Workers, unlike 5 years ago when only UK, Ireland and Sweden opened for themâŚ
Then all you need to ad to this figure is Child Benefit they can claim.
As someone posted once on this forum about 30% of Brits claiming a benefits while only few percent of Poles claim something. And you have to add that you donât have polish pensioners, sick people etc. here and these are ones who costs the social system most. So statistically speaking british benefit thieves costs you more than all benefits paid to Poles (decent and cheating toghether).
hi, well thats it youve rattled me cage, in my case the beef i had was, i packed a job in to take up one where i was paid ÂŁ8.50 basic plus bonuses and o/t and nights out,and not one local driver would take the job, i collected blood, offal, bones, skins, fish guts, salmon skins, if it stunk we picked it up,
overloaded with midges at summer, but when the poles came they worked for ÂŁ6.00 ph, straight through, no bonuses,and weekended in the cab,(no digs to pay),on 3/4 night out money for 5 nights.
the owner,whom i never met, saw this as a way to beat rising costs and exploited it, creating two wage structures, in fact in the pay offs more brits went than poles.
so even though some poles were great workmates and i miss them the only way to compete(and thats what i read between the lines) is to do the same to them, no chance its game over,and i,m too long in the tooth to pay someone to let me drive their wagon bz,
anyhow thats my complaint, an i cant see any one changing my point view,
i will work for less but not just to put another driver on the dole queue, can anyone see my point,â â ?
(an i have clean licence with 2 company awards,for safe driving,)not this company, so ya boo â â â â â
ive just read all of this, i had my own construction company but lost it to the polish. There was no way i could compete, they were deliberatly undercutting me, by thousands, resulting in me going bankrupt and laying off 8 full timers who had wifes and kids.
It gets better i even had one of there clients approach me to put there work right. Ive sat next to a polish man in the jobcentre, 4got to sign on 2 days before, he walked out with cash. Orys how to you think us typical British man feels about the influx of foriegners in our country exploiting us by working for less!
You can quote all you like, but in the real world its not like that, you know it, i know it.
But to balance it up, i broke a disc in my neck over 2 years ago, was rushed into atkinson morely hospital, my surgeon was a lovely man, took care of mem and yet he was polish, came to this country to get qualified, fantastic man. Good and bad in all walks fellas. The government and the bankers got us into this mess, we should never of joined the eu, this country is to soft, we help everybody else out but who helps us.
Orys before you disect this and quote this and that, im not having a direct go at you, im just telling you wot it is like in the real world, quotes and figures are not worth crap mate.
How you can justify foriegn lorries coming over here, not paying taxes, putting our drivers out of work is beyond me. Id love to see the Great put back into Britian, its not going to happen i dont think. I feel so sorry for my kids.
Rant over