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muckles:
Goaty:
Wheel Nut:
I like to read the stories from Orys as he shows a great sense of humour and understanding of our country, but as this thread started as a total zenophobic post again anyone distinctly Eastern European or who doesn’t hail from Norfolk or East Anglia.
I presume you mean our friend with the fondness of the big V and not those of us bumpkins with a balanced mind ?
Yep but he doesn’t hail from those parts himself, he’s already said he originally came from Peckham, but decided to invade us poor buggers.
I did try to apologise to the normal inhabitants of Anglia. Isnt that a Polish word for England 
greg50:
i did mean to say they had joined the eu.but the falling of the berlin wall was the begining of the eastern bloc countries jioning the euTo be correct with history: they were coming a lot in 80s here. When the Berlin Wall fell, the things in Poland improved radically, so there were no significant emigration from Poland in 90s. After Poland joined EC and becomed part of unificated european work market, mass emigration started as it wasn’t any longer complicated thing to do.
Without going back to the history lessons already discussed on page 7 or 8 or rereading the 1918 Treaty of Versailes. Surely the falling of the Berlin Wall in 1989 only signified the reunification of Germany.
I understand the Polish border was slightly altered to follow the natural watercouse of the Oder - Neisse line between the reformed GDR and Poland in 1990 but it took another 14 years until the EU welcomed Poland as a member.
Wheel Nut:
I understand the Polish border was slightly altered to follow the natural watercouse of the Oder - Neisse line between the reformed GDR and Poland in 1990
Yeah, we gained few acres of the bog 
We, the conquerors…
Wheel Nut:
scaniav8power:
Wheel Nut:
I dont think anyone, on these forums or elswhere is saying that illegal activity is to be condoned. If a driver whether, Polish, British, West African or Martian commits an offence then the full weight of the law should be used against them.The Government is planning to give police new powers to issue on-the-spot fines to foreign drivers caught committing traffic offences.
This quote highlights the archaic rules that we still have in the UK. Any driver who works abroad will be used to the system, a driver who cannot provide a current home address in that country will have to pay a fine or bond at the roadside.
I am pleased that we are in the EU, this allows me to go and work in any EU country of my choice without excessive bureaucracy. I also like the fact that people can move around the community to marry, go shopping and follow their sport.
In all these 17 or 18 pages, no one seems to complain that their favourite football team has just signed someone called Allajeh Joof or Pitchou N’Ganga. Is it because the English are just crap at playing sport? or is it because they were cheaper?
The NHS rely on the rest of the world for supplying it with staff. I have been treated with respect by a Cuban doctor treating me daily in a free hospital for almost 6 months. This hospital was not funded by the NHS either.
I like to read the stories from Orys as he shows a great sense of humour and understanding of our country, but as this thread started as a total zenophobic post again anyone distinctly Eastern European or who doesn’t hail from Norfolk or East Anglia. I would hate so see it degenerate into a personalised attack or witchhunt against one man who is obviously very proud of his own country, his adopted country & proud of the fact he is educated, proud of the fact that he is also earning a small living with a part time job.
limp wristed liberal yoghurt knitter!
And your contribution to these 18 pages of crap is what?
Sorry. I must have missed your diary about your last trip to Poland.
oooooh oooooh i love a bite! why do i need a diary? i so love it when people get tetchy! xxxxxxxxxxx
orys think on this,when i ran to poland in 1996 we used to use a small border in germany called swedt oder just north of berlin,we parked the night at a holding park till the morning before crossing the border.the park was full of your countrymen taking back smashed up cars to poland for repair,ok some of them were not to bad but others had most of the front caved in,your folk where obviously doing what we call cut and shut using 2 halves of different cars to make 1,in the uk this is illegal,so i reckon if you checked some of the cars poles bring over here they would be cut and shut and should be crushed,and another thing if you are so poor over there where has the money come from to buy these cars and at the time pay the customs duty? ive seen your folk with wads of notes paying up,got money for cars ■■? but thats all is it?
goaty my friend are you working at the moment
At the end of the day, we are all humans trying to survive on this planet, and lest we forget…we are all equal…but…
In order to survive, we need to earn money, and to earn, we need to work, and for companies to pay our wages …they need to earn also…so when a british driver, refuses to work for a ■■■■ company, because the pay is low, the work is crap, and a foreigner turn up for that same job, should that foreigner be refused that job because of his nationality…of course not, and if you believe that he should be…you are ignorant of the facts.
The Bosses of construction sites also employ loads of foreign labour, to be able to compete with their competitors by keeping costs down, and its no different in transport.
Hauliers are to blame for the downturn in this industry, and im sorry for the ones who go to the wall, but in this world its the fittest who survive. How i laughed years ago when i saw TDG buying up all the smaller companies, but paying their own staff peanuts, look at them now..how many people talked about steady eddieand how they could never work for a company like them, with drivers grassing each other up for not wearing a tie..now drivers are climbing over each other to join them.. If you are out of work, you cannot blame theforeigners, they are legally entitled to be here, and to work here, with or without their vehicles, annoying as it is, to see foreign companies pulling out of the docks with containers, tilts, and trailers of all descriptions, should we blame johnny foreignerof course not, they never made the rules, their vehicles do not havelong vehicle p[lates, or spray supression equipment, or even in some cases, side marker lights, and thats because they dont need them in their own countries. we hear of many stories of how the eastern bloc drivers obtain their licences, by taking a test on a tractor and trailer, well it may not be to our liking, but its allowed in poland, and also bear in mind, that there are a lot of drivers working today who have never taken a test, and im one of them.
Our government, and our systems are to take a lot of the blame for the demise of this once great industry, but do not blame the people who are doing the work, for without the foreign work coming into this country, we could be a lot worse off, for our economy at least earns taxation from these companies importing foreign goods, and a lot of the goods are for the eastern bloc people living here, amongst the hordes of other nationalities here also.
So if you want to slag anyone off…do it to the people who made the rules, who is ruining this country, who has sold us down the river to europe, and leaving us reliant on the brussels muppets who are unelected and yet have almost full control of our own destiny.
JUST go on euro work my friend then you may get the drift of what im sayin the post is european haulage rates look what alan jblack as quoted
V8 Passion:
JUST go on euro work my friend then you may get the drift of what im sayin the post is european haulage rates look what alan jblack as quoted
and you think just having British firms operating will stop people undercutting each other on rates? 
V8 Passion:
goaty my friend are you working at the moment
Not on a weekend, why do you ask ol’ billy ?
well goaty i was reading through your posts and you dont seem to have much work on at the moment is it through choice or lack of work in your area,
Ah, ya got me ! No I enjoy painting,decorating and putting up shelves.
I presume you don’t get to Fxt or Ipswich much or you wouldn’t need to ask.
I am always open to offers of business especially as my current set of customers are dead at present.
One that pays a sensible rate and actually settles the invoice at the agreed date. 
orys:
V8 Passion:
tell me orys whats the requirements of LGV maintance for a polish haulier because some i see around dont look like they have been looked at or washed for several months.
Off course, all british lorries are shiny and well maintentanded.
One of the reasons for this has already been discussed ie:- eu grants for accession countries paid for by existing members eg:- uk hauliers who did not get the same type of incentives to join the E.U
Goaty:
:shock: Ah, ya got me ! No I enjoy painting,decorating and putting up shelves.
I presume you don’t get to Fxt or Ipswich much or you wouldn’t need to ask.
I am always open to offers of business especially as my current set of customers are dead at present.
One that pays a sensible rate and actually settles the invoice at the agreed date.
doesnt it ■■■■ you off that a lot of the big players down your way are using foreigners 7asset, wincanton, turners etc not to mention the smaller people that use them or dont you care that they are doing your work,
orys:
V8 Passion:
if the truth be outed perhaps orys woud like to explain to those who are fairly new to this forum why in his recent thread regaring a job in glasgow why he states he cant work full time, ■■?
No problem mate. It’s not a secret.
I am in full time university education at University of Glasgow where I am studying languages and Central and East Europenian Studies. During the teaching period I have my classes every day from Monday to Thursday, so I am available for work only in Fridays and Weekends.
I am sure that it will put the new light on our conversation
Just one correction to this Orys
The Scottish Parliament gets ALL of its money from the budget of the U.K government and has made several contentious decisions including the funding of students at university and free medical prescriptions which are not available to the general public of the U.K incidentally the largest financial contributor.( The system for deciding Scottish grants has been exposed as being blatantly unfair as the payment to the Scottish parliament per head is far higher than to English citizens despite English citizens contributing most )
So whilst not criticizing you in the slightest you have benefited from the generosity of the English who do not benefit from the same rules despite paying for most of it.
On the subject of driving licences I was informed by Polish drivers who worked for a friend of mine (yes they were exploited) that truck licences were given for towing a trailer with a farm tractor.
On the subject of Immigrant workers living here I deliver Fresh Produce all over the U.K and see many places where immigrant workers are living in caravans and bunk houses on the farms etc where they work. These people are here to earn money I know but are generally paid low wages (exploitation)
and are not contributing to U.K p.l.c other than under-funded tax and N.I but take out of the system in tax credits and family allowance payments.
Good luck to you in your studies and I wish you well, you defend your countrymen well and they should be proud of you. Every person is entitled to their opinion and I realise that it is easy for people to get upset when the going gets tough and relate anecdotal evidence but you also have to put yourself in their position if times were reversed. Whilst I accept that many accidents involving foreign trucks are caused by the car driver involved the number of incidents involving foreign trucks in Kent and around the M25 is unacceptable, after all when U.K hauliers travelled more extensively to the continent you did not see trails of French and Belgian cars smashed at the side of the road.
annitram:
orys:
V8 Passion:
if the truth be outed perhaps orys woud like to explain to those who are fairly new to this forum why in his recent thread regaring a job in glasgow why he states he cant work full time, ■■?No problem mate. It’s not a secret.
I am in full time university education at University of Glasgow where I am studying languages and Central and East Europenian Studies. During the teaching period I have my classes every day from Monday to Thursday, so I am available for work only in Fridays and Weekends.
I am sure that it will put the new light on our conversation
Just one correction to this Orys
The Scottish Parliament gets ALL of its money from the budget of the U.K government and has made several contentious decisions including the funding of students at university and free medical prescriptions which are not available to the general public of the U.K incidentally the largest financial contributor.( The system for deciding Scottish grants has been exposed as being blatantly unfair as the payment to the Scottish parliament per head is far higher than to English citizens despite English citizens contributing most )
So whilst not criticizing you in the slightest you have benefited from the generosity of the English who do not benefit from the same rules despite paying for most of it.On the subject of driving licences I was informed by Polish drivers who worked for a friend of mine (yes they were exploited) that truck licences were given for towing a trailer with a farm tractor.
On the subject of Immigrant workers living here I deliver Fresh Produce all over the U.K and see many places where immigrant workers are living in caravans and bunk houses on the farms etc where they work. These people are here to earn money I know but are generally paid low wages (exploitation)
and are not contributing to U.K p.l.c other than under-funded tax and N.I but take out of the system in tax credits and family allowance payments.Good luck to you in your studies and I wish you well, you defend your countrymen well and they should be proud of you. Every person is entitled to their opinion and I realise that it is easy for people to get upset when the going gets tough and relate anecdotal evidence but you also have to put yourself in their position if times were reversed. Whilst I accept that many accidents involving foreign trucks are caused by the car driver involved the number of incidents involving foreign trucks in Kent and around the M25 is unacceptable, after all when U.K hauliers travelled more extensively to the continent you did not see trails of French and Belgian cars smashed at the side of the road.
It’s ridiculous that a student from The E.U. can get a free University Education in Scotland but someone from England,N.I. or Wales has to pay if they want to go to University here. 
Prescription charges are currently £5 per item,think you’re getting confused with Wales where charges were abolished.
ken57:
orys think on this,when i ran to poland in 1996 we used to use a small border in germany called swedt oder just north of berlin,we parked the night at a holding park till the morning before crossing the border.the park was full of your countrymen taking back smashed up cars to poland for repair,ok some of them were not to bad but others had most of the front caved in,your folk where obviously doing what we call cut and shut using 2 halves of different cars to make 1,in the uk this is illegal,so i reckon if you checked some of the cars poles bring over here they would be cut and shut and should be crushed
Yes, that’s true. There was that problem in the past. Now such cars are no longer legal and if you build the car from parts of other cars you have to pass very strict test, some kind of ultra-MOT. But yes, that’s true, there have to be such cars still, as the law can’t work backwards and if you registered car before you can’t have it denied later becouse law changed. Therefore I agree: it can happen, that such car is still owned by some Pole (as Poles are now richer and such cars have really bad opinions (no wonder !!) so no one wants them anymore) and it’s possible that some of this Poles drove this car to UK. But: such cars must have correct geometry, so they aren’t dangerous to drive and they still have to pass regular MOT. So only problem is for this Pole inside if he will have a bump and his car will split in half… And it’s really a margin, not the average car in Poland.
,and another thing if you are so poor over there where has the money come from to buy these cars and at the time pay the customs duty?
People are driving cars even in the poorest places on the Earth. Just in poorer places they are driving poorer cars. It was much cheaper to buy some crashed cars for 100 euros or whatever in Germany, bring it to Poland and fix there, becouse you had to pay customs duty from vehicle’s value, and off course value of crashed vehicle is not too big
I never wanted to drive such crashed vehicle so I was driving old Polish Fiat by myself. OK, it was primitive, but I was sure about it’s past.
ive seen your folk with wads of notes paying up,got money for cars ■■? but thats all is it?
I am not sure what’s “wad”.
But: you have to understand polish folk. In the old times, under communist regime, especially in the latest period of it, it was very easy to get a flat - factory was providing flats for its workers, railways for railwaymans, coal mine for miners etc. etc. But the car - that was SOMETHING. Only the richest people could afford a car (or these, who were able to gain so called “talon” - special permit to allow you to buy car at official price from factory (but you still had to wait even couple of years, and you got it as it was - january they were doing white ones, february red, all were with standardized versions etc. The situation was so crazy, that TAXI company were selling ex-taxi vehicles with mileages 100 000km or higher (which is a lot for polish fiat due to quality of production) on free market or auctions for prices as big as triple or even quadruple price of new in factory! And if you had western european car (even if it was 30 years old Beetle) you was a macho!
So after these times ended, everyone wanted to have a car. And that becomed most important way to show your financial status. You know: you will invite only some people to your home, so most of them do not know how you live. But everyone sees what car you are driving. So people went crazy and they were saving money on everything only to buy a car. So it was nothing unusual to see Mercedes S-Klasse or Jaguar parked under some ugly concrete block…
I hope that helps you to understand this.
Off course not everyone were like that - my father was driving his Trabant for years unltil he had an accident on it But he made a huge refubrishment of our house and we had good education, musical instruments, computer, etc, etc…
truckyboy:
we hear of many stories of how the eastern bloc drivers obtain their licences, by taking a test on a tractor and trailer, well it may not be to our liking, but its allowed in poland
Please, not another one.
I already explained on this forum how the C+E test looks in Poland. It was everything there with pictures etc. but I can’t find it. Today’s british standard (C and C+E instead of class 1, 2, 3 etc) was introduced in Poland many years earlier and I still dare to tell, that for some reasons that it’s harder to obtain a licence in Poland.
- you have massive amount of maneuvreus on the conned area before you will even allowed to drive outside the examination centre
- you are passing your test on examination vehicle, which is not necessary the same model of lorry you were taking your lessons (but, come in, it’s not a tractor, unless you mean tractor and semitrailer, so set like this:
(they were testing drivers on this thing (except that it was old Iveco, not a DAF) in Kraków 3 years ago.
But in most cases it’s set like this:
In the past standard test vehicle for C+E was this:
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- You don’t have a fixed route. After you passed your maneuvres part, you are going to the town for 40 minutes and examinator on the passenger seat gives you orders like “please turn left when possible” and you have to find plave where is legal and safe to turn etc.
From last All examination vehicles are fitted with cameras shows what is happening on the front, on the back and inside the cab, so is no way to cheat or bribe (altough there were some problems in the past, that’s true).
So please, please, please stop this myth…
Or it’s a simply misunderstanding, as what you call “an artic” here is “Ciągnik z naczepą” in Polish and that’s translates straight into english as “Tractor and trailer”. But if you hear “I was driving tractor and trailer in Poland” that’s do not mean, that he was a farmer!
(BTW: there is a farm tractor category in Poland, called T and it’s allows you to drive farm tractor with one trailer (as to drive single farm tractor B is enaufgh) T+E means that you can drive farm tractor with TWO trailers… Try to pass your maneuvres on it!!! It’s the ultra ■■■■■■■■! )
annitram:
One of the reasons for this has already been discussed ie:- eu grants for accession countries paid for by existing members eg:- uk hauliers who did not get the same type of incentives to join the E.U
Yeah, blame Poland for that people don’t care for their vehicles here…
I have other theory: You are (or used to be) a rich country. So company knew “every five years or so we can renew our fleet”. So they don’t cared too much about their vehicle - what’s the point to spend a fortune on vehicle which is going away in few months…
In Poland they used to be poor. So you were never sure if you will not have to drive this vehicle for next 20 years, so you keep it in tip-top condition.
I had a friend in Poland, he had small haulage company, he has one 20 years old Liaz and two 15 and 17 years old Scanias and he was doing runs to Germany. He was stopped by TUV or what their Vosa is called plenty of times and they never found nothing wrong in it…