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[muckles]

orys:

JeffA:
But how come the “lazy British working man”, who can’t even begin to compete with the “dedicated and hard-working poles” had built a country capable of taking on the jerries while the Poles were flat on their arse inside a fortnight?

1. In 35 days, and it was only officialy signed deal. Indenpendent partisants were fitghting germans and Soviets whole 6 years
2. Becouse, my dear, Britain is an Island. See D-day how it was hard to gains some land on the other side of the channel. To attack Poland is much easier, as all you have to do is cross the small stream.
   Also: Britain, while obliged by deal to stand up aside Poland, gave eastern europe to Stalin as a attempt to end war earlier. So last 60 years you were rich, western european country, helped strongly from US, while Poland, the most damaged country in the war, instead of getting some significant help, was only milked by Soviets. Even Germans, the Bad Guys, had financial help from US (marshall plan that was, isn’t it) while we got nothing.

I hope I explained it clearly.

Britain survived the German march through Europe because we are an Island. Because we had the resources of an Empire to draw on.
And because at a crutial time, the German high command switched tactics.
But it was a close run thing.
We nearly lost much of our regular army at Dunkirk and we nearly lost our entire Air Force and it’s fields.
And there were many in this country including in the Government who were willing to put thier hands up and sign a peace deal with Hitler, even once we were at war.
And we weren’t alone, in those early days fighting alongside British Servicemen were troops from New Zealand, Australia, India Canada and all round the Empire. They also came from Poland, Chezkoslavakia, France and many of the other Countries in Europe. There were Americans, before they had officially entered the war. Some of these were Vetrans of the Spainish Civil war, they fought because they were idiologicly opposed to Fasiciam. So we weren’t alone, but we were a beacon of light opposing the march of Fasiciam across Europe.

[jeffa]

orys:
2. Becouse, my dear, Britain is an Island. See D-day how it was hard to gains some land on the other side of the channel. To attack Poland is much easier, as all you have to do is cross the small stream.
Also: Britain, while obliged by deal to stand up aside Poland, gave eastern europe to Stalin as a attempt to end war earlier. So last 60 years you were rich, western european country, helped strongly from US, while Poland, the most damaged country in the war, instead of getting some significant help, was only milked by Soviets. Even Germans, the Bad Guys, had financial help from US (marshall plan that was, isn’t it) while we got nothing.
.

I don’t think it was simply down to Britain being an island tho Orys. Greece, Crete and no end of other places were Islands too - a bit of water didn’t usually stop Hitler. To be honest I don’t think Hitler was that interested in England - his aim was always Russia.

And I think the reason Britain was able to stand up to Germany because it had built a country capable of doing so by the hard work of the lazy english workers.

How could Britain stop Russia taking Poland? What were we going to do? Declare war on Russia? And seeing as 80% of all Germans killed in the war were killed by Russians there’s an argument they deserved eastern europe. Without Russia, the germans would probably still be in power in Poland.

Thanks for the info tho orys, I’m learning quite a bit!!

[muckles]

V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,

This country has always accepted immirgration, especially for economic purposes and I think they add to society and if these people are working then good luck to them. Personally I’d don’t want to work with some of the numpties I’ve met who prefer to sit on the dole.

If you like radical facist solutions, then surely as they and thier offspring cause more problems in this country than workers from other Countries. Sterilisation is the answer and keep those who want to work coming. (Maybe I’ll email that to the BNP)

As for Foreign trucks doing the work, that a political problem, but our industry leader are more worried about a TV presenter making an off the cuff remark than really pressuring the Government about things that really affect Haulage Companies.

[orys]

Macka Packa:
Is this fact true?
Less than a year before it was invaded, Poland participated alongside German forces in the annexation of Czechoslovakia and received a small territory (Zaolzie) to annex in return.

No, that’s not true.

But it some true in this.

In 1920, when Poland was engaged in war with Bolsheviks, Czechs took an advantage and annexed Zaolzie, which was granted to Poland after a plebiscite. So when the Czechs were in trouble, Poles just took it back.

Altough it wasnt the brightest part of our history, it has to be mentioned that this move wasn’t in any relation with Germany, exept that thanks to german invasion Czechs were too busy to react.

[orys]

V8 Passion:
orys how would you like it if your country men was out of work and foreigners were working in your country,

I would move to another country where there would be work for me.

[orys]

drew128:
I would say Aldi, Lidi and Netto are not that bad, Aldi has some cracking offers on. The rest of it is a bit of a generalization I feel.

Aldi sells Green Okocim, my favourite polish beer for only .99p per bottle!!!

[orys]

JeffA:
I don’t think it was simply down to Britain being an island tho Orys. Greece, Crete and no end of other places were Islands too - a bit of water didn’t usually stop Hitler. To be honest I don’t think Hitler was that interested in England - his aim was always Russia.

That was true. There were even talks between Britain and ■■■■ germany “You take Eastern Europe and leave Western Europe for Britain” - that was released from your archives about month ago.

And I think the reason Britain was able to stand up to Germany because it had built a country capable of doing so by the hard work of the lazy english workers.

With all my respect to the British workers (who were much less lazy at these times ) you build this country thanks to all resources in your colonies.

How could Britain stop Russia taking Poland? What were we going to do? Declare war on Russia? And seeing as 80% of all Germans killed in the war were killed by Russians there’s an argument they deserved eastern europe. Without Russia, the germans would probably still be in power in Poland.

Now we are starting to play “what if…” game, but I personally think that if Britain and France would start war with Germans, Russia would not dare to attack Poland.

Thanks for the info tho orys, I’m learning quite a bit!!

I am always happy to help bust some mits

[muckles]

JeffA:

orys:
2. Becouse, my dear, Britain is an Island. See D-day how it was hard to gains some land on the other side of the channel. To attack Poland is much easier, as all you have to do is cross the small stream.
Also: Britain, while obliged by deal to stand up aside Poland, gave eastern europe to Stalin as a attempt to end war earlier. So last 60 years you were rich, western european country, helped strongly from US, while Poland, the most damaged country in the war, instead of getting some significant help, was only milked by Soviets. Even Germans, the Bad Guys, had financial help from US (marshall plan that was, isn’t it) while we got nothing.
.

I don’t think it was simply down to Britain being an island tho Orys. Greece, Crete and no end of other places were Islands too - a bit of water didn’t usually stop Hitler. To be honest I don’t think Hitler was that interested in England - his aim was always Russia.

And I think the reason Britain was able to stand up to Germany because it had built a country capable of doing so by the hard work of the lazy english workers.

How could Britain stop Russia taking Poland? What were we going to do? Declare war on Russia? And seeing as 80% of all Germans killed in the war were killed by Russians there’s an argument they deserved eastern europe. Without Russia, the germans would probably still be in power in Poland.

Thanks for the info tho orys, I’m learning quite a bit!!

Greece is an Island
As for Crete the invasion nearly failed, because it was an Island the invasion was lead by Airbourne troops and not the normal wave of tanks. The objective was to capture the Airfields so they could be reinforced. But they Germans met great resistance. The reason they manged to capture the island had more to do with mistakes from the allied forces high command than overwhelming German firepower.
In fact the Airbourne assault suufered such heavy casualties that Hilter forbade thier use in similar operations.

[drew128]

Its gone way off topic now, but very, very interesting.

[muckles]

drew128:
Its gone way off topic now, but very, very interesting.

History affects us, but I’m not sure how much of this effects whats happening today.
But it is interesting, however I’m one of those that would rather watch a good history documentry on BBC2 or 5 than Strictly X factor dancing.

[orys]

muckles:

drew128:
Its gone way off topic now, but very, very interesting.

History affects us, but I’m not sure how much of this effects whats happening today.
But it is interesting, however I’m one of those that would rather watch a good history documentry on BBC2 or 5 than Strictly X factor dancing.

I can truly recomend you all this one:
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 … Episode_4/ (all episodes of it)

It was recomended to us by our lecturer of “Central and East European Studies” and I finding it really good. And it shows rather decently polish situation.

[orys]

muckles:
Greece is an Island

They got SOME islands, so I treated that as a some kind of simplification

[wheel_nut]

V8 Passion:
you lot think im being a racist or a bnp pusher but one day soon you will all say that old boy v8 was rite good luck fellas you will need lots,

We only have your TN posts to judge you on and with 50 odd posts ranting the same crap, what did you expect?

Did a Polish driver pup your daughter or something?

[newmercman]

V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,

That’s a completely different point to the original post, this practice should be stopped (the cabotage, not the change of point ) I used to run my own lorries doing short sea boxes & for a time I made a decent living, then all the foreigners came over with their big diesel tanks & poorly paid drivers & carved the job up, I was asking for more money as the diesel prices were going up & was being told that the rates were going down as they could get the jobs done cheaper by the foreigners, the fact that the government allows this is a ■■■■■■■ disgrace. There is no benefit to UK Plc, the money is all going straight out of the country, the prices never came down in the shops as a result, no taxes are paid to our government, it’s all about that meglomaniac Tony ■■■■■■■ Blair & his desire to be European President.

All this talk of fighting in wars just underlines the fact that the British Government has bent us all over & is encouraging foreigners to come over & stick it up us & what do we do, we moan, at least the Poles had the courage to stick together & change their country to how THEY wanted it to be, not the British though, we just sit back & take it, our forefathers must be spinning in their graves

[kenny1975]

While i dont agree with the racist, BNP type nonsense that seems to be getting posted a lot of this forum these days.

The lazy British worker crap wears a bit thin as well.

Working in a computer factory, used to asessble something like 20 computers an hour, then get more active workers that have just come to the UK from Eastern Europe and work themselves ragged making 30 computers an hour to impress their boss, you won’t get rewarded for it.

British worker could make 30 computers a day, but its really hard work and really wears you out, espec when its doing it 8 hours a day five days a week burns you out, pushing you to the limits. Plus it also means the bosses now want targets for 32 computer an hour etc…

You play the game, you do as everyone else does make 20 computers its easier and less stressfull. Rather than set the bar really high then you struggle everyday to meet it.

But a lot of them don’t play the game wreck the job for everyone.

[bikemonkey]

Kenny1975:
While i dont agree with the racist, BNP type nonsense that seems to be getting posted a lot of this forum these days.

The lazy British worker crap wears a bit thin as well.

Working in a computer factory, used to asessble something like 20 computers an hour, then get more active workers that have just come to the UK from Eastern Europe and work themselves ragged making 30 computers an hour to impress their boss, you won’t get rewarded for it.

British worker could make 30 computers a day, but its really hard work and really wears you out, espec when its doing it 8 hours a day five days a week burns you out, pushing you to the limits. Plus it also means the bosses now want targets for 32 computer an hour etc…

You play the game, you do as everyone else does make 20 computers its easier and less stressfull. Rather than set the bar really high then you struggle everyday to meet it.

But a lot of them don’t play the game wreck the job for everyone.

I dont really think its a case of the Poles trying to impress the boss…if they can make 32 computers a day 5-7 days a week then why cant the British??
cause a LOT not ALL wouldn’t know a decent days graft if it came up and smacked em in the chops.;…the work ethic in this country STINKS of ■■■■ …it never did do as our forefathers HAD to work for a living when Britain and the British were hard working and great.

EXAMPLE Monday: go into work tell all your mates how wasted you got over the weekend and how many drugs you took mince about a bit go have a ■■■ and a bit more chat make a computer or part of it half heartedly,text your mate,go have a ■■■ and a chat send another text,make a computer or part of it,go have a chat and a smoke and send a text ,■■■■ about a bit more a drag it out til home time and then go home and ■■■■ the missus or something along those lines…REPEAT til Friday…Whereas the Poles just get on with it IMO:wink:

I’ve had work in all sorts of environments,factories,building sites,shops and felt like I was one of a small number of people willing to graft and put myself out for my money …most of em were moaning lazy ■■■■■.

If I ever went back to Steel Erecting as a Subbie,my own business maybe… I would have NO qualms whatsoever about taking on Polish Apprentices over a Brit…cause at least I’d Know I could trust them to get on and do the job and not ■■■■ about doing nothing all day.

[jeffa]

bikemonkey:
.the work ethic in this country STINKS of [zb] …it never did do as our forefathers HAD to work for a living when Britain and the British were hard working and great.

I dunno, I thought the work ethic back then was a lot more civilised than it is now. Back in the 1970’s the idea of working in the rain would have been laughed at. Now you see them slogging their guts out when it’s ■■■■■■■ down. Imagine suggesting to an eastern european that you shouldn’t work in the rain.

Back in the 70’s the miners would do 4 hour shifts and then go home. Try doing that in a mine today.

Back in the 70’s unions had the power to get people some decent working conditions and pay. Even the dole would be worth well over £100 if it had kept pace with what it was in the 70’s.

I don’t envy the working man of today one bit - things were a thousand times better in the old days.

[annitram]

orys:

V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,

Interesting things you are talking here, but, as usual, ■■■■ away from truth.

1. Polish fleet is now most modern in Europe. Average polish lorry is about 3.4 years old (just seen a news in polish TV few days ago). You wish have such standard in Britain As for servicint: Polish lorries have to go through germany, and German Vosa is a ■■■■ compared to british. So no company would risk sending a crappy lorry to the german autobahn. Also standards in Poland are much higher when we are talking about maintantance of lorries. That may be becouse you know that you can afford new lorry every five years while in Poland market is still too unstable (this boom is a thing of recent years) so you are never sure if you would be able to buy a new one. My friend has a small haulage company, 3 lorries he has, one Liaz doing only domestic transport (over 20 years old, but still passing every MOT’s withot a problems), and two teenage scanias. He is often stopped in Germany, as they think that it will be easy money for them and he only once had a ticket for a burned bulb in the back lights.

2. As you know, cabbotage rules are the same for everyone. Why don’t you drive just off the Tunnel in France and back here if it’s so good deal?

3. What good is that for you? That good, that thanks to cheap transport from Poland you can still buy cheap food (often also from Poland) in your British shops (run mostly by Pakistani people )

You can’t blame Polish truckers, that they are providing cheap and reliable service. I know, that your government is crap when is about supporting the transport industry, but that’s not Poles fault.

4. And don’t be worry. As they are so busy pooing in the laybys, slashing a curtains and side swapping cars, they do not have too much time to compete with british transport

It may well be the case Orys that the Polish fleet is the most modern in Europe but at one time the Spanish fleet was probably the most modern this would mainly be due to the accession countries joining the European Union during periods of expansion getting huge grants from the E.U to improve both the infrastructure and competitiveness with other European states. Please do not forget that this country is one of only 2(i Believe) net contributors to the E.U
and has also not received the types of grants that have been afforded to more recent accession states.

So while The British haulage industry has laboured under a huge tax burden many of its foreign competitors have been getting grants and low interest/interest free loans to make improvements we have to pay more for our vehicles just because they are right hand drive. Please factor these facts into your comments regarding us wishing for a younger fleet.

[sidevalve]

JeffA:
I dunno, I thought the work ethic back then was a lot more civilised than it is now. Back in the 1970’s the idea of working in the rain would have been laughed at. Now you see them slogging their guts out when it’s ■■■■■■■ down. Imagine suggesting to an eastern european that you shouldn’t work in the rain.

Back in the 70’s the miners would do 4 hour shifts and then go home. Try doing that in a mine today.

Back in the 70’s unions had the power to get people some decent working conditions and pay. Even the dole would be worth well over £100 if it had kept pace with what it was in the 70’s.

I don’t envy the working man of today one bit - things were a thousand times better in the old days.

You don’t get it do you? It was thanks to things like dockers wanting extra money if it was raining, miners doing 4-hour shifts, and everyone and his dog stopping work at the drop of a hat that started the rot in this country.Couple that to complacent management , shareholders who valued short-term profit over long-term investment and a stubborn refusal to modernise either machinery or working practices (for a classic example look at the printing industry) and you’ve got a recipe for disaster, a whirlwind which we’re only now beginning to reap.

Big companies saw which way the wind was blowing and took their business elsewhere. Successive governments of both hues (and I’m talking before Thatcher here) didn’t do enough to stop it.

Ask any optician; hindsight is not correctable by rose-tinted glasses!

(Sits back and awaits inevitable anti-Tory jibes from gsm31)

[orys]

annitram:
It may well be the case Orys that the Polish fleet is the most modern in Europe but at one time the Spanish fleet was probably the most modern this would mainly be due to the accession countries joining the European Union during periods of expansion getting huge grants from the E.U to improve both the infrastructure and competitiveness with other European states. Please do not forget that this country is one of only 2(i Believe) net contributors to the E.U
and has also not received the types of grants that have been afforded to more recent accession states.

So while The British haulage industry has laboured under a huge tax burden many of its foreign competitors have been getting grants and low interest/interest free loans to make improvements we have to pay more for our vehicles just because they are right hand drive. Please factor these facts into your comments regarding us wishing for a younger fleet.

That’s all true, but again, not to the end.

Poland for first few years was not taking too much (mostly blame is on Polish goverment for not using what was granted to us, but it’s worth to mention that our first year in EC we paid more to the jar then we took away). Now we are taking more, but still not as much as they were promised, as now Romania and Bulgaria are taking more as the newest, poorest states in EU. So generally speaking you got the point but it’s not as much as you think.