bikemonkey:
I dont really think its a case of the Poles trying to impress the boss…if they can make 32 computers a day 5-7 days a week then why cant the British??
cause a LOT not ALL wouldn’t know a decent days graft if it came up and smacked em in the chops.;…the work ethic in this country STINKS of [zb] …it never did do as our forefathers HAD to work for a living when Britain and the British were hard working and great.
Yeah. I have to agree with you. When I used to work for Reglit sometimes I had to help boys in the warehouse. And that was the worst days for me. Not becouse hard work, but becouse the opposite.
For example: we had to cut 80 glass panels. It’s simply: take one panel, put it on the racks, cut, put both pieces away. It can took about a minute to cut one. We were given whole afternoon to do this job and becouse of my work partner who was doing everything to avoid the working we did 35!!! In over 4 hours!
But he was chatting with the others, they made a battle with cardboard pieces used to separate panels from each, they were away smoking, they took a van and went to buy a lunch in take away (what took them over the hour), they were moaning about salaries etc.
When I used to work in similar trade in Poland (we were assembling the lamps) we were ordered to do about 3 times bigger amount of work, but then we were told “you’ll finish it and you’ll go home” and we never needed to stay at work till end of our working hours.
V8 Passion:
you lot think im being a racist or a bnp pusher but one day soon you will all say that old boy v8 was rite good luck fellas you will need lots,
Lots of things are uncertain but all I can say for definite is utter ■■■■■■■ like you will be out of work whether Eastern Europeans, Two Headed Aliens or Lord Lucan drive trucks because they will be more use than you, next time you’re short of work don’t look any further than the mirror for reasons why.
The £ falling off a cliff will not encourage an influx of people from eastern Europe looking for work, it is now almost at parity with the Euro. All it will take is another 1% fall in interest rates for it to fall below the value of the Euro.
This should help UK exports though … maybe even of UK drivers - The big net companies such as Amazon are already benefitting from European orders due to the plunging £, that will happen elsewhere too. Good news for UK jobs at least.
EnglishTrucker:
Since joining the EU every aspect of our lives has changed for the worse. Almost ALL of our once great industries have gone because we joined the EU. And before anyone says we would be worse off out of it, just take a look at NORWAY. Norway isn’t in the EU and it’s been voted the best place to live for quality of life etc in the European Continent. If a country as small as Norway can have the best quality of life out of the EU then just think what might have been if we never joined.
Norway has something the world wants and pays a good price to get, Norway has no need to be in the EU, it can afford not to be.
If your talking about oil, don’t forget the UK has North Sea Oil. If we weren’t saddled with the Billions we have to hand over to the EU every year, if we had control of our fishing stocks then maybe we would have been as rich as Norway??
EnglishTrucker:
Since joining the EU every aspect of our lives has changed for the worse. Almost ALL of our once great industries have gone because we joined the EU. And before anyone says we would be worse off out of it, just take a look at NORWAY. Norway isn’t in the EU and it’s been voted the best place to live for quality of life etc in the European Continent. If a country as small as Norway can have the best quality of life out of the EU then just think what might have been if we never joined.
Norway has something the world wants and pays a good price to get, Norway has no need to be in the EU, it can afford not to be.
If your talking about oil, don’t forget the UK has North Sea Oil. If we weren’t saddled with the Billions we have to hand over to the EU every year, if we had control of our fishing stocks then maybe we would have been as rich as Norway??
The main difference between the UK and Norway isn’t the fact they aren’t in the EU, but they have a very small population and therefore a very low comsumption of oil compared to the UK. Which give them much more to export and less people to spend the money on.
JeffA:
Eh? What did the Poles do in World War 2 apart from put their hands up inside a fortnight?
Hm. Fought on all fronts as the one and only nation? Fought in Polish army, RAF, French army, US Army, Polish Underground Army and Soviet Army? Fought in Pacific and Asian area, in whole Europe, in Africa… Captured Monte Cassino , created best fighting squadron in RAF (303 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
The Jerries chose to situate all the death camps in Poland and I can’t remember too many jews saying “The poles came to our help”. Apparantly the Poles favourite trick was to say to the jews on the trains “Throw us your gold and we will bring you water” then they’d take the gold and just walk off.
So why it so strangely happened, that the Poles have the most trees in Yad Vashem? And why only this one lady: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler saved much more Jews that famous Oscar Schindler?
Your knowledge is appaling. Please, read something before start to make up this [zb] only to support your dislike to Poles.
My Grandfather fought at Monte Cassino from start to finish. It consisted of several battles, with X Corps taking on the initial assault and ll Corps taking on the main assault.
The Poles were present, but they were not the main taking force. The three commanders on the ground were 2 Brits and 1 American. The Poles had a recce group from their 12th Regt who found the ruins abandoned and raised a regimental pennant over the rubble.The axis forces lost a quarter of their strength to the allied losses of half their strength.
Also the Enigma machine you are talking about where the Poles broke the code was taken out of service as a result as well as having mechanical problems. It was the British who broke the code of the latest machines of the time. There wasn’t just one machine but lots of different ones.
when they are a surplus of things such as jobs, then yes why not share with our fellow countries who we get on with so well, i like the poles they are hardworking good people.
but times are bad now and i expect my country to look after me.
i am not polish, i am not european, i am british, and i expect britain to look after me in times like this.
saying immigrants are taking the jobs dole layabouts wont take and thus are doing no wrong is not acceptable.
we should be changing the [zb] benefit system rather than justifying giving jobs to immigrants rather than brits.
yes i want my country to look after its own when times are bad, if you consider me racist for saying that then im racist in your eyes. my indian best friend who disagree.
gnasty gnome:
You don’t get it do you? It was thanks to things like dockers wanting extra money if it was raining, miners doing 4-hour shifts, and everyone and his dog stopping work at the drop of a hat that started the rot in this country.
Thing we now know as wanting better pay and conditions. We also knew it was that at the time !!
gnasty gnome:
Couple that to complacent management , shareholders who valued short-term profit over long-term investment and a stubborn refusal to modernise either machinery or working practices (for a classic example look at the printing industry) and you’ve got a recipe for disaster, a whirlwind which we’re only now beginning to reap.
Eh? The management where that savvy, that where possible (i.e Coal) it was cheaper to obtain it from elsewhere, somewhere where the workers did not have the same conditions we had/have.And it was cheaper!
gnasty gnome:
Big companies saw which way the wind was blowing and took their business elsewhere. Successive governments of both hues (and I’m talking before Thatcher here) didn’t do enough to stop it.
Eh? (again !) You said the management was complacent? Now they’re not?
gnasty gnome:
Ask any optician; hindsight is not correctable by rose-tinted glasses!
Wanting better pay and conditons is one thing; taking the ■■■■ is another. Lot of you on here are quite happy to blame the foreign nationals for taking “your” jobs, if a bit of give and take had been used by both sides in years gone by there might have been a few more jobs for us now.
Most British coal is (or rather was) deep mined, which is less economical to produce. We might well be sitting on millions of tonnes of the stuff, but getting it out and then using it in such a manner that keeps both users and environmentalists happy was another problem. Can you please tell me, BTW, how many British coal mines have ben re-opened since 1997? If it was such a bad thing (which it undoubtedly was in social if not economic terms) then why was the trend not reversed?
I agree that management tend to be no less complacent and short-sighted now. You’d think they’d learn, wouldn’t you?
EnglishTrucker:
My Grandfather fought at Monte Cassino from start to finish. It consisted of several battles, with X Corps taking on the initial assault and ll Corps taking on the main assault.
The Poles were present, but they were not the main taking force. The three commanders on the ground were 2 Brits and 1 American. The Poles had a recce group from their 12th Regt who found the ruins abandoned and raised a regimental pennant over the rubble.The axis forces lost a quarter of their strength to the allied losses of half their strength.
It’s a shame, that makers of this recent BBC movie “II WW behind closed doors” haven’t asked your Grandfather how it was and still shows Monte Cassino as a Polish Victory. It’s true, there weren’t Poles only, but Poles conducted decisive attack and it was a success (at cost of many Polish lives).
Also the Enigma machine you are talking about where the Poles broke the code was taken out of service as a result as well as having mechanical problems. It was the British who broke the code of the latest machines of the time. There wasn’t just one machine but lots of different ones.
There were many combinations, but it was only changing pattern. Rules were still the same (as it has to be if that still was the same machine). And algorithm was delivered by Polish mathematicians in 1932. After this invention en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomba_(cryptography it was really easy.
The problem occured when naval Enigmas were introduced, as there was more wheels and that changed a lot. But after U-Boot with Enigma’s were captured, Brits were able to adjust polish algorythms to support this version as well.
christianh:
yes i want my country to look after its own when times are bad, if you consider me racist for saying that then im racist in your eyes. my indian best friend who disagree.
So do you expect your Indian friend to move back to India now?
gnasty gnome:
Wanting better pay and conditons is one thing; taking the ■■■■ is another. Lot of you on here are quite happy to blame the foreign nationals for taking “your” jobs, if a bit of give and take had been used by both sides in years gone by there might have been a few more jobs for us now.
I certainly am not blaming foreign nationals for taking ‘my’ jobs. But even if ‘give and take’ had been applied we’d still be in the same boat. Only a fool (or humanitarian)would pay higher wages to workers with better employment rights and conditions as opposed to using countries and employees where no such rights exist.
gnasty gnome:
Most British coal is (or rather was) deep mined, which is less economical to produce. We might well be sitting on millions of tonnes of the stuff, but getting it out and then using it in such a manner that keeps both users and environmentalists happy was another problem. Can you please tell me, BTW, how many British coal mines have ben re-opened since 1997? If it was such a bad thing (which it undoubtedly was in social if not economic terms) then why was the trend not reversed?
A thorney problem here. It looks like we aint going to meet, or rather can’t meet our EU emmisions targets. There will be a coal fired power station opening soon in the South East. Much to the discontent of green campaigners, too late however for the mining vilages which have ceased that line of buisness.
gnasty gnome:
I agree that management tend to be no less complacent and short-sighted now. You’d think they’d learn, wouldn’t you?
Not really mate. You can restructure your buisness at the stroke of a pen. Restructuring communities and peoples lives takes a little more commitment.
orys:
It’s a shame, that makers of this recent BBC movie “II WW behind closed doors” haven’t asked your Grandfather how it was and still shows Monte Cassino as a Polish Victory. It’s true, there weren’t Poles only, but Poles conducted decisive attack and it was a success (at cost of many Polish lives).
We should put this to bed now. The war was a loss of many UK lives too. We never even had a war here, we where bombed , true. But there was no fighting here and we where not invaded.
orys:
It’s a shame, that makers of this recent BBC movie “II WW behind closed doors” haven’t asked your Grandfather how it was and still shows Monte Cassino as a Polish Victory. It’s true, there weren’t Poles only, but Poles conducted decisive attack and it was a success (at cost of many Polish lives).
We should put this to bed now. The war was a loss of many UK lives too. We never even had a war here, we where bombed , true. But there was no fighting here and we where not invaded.
Nooooo!!! I’m learning so much, better than the History channel.
- The big net companies such as Amazon are already benefitting from European orders due to the plunging £, that will happen elsewhere too. Good news for UK jobs at least.