Xenophobia spelt with an x is a greek word and means a fear of something foriegn. So if I was xenophobic why would I go and live in Greece?
lefkasman:
Xenophobia spelt with an x is a greek word and means a fear of something foriegn. So if I was xenophobic why would I go and live in Greece?
Yes. I should have paid more attention, however the meaning was the same
The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners
drew128:
I was something like 2 weeks before Poland was overrun by the ■■■■ invasion, it is documented they indeed put up a good fight, but were did not have the same modern equipment as the Germans had, they were very outgunned. I think you will find it was not a handful, wether it was joining other countries to continue or fighting from within Poland, the Warsaw uprising would be a good example, you do them a great disservice to say they put there hands up.
But how come the “lazy British working man”, who can’t even begin to compete with the “dedicated and hard-working poles” had built a country capable of taking on the jerries while the Poles were flat on their arse inside a fortnight?
JeffA:
drew128:
I was something like 2 weeks before Poland was overrun by the ■■■■ invasion, it is documented they indeed put up a good fight, but were did not have the same modern equipment as the Germans had, they were very outgunned. I think you will find it was not a handful, wether it was joining other countries to continue or fighting from within Poland, the Warsaw uprising would be a good example, you do them a great disservice to say they put there hands up.But how come the “lazy British working man”, who can’t even begin to compete with the “dedicated and hard-working poles” had built a country capable of taking on the jerries while the Poles were flat on their arse inside a fortnight?
Which country are we talking about, America or Russia?
go and pick some cabbage drew 128, glad your not here anymore!!
truckermarcus:
go and pick some cabbage drew 128, glad your not here anymore!!
Thats is not the strongest or particularly the cleverest response I have received in my life. I also find it a bit personal, I am not sure you have read all the posts.
I am here in the UK at this moment in time, although I did pick 2 cabbage up from Sainsburys early in the week. I do try to offer an opinion based on seeing both sides of the story, reading back through my posts on this thread I do believe I have made it obvious I am not in agreement with the open border policy of this government, I think most other European countries seem to have a better grasp of how to do this.
The second war world somehow arrived in the thread and some opinions of the Polish in the conflict needed addressing, although it appears we all need a history lesson from Orys of these times.
The west has become complacent and lazy, its a fact, the east is used to hard graft, making do with not a lot, my life in Poland requires a lot more effort than I am used to.
Please keep it interesting I hate “My dad is bigger than your dad” replies. After 10 pages I have only learnt that on Thursday Orys was wearing black undies and not purple and some history on a different subject
V8 Passion:
a lot of you are missing the point or are you trying not to upset the moderator or orys, the point is when work is quiet they should be stood down layed off [zb] off whatever so our uk people can work,
Question is, that imigration laws is not a turn-on, turn-off thing like a switch light.
People were told “you are welcome”. They left their countries, often sold their houses, they have no job to go back etc. And now you want to tell them “get lost to your country now”? That’s not fair. AFAIK in British law is the same basic rule as it is in european law systems, that law do not work backwards. So OK, you can ban new people from coming here (as if they are anyone who still want to come here 
) but you can’t throw out people, who are already here, becouse you will just rip them off. You invited them here, they bought houses, cars, electric appliances with british plugs etc, etc, and suddendly you want them to relocate back to Eastern Europe? If you think, that it’s so easy, why you don’t move yourself to follow job?
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,
JeffA:
A handful of Polish people fought on in other countries yes but the country itself put it’s hands up in short order.
Hm. Only in France after capitulation in Poland 84 000 of polish soldiers joined polish divisions. That’s includes panzer division and fighter pilots.
ORP Orzeł (this famous submarine, which escaped from intertnation in Estiona and without a maps and navigation tools managed to reach Rosyth) and ORP Błyskawica defended Norway.
Brigade of Podhale’s Riflemans fought in Narvik as well.
27 000 of Polish soldiers managed to get to Britain after fall of France.
Nearly 4000 polish soldiers fought in Tobruk
40 000 of polish soldiers fought aside Soviets.
And you have to be aware, that it wasn’t so easy to get to Britain from Poland - you had to sneak out through Slovakia to Hungary and Romania, then through Turkey, Irak to Palestina, where you were taking a ship to Casablanka or something like that, then you had to cross the sea to Spain or France and sneak out to La Manche channel…
Looks easy for you, when almost everywhere is plenty of German Soldiers?
And still 27 000 of Polish soldiers managed to join British Army. I dare to tell that it’s a good result, especialy if you comare it to how many of them died in september or in France or while trying to get to the West…
You still have to remember, that Polish Army aside Soviet Union was limited to 30 000 soldiers (as Stalin do not wanted Poland to be too strong) but it was overstretched to about 40 000. Many of people, who can’t get into the Polish army joined Red Army. And still you have indenpendent partizans and Country Army, underground organisation related to polish goverment in exile in London, of about 380 000 heads in 1944.
There were even Scouts as young as 10 fighting and helping underground movement in Poland: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szare_Szeregi
And last but not least about 600 000 of Polish soldiers gave their lives in Second WW (official statiscitsc very often shows 240 000, but that is only the number of Poles died while fighting as a Polish soldiers in Polish army. That not includes Poles fighting in other armies, Polish partisans, Country Army, Scouts etc etp).
Compare it to ~ 380 000 British Soldiers who gave their lives in the same war… And remember, that there are also Poles among this number. Go to Battle of Britain monument and check how many polish names are there - one in twenty? One in twenty five?
So I dare to tell, that if it was a handful, it was really huge handful.
As for failure of Poland in september.
You have to look wider on that problem.
First, Poland gained it’s indenpendence just in 1918 after 123 years of foreign occupation. So they had to create an army from scratch. And just two years later, they had to fight in Polish-Bolshevik war (and thank’s to Poles and American and British volunteers who gave their lives in that war, you don’t speak russians now, as if Soviets has to manage to go through Poland, they would just swap demilitarised germany and exhausted after IWW France and Britain.
Second: Germans took Czech Republic in 1938. Main reason for that wasn’t sudeten deutsches but Czech army (one of the most modern of the world in this time) and arms factories there.
Third: there were some analisys showing that if not Soviets, who stabbed Poland in the back in 17th of september, Poland would be able to manage Germans and pull them back at least to Wisła river.
Now check balance of the power:
At the 1st september Poland managed to mobilise almost 1 000 000 of soldiers. We had 2.800 canons, 500 tanks, 400 planes, two submarines etc.
Germans attacked Poland with 1500 000 soldiers, 9000 cannons, 2.500 tanks, 2 000 planes.
Red army started with 620 000 soldiers, 4.700 tanks and 3.200 planes.
That gives us:
2.1 enemy soldiers for each Polish soldier.
over 3 german cannons for each Polish cannon (and I have no data for Red Army in that matter)
15 enemy tanks for each polish tank
12 enemy planes for each polish plane
And you have to remember, that Russians were fighting only on the West, Germans only on the East of their countries and we have to defend all borders arround.
But still it took 35 days to give up. Warsaw defended for 28 days, polish lonely garnison on Hel pennisula fought over the month. Remember also Westerplatte already mentioned by me.
And you still have to mention that Germans were bombarding hospital: first hospital in Wieluń (central Poland today) was bombarded at about 3-4 am, so 4 hours before war officially started by firing cannons from Schlezwig-Holstein warship on Westerplatte.
70000 of Poles were killed or lost thanks to Germans and 420 000 was captured. 7000 were killed by Russians, 25000 were captured, and almost everyone of them murdered in Katyń, Charkow and Twera by Stalin’s order.
As for results: 14000 of German Soldiers died and 2500 of Russians. 674 German tanks were destroyed together with other 319 panzer vehicles (note that it means that each polish tank destroyed at least 2 enemy armoured vehicles, as you still have to add soviet tanks to it.
Almost every polish fighter plane killed one enemy, while, remember, there were 12 planes for each polish plane!
It’s worth to mention, that while Poles were fighting so hard, in UK and France, which were obligated by international deals to stand up for Poland, people do not wanted “their boys to die for Gdańsk”. Somehow they had no objection to Polish boys dying in Battle of Britain for example…
So I hope that you learned something again and you will never disrespect brave polish soldiers again.
True orys, you’ve taught me something there. I was just going on books by people who were at Treblinka who say that when they were waiting to die in the trains the polish civilians would walk past and try to rob them.
Off course that’s true. Poles aren’t the nation of saints and therefore you can find plenty of ■■■■■■■■ among them, as among every other nation.
I don’t want to defend it, but it’s worth to mention, that some of that valuables were gained to support polish resistance movement, as it was better to steal it from jews before Germans will put their hand on that. But I do not have respect to this people, as water to Jews was free.
JeffA:
But how come the “lazy British working man”, who can’t even begin to compete with the “dedicated and hard-working poles” had built a country capable of taking on the jerries while the Poles were flat on their arse inside a fortnight?
- In 35 days, and it was only officialy signed deal. Indenpendent partisants were fitghting germans and Soviets whole 6 years
- Becouse, my dear, Britain is an Island. See D-day how it was hard to gains some land on the other side of the channel. To attack Poland is much easier, as all you have to do is cross the small stream.
Also: Britain, while obliged by deal to stand up aside Poland, gave eastern europe to Stalin as a attempt to end war earlier. So last 60 years you were rich, western european country, helped strongly from US, while Poland, the most damaged country in the war, instead of getting some significant help, was only milked by Soviets. Even Germans, the Bad Guys, had financial help from US (marshall plan that was, isn’t it) while we got nothing.
I hope I explained it clearly.
V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,
good too see your not generalising then.
i’m seem too remember plenty of uk trucks, in the 90’s making a good living working in europe, topping up with cheaper diesel, ■■■■ and booze. i certainly did.
regards the pooing in laybys. thats just an idiot of a driver, don’t think its unique too any specific nation, a bad inconsiderate driver, will always be one, doesn’t matter where he/she is from.
Thanks for that Orys, some good & interesting facts and figures, but according to some, if it wasnt for Lidl and Aldi there wouldnt be any Poles left in the UK 
I feel ever so slightly embarrassed being an English man with tosh like the other 10 pages on this thread.
chilistrucker:
V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,good too see your not generalising then.
i’m seem too remember plenty of uk trucks, in the 90’s making a good living working in europe, topping up with cheaper diesel, ■■■■ and booze. i certainly did.
regards the pooing in laybys. thats just an idiot of a driver, don’t think its unique too any specific nation, a bad inconsiderate driver, will always be one, doesn’t matter where he/she is from.
Was that before the easterners came and fcked things completely
V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,
Interesting things you are talking here, but, as usual, ■■■■ away from truth.
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Polish fleet is now most modern in Europe. Average polish lorry is about 3.4 years old (just seen a news in polish TV few days ago). You wish have such standard in Britain
As for servicint: Polish lorries have to go through germany, and German Vosa is a ■■■■ compared to british. So no company would risk sending a crappy lorry to the german autobahn. Also standards in Poland are much higher when we are talking about maintantance of lorries. That may be becouse you know that you can afford new lorry every five years while in Poland market is still too unstable (this boom is a thing of recent years) so you are never sure if you would be able to buy a new one. My friend has a small haulage company, 3 lorries he has, one Liaz doing only domestic transport (over 20 years old, but still passing every MOT’s withot a problems), and two teenage scanias. He is often stopped in Germany, as they think that it will be easy money for them and he only once had a ticket for a burned bulb in the back lights. -
As you know, cabbotage rules are the same for everyone. Why don’t you drive just off the Tunnel in France and back here if it’s so good deal?
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What good is that for you? That good, that thanks to cheap transport from Poland you can still buy cheap food (often also from Poland) in your British shops (run mostly by Pakistani people
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You can’t blame Polish truckers, that they are providing cheap and reliable service. I know, that your goverment is crap when is about supporting the transport industry, but that’s not Poles fault.
- And don’t be worry. As they are so busy pooing in the laybys, slashing a curtains and side swapping cars, they do not have too much time to compete with british transport
I have worked with,
Germans, Lithuainians, Ukranians etc…
And they respect every culture except Poles,
You can quote history books etc…
but i,ll be more worried about peoples perception
of your race.
Is this fact true?
Less than a year before it was invaded, Poland participated alongside German forces in the annexation of Czechoslovakia and received a small territory (Zaolzie) to annex in return.
Wheel Nut:
I feel ever so slightly embarrassed being an English man with tosh like the other 10 pages on this thread.
Me too; in fact according to one bloke on here it’s all my fault anyway 'cos I didn’t vote for the Socialist Workers Party (surely a contradiction in terms if there ever was one) but it does go to prove that there are always some drivers who are more than willing to prove the general public’s impression of the honourable trade which we ply.
Credit to Orys for replying to ignorant insults with a mixture of good manners and good humour, something that seems to have been lost on here lately.
orys how would you like it if your country men was out of work and foreigners were working in your country,
V8 Passion:
chilistrucker:
V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,good too see your not generalising then.
i’m seem too remember plenty of uk trucks, in the 90’s making a good living working in europe, topping up with cheaper diesel, ■■■■ and booze. i certainly did.
regards the pooing in laybys. thats just an idiot of a driver, don’t think its unique too any specific nation, a bad inconsiderate driver, will always be one, doesn’t matter where he/she is from.Was that before the easterners came and [zb] things completely
cake and eat it, springs too mind.
V8 Passion:
ok the some people have settled here which is to bad to late, but what about the eastern motors weather they be PL CZ RO Whatever that spend weeks working off our ports only going to calais ostend wherever to fuel up and buy crap from lidl or aldi then they come back and tramp around the uk ■■■■■■■ and pooing in laybys pinching diesel hiting cars etc what good are they doing us, they dont spend nothing here. motors aint seviced for weeks or months on end,
Not subtle, but a good post.
Surely VOSA are the culprits here, its seem it would not be hard to catch this sort of thing. The bottom line is no one seems to care as long as the price is right, it will not change until the government lessen the tax burden to the UK haulage industry and also impose a system that foreign operators contribute to the road system in the UK should they be here, However that should be, The level playing field.
The government treats vehicle’s as the same thing, 2p tax on fuel goes to everyone. In Denmark were I work we have a private and commercial rate on vehicle’s. Commercial vehicles are on yellow plates and apart from 25% moms (vat) they go there own way, a vehicle on white private plates incurs 180% tax onto on the purchase price, if you want a car you going to pay for it. My point it seems sensible to have a cheaper concession to freight as its important, should you stick it all on the rail network or try and float it up a canal I think not. I would fear that as the Great British public consider all trucks as vermin and just in the way all time, being ask to pay a lot more for the roads and keep freight moving wouldn’t go down well. Its not in the interests of UK PLC to ■■■■ the general population off, even if it makes perfect sense.
I would say Aldi, Lidi and Netto are not that bad, Aldi has some cracking offers on. The rest of it is a bit of a generalization I feel.
you lot think im being a racist or a bnp pusher but one day soon you will all say that old boy v8 was rite good luck fellas you will need lots,