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orys:

drew128:
We have one truck driver in the family, so I will try to see what he makes, I know he does Poland - Norway, but perhaps Orys has some idea, I would be interested to know as well.

AFAIK to make 6000 as a C+E driver is nothing difficult. That gives you about 1500 pounds per month, basic. But UK is now much less atractive that it was before rather becouse pound, which was about 6 zł when I came here 3 years ago is now at about 4.23 zł (last time I checked).

Thats around £1,300 today, but a good sum of money I would have thought a month, I would think it is not worth finding a driving job in the UK if you can get that in Poland.

Britian was once a mighty empire that colonised hundreds of places all over the world, how did we do this? we just turned up decided that we liked the place and what it had to offer like gold or tea etc… and then took over the place and were ruthless when we did it, if you didnt like our way of thinking and how we done things it was tuff luck, you were either killed or put to work as a slave somewhere, the point of this post was to highlight the fact that we once turned up in foreign places to do as we ■■■■ well pleased bringing our laws and believes with us and imposing them wherever we went, after the empire collapsed we gave the rights to all these colonies and their descendants to come here and live how they pleased and thus opened the gates to immigration and of course now we have a goverment that is soft and to scared to say no to anyone especialy when they mention human rights. it is the goverments fault that the country is in the sate it is in and the history of this once great empire has a lot to do with what is said and done today and that will never change!!!

kemaro:
Britian was once a mighty empire that colonised hundreds of places all over the world, how did we do this? we just turned up decided that we liked the place and what it had to offer like gold or tea etc… and then took over the place and were ruthless when we did it, if you didnt like our way of thinking and how we done things it was tuff luck, you were either killed or put to work as a slave somewhere, the point of this post was to highlight the fact that we once turned up in foreign places to do as we ■■■■ well pleased bringing our laws and believes with us and imposing them wherever we went, after the empire collapsed we gave the rights to all these colonies and their descendants to come here and live how they pleased and thus opened the gates to immigration and of course now we have a goverment that is soft and to scared to say no to anyone especialy when they mention human rights. it is the goverments fault that the country is in the sate it is in and the history of this once great empire has a lot to do with what is said and done today and that will never change!!!

So see how good are Poles for you? They come here to leave and work on YOUR rules, not to rule you as you used to do all arround the world :smiley:

orys:

gsm31:
UKIP Boy, take your opinions and go forth and multiply.
You’re a typical example of why the country is in the mess it’s in.
W.T.F. has WW2 got to do with the debate?

Becouse history is important. Place where UK is now is becouse not only the IIWW but also the British Imperium and many other factors.

I’m not so sure history is important in the context of this discussion though. Place where UK is now ihas nothing to do with the war either. Although most of the modern world should be gratefull to the UK for their way of life !! :wink:
To complex to go into here, but you might find this good reading, and very enlightening
amazon.co.uk/Brief-History-H … oks&sr=1-3

I’m not sure why everyone is focusing on ‘foreigners’ though as some sort of cause of problems, we have far to many misfits born here who are living an idle life paid for by us who have never worked a day in their life, and we house them and educate their kids as well. They should be the ones bearing the brunt of everyones discontent.

kemaro:
Britian was once a mighty empire that colonised hundreds of places all over the world, how did we do this? we just turned up decided that we liked the place and what it had to offer like gold or tea etc… and then took over the place and were ruthless when we did it, if you didnt like our way of thinking and how we done things it was tuff luck, you were either killed or put to work as a slave somewhere, the point of this post was to highlight the fact that we once turned up in foreign places to do as we ■■■■ well pleased bringing our laws and believes with us and imposing them wherever we went, after the empire collapsed we gave the rights to all these colonies and their descendants to come here and live how they pleased and thus opened the gates to immigration and of course now we have a goverment that is soft and to scared to say no to anyone especialy when they mention human rights. it is the goverments fault that the country is in the sate it is in and the history of this once great empire has a lot to do with what is said and done today and that will never change!!!

A good post, almost beliavable, but, unfortunately baloney !!! Well apart from where you touch upon the notion that the Government has no immigration policy other than a practically open door one :smiley:

gnasty gnome:
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I will say only this much now; if it hadn’t been for the self-sacrifice of a lot of Poles most of you buggers would be speaking German now. :smiling_imp:

You got that wrong too !! You should of said if it hadn’t been for the Americans. Specifically the black soldiers known as ‘Buffalo Soliders’ ,most , if not all volounteered to go into the front lines fighting, and won. But don’t let me spoil the image of us giving thanks to some old Polish (or British guy). :wink:

Mike-C:
I’m not so sure history is important in the context of this discussion though. Place where UK is now ihas nothing to do with the war either.

I could discuss with you. As was just written UK’s immigration policy have roots in your imperial times.

Nothing is happening without a reason. And if you track it down you’ll be sometimes suprised.

For example: Space Shuttle tanks have this dimmensions, becouse there are transported on the train, who have standard track of 1435 mm, and that becouse it was a standard for Roman roads, and that becouse that’s good size for a cart towed by two horses side by side.

So space shuttle is as big as it is becouse of dimensions of horse’s arses :wink:

That not totally serious example, but it shows what I mean.

Although most of the modern world should be gratefull to the UK for their way of life !! :wink:

Yeat, tell that to Poles, who were sold to Stalin in Yalta thanks to your prime minister Churchill (not car-insurer, the other one). Our way of live though last 60 years was really great :unamused:

V8 Passion:
does it not wind some uk lads up but we are sat at home whilst them knb jockeys are working, a friend reckons felixstowe harwich and ipswich ferry terminals are overun with motors from the east, shouldnt be allowed,

There’s a way to stop this. Ask your local supermarkets to just stock British produce and goods :smiley:

Mike-C:
There’s a way to stop this. Ask your local supermarkets to just stock British produce and goods :smiley:

And then we’ll see who is the potato-eater :slight_smile:

orys:

Mike-C:
I’m not so sure history is important in the context of this discussion though. Place where UK is now ihas nothing to do with the war either.

I could discuss with you. As was just written UK’s immigration policy have roots in your imperial times.

I think UK immigration policy has more to do with an EU vision rather than any Imperialist links.

orys:

Although most of the modern world should be gratefull to the UK for their way of life !! :wink:

Yeat, tell that to Poles, who were sold to Stalin in Yalta thanks to your prime minister Churchill (not car-insurer, the other one). Our way of live though last 60 years was really great :unamused:

Hey blame the Americans, they won the war not us !! :smiley:
You might of been better off if Hitler had won ! :smiley:

orys:

Mike-C:
There’s a way to stop this. Ask your local supermarkets to just stock British produce and goods :smiley:

And then we’ll see who is the potato-eater :slight_smile:

I think that’ll be all of us soon !! And i like cabbage too :smiley:

Mike-C:
Hey blame the Americans, they won the war not us !! :smiley:
You might of been better off if Hitler had won ! :smiley:

According to my Grandmother, who without moving a bit was living in Poland, then in Soviet Union, then in General Gubern, then in Soviet Union again, and then she was moved west and lived in People’s Republic of Poland, under Hitler was much better than under Stalin :S

And pre-war Poland was much better than post-war Poland.

Simon71:

truckyboy:
I cant believe what im reading on this post....its funny how when everythings going great..no one says anything...when it goes ■■■■ up...they moan like little women...about the foreigners....but i suppose theyre the same people who went/go to Holland/Belgium/France/Germany etc...Oh well, thats ok then.... Moaning about foreignerswho work for certain companies, and stopping them from working...then why the [zb] didnt you want to work for the said companies in the first place....Its funny how people will work for companies when theyre desperate, that they wouldnt normally touch with a barge pole. Where are all theEnglishpeople to work on the farms, in the fields, in pouring rain and minus degree temperatures, that theforeigners now do. Who runs our transport systems...foreignersor descendants of immigrants, and in London, these so called immigrants were brought here specifically to work on our transport system, often cramped in one room, and shabby houses, jobs the english would not get out of bed for. I have worked for many companies, have travelled extensively, and met manyforeignerswho have shown me such courtesy,and manners, who work hard, and are a credit to this profession, far more than many of our english compatriots.At the end of the day they are no different to us, merely looking to better themselves. If you want to complain about these people, then may i suggest you look elsewhere to vent your anger, for it is not the fault of theforeigner` that we find ourselves in this mess…the government is partly to blame for not restricting the numbers, for not introducing road charges, for not making a level playing field, but above all…we only have ourselves to blame for not joining together, and fighting the real causes of the demise of our industry.

lovely…you can go and live with em then!!
Well said :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

a lot of you are missing the point or are you trying not to upset the moderator or orys, the point is when work is quiet they should be stood down layed off fcked off whatever so our uk people can work, a friend of mines wife was goimg to work on the peterboro spalding road near to cubit and a PL reg truck was coming towards her on her side of the road and bang 5k damage to her 57plate golf they exchanged details the police said ok everything is good, now they owner company or the driver cannot be traced,

V8 Passion:
now they owner company or the driver cannot be traced,

And all the police have to go on is a skid-marked pair of baggy purple Y-fronts found at the scene.

orys:

JeffA:
Eh? What did the Poles do in World War 2 apart from put their hands up inside a fortnight?

Hm. Fought on all fronts as the one and only nation?

A handful of Polish people fought on in other countries yes but the country itself put it’s hands up in short order.

So why it so strangely happened, that the Poles have the most trees in Yad Vashem?

True orys, you’ve taught me something there. I was just going on books by people who were at Treblinka who say that when they were waiting to die in the trains the polish civilians would walk past and try to rob them.

truckyboy wrote

I cant believe what im reading on this post....its funny how when everythings going great..no one says anything...when it goes ■■■■ up...they moan like little women...about the foreigners....but i suppose theyre the same people who went/go to Holland/Belgium/France/Germany etc...Oh well, thats ok then.... Moaning about foreignerswho work for certain companies, and stopping them from working...then why the [zb] didnt you want to work for the said companies in the first place....Its funny how people will work for companies when theyre desperate, that they wouldnt normally touch with a barge pole. Where are all theEnglishpeople to work on the farms, in the fields, in pouring rain and minus degree temperatures, that theforeigners now do. Who runs our transport systems...foreignersor descendants of immigrants, and in London, these so called immigrants were brought here specifically to work on our transport system, often cramped in one room, and shabby houses, jobs the english would not get out of bed for. I have worked for many companies, have travelled extensively, and met manyforeignerswho have shown me such courtesy,and manners, who work hard, and are a credit to this profession, far more than many of our english compatriots.At the end of the day they are no different to us, merely looking to better themselves. If you want to complain about these people, then may i suggest you look elsewhere to vent your anger, for it is not the fault of theforeigner` that we find ourselves in this mess…the government is partly to blame for not restricting the numbers, for not introducing road charges, for not making a level playing field, but above all…we only have ourselves to blame for not joining together, and fighting the real causes of the demise of our industry.

TRUCKYBOY
has made some very valid points here regarding about the whys and wherefores of migrant/immigrant workers in this country and whilst tending to agree with him I want to point out that it should not be a [/b]SIN to want to see all of the indigenous population in work before we allow in workers from abroad.

I fully understand the arguments made by truckyboy about the idle English and those on the dole should be made to take whatever job is available instead of free-loading off of the rest of us. There is no doubt that even if all of the idle muppets who spend years on the dole were made to work we would still need migrant workers however we cannot under the present circumstances carry on in the present vein.

We cannot for instance carry on seeing British firms go to the wall while foreign companies are sending trucks over here to do U.K traction work at a fraction of the cost.This is not the fault of those foreign firms who take up the opportunities available, the blame must lie with both the British Government for its lack of enforcement but also with those companies especially those trailer operators who seek out these cheaper often unsafe firms to do their work rather than seek proper rates for the jobs. I have many times been told that foreign firms are going to used because they are cheaper this situation plainly cannot continue.

This thread has brought a lot of comment on a touchy subject out into the open and it should be applauded for doing so because if the government was to have more open and frank discussions in this manner and stop being so politically correct then there would be a lot less animsity towards foreign workers in this country.

I have not had the time to read every post on this thread but there has been an enormous response in just over a week that obviously the feelings on the subject are running very high so maybe everybody who has joined in should Email VOSA and ask for the proper enforcement of cabotage rules in this country and especially in relation to trailer operators up and down the country.

This suggestion applies to all whether they be British or Foreign, then if badly operated foreign firms were drummed out of the U>K the situation wouldn`t be quite so bad for all.

lets see if the liberals on here are saying the same when they lose there job only to see a left hand elkbar or whatever doing it instead!!
its whats happening now, not 67 bloody years ago! idiots!

JeffA:

orys:

JeffA:
Eh? What did the Poles do in World War 2 apart from put their hands up inside a fortnight?

Hm. Fought on all fronts as the one and only nation?

A handful of Polish people fought on in other countries yes but the country itself put it’s hands up in short order.

So why it so strangely happened, that the Poles have the most trees in Yad Vashem?

True orys, you’ve taught me something there. I was just going on books by people who were at Treblinka who say that when they were waiting to die in the trains the polish civilians would walk past and try to rob them.

I was something like 2 weeks before Poland was overrun by the ■■■■ invasion, it is documented they indeed put up a good fight, but were did not have the same modern equipment as the Germans had, they were very outgunned. I think you will find it was not a handful, wether it was joining other countries to continue or fighting from within Poland, the Warsaw uprising would be a good example, you do them a great disservice to say they put there hands up.

Anyway quite what is has to do with the topic… Perhaps Orys can start a thread with basic history on the 20th century, I thought I was pretty clued up, but it appears he is way ahead.

It is however a very fair point to say if a British worker has lost his or her job then why should not a Pole leave the country, so that Brit has a job. A government that appeared to put its own peoples interests first over profit, I would vote for such a thing. Looking at the UK, its been let to slide downhill to long for this too happen, I would have thought the chaps in Whitehall are more interested in the balance books the the Great British public, more so at the moment.

I don’t think you can complain, you don’t actually do anything about it, the police don’t as a rule carry guns and the army is elsewhere and don’t have the right equipment anyway, how long would it take to liquidate those in power? Orys could help there as well, his country got rid of a far bigger foe than the labour government, a truly evil one who really did do bad things and you would not have to shoot people to do this.

It is exactly the same zenophobic posters on here that keep saying this country is finished, that all say that they want to sell up and move to Spain, France, Greece, Canada.

Either that or they buy a Staffie and a St Georges Flag