Go to the Total in Zeebrugge any day next week, and look at the long lines of parked up wagons there, it’s not perfect here any more…
And yes, half of them will be in local company colours, but they’ll be subcontracted eastern euro hauliers. Spending a week, sat in a grubby truck park in a foreign land, with no work, earning nothing… These guys have it easy… how■■?
People say that “the foreigners will do jobs British people won’t and work harder too” but that’s over-simplifying it. If I’m working in a foreign country, sharing a hovel with 15 other flatulent men then of course I’m going to want to spend as long at work as I can possibly can.
The trouble is they are competing with men who have wives and kids and actually WANT to go back to their homes.
If I was sleeping with 15 flatulent men I’d be offering to do every doubleshift I could too.
newmercman:
Ok, here’s the other side of the coin,The likes of Orys are sitting at home in Poland, not a lot of prospects for the future, no jobs, poor wages etc. They read in the paper about Britain having a shortage of workers so they pack their bags & come over to work & provide a better life for themselves & their family, so far so good, the only thing is, England never had a shortage of people to do these jobs, what it had a shortage of was people that were WILLING to get off their lazy fat arse & go to work. Now we have a recession is it right that these WORKERS should give up their jobs & go home? No it isn’t, no way, without them the country would’ve probably gone into recession much sooner.
I think that’s the myth New Labour created to make you believe immigrants are good. As far as I’m aware back in 2002 when there were hardly any immigrants Britain wasn’t on it’s knees - it was doing fine. Somehow all the jobs that needed doing got done.
The argument works the other way too - back in 2002 when we had no immigrants the economy was going fine. Now we have millions of immigrants and the country is on it’s knees.
So as i was born in New Zealand and hold a New Zealand passport should i not be allowed to work in UK even though i’ve lived here since i was 2■■?
How many of us actually voted last time round??
Its was the people of this country who voted this Government in, and its now down to the people of this country to vote them out and vote in a Govenrment who will take action, if thats what you want. Sadly i think its only the BNP who would take this kind of action though.
I didnt vote last time round, for whatever the reason. Yes the Foreigners ■■■■ me right off, but then i didnt vote, so do i really have a right to whinge and moan about them??
The only people to blame, are the people who run the Country, its that simple. Its not the drivers or the Companies fault they can do as they please in the UK, Ok its the drivers fault they are dirty ■■■■■ who ■■■■ and ■■■■ at the roadside, but as for them being here, i think Mr. Brown needs to be held accountable for them!
i agree with everything thats been said!! 
good to see the current goverment’s spin doctors and propaganda have earnt there wagers!! this is what you get for having a lilly livered socialist goverment!
the current lot have done there forefathers proud by proving yet again they cannot be trusted with a kiddies piggybank!! i’m very happy to say i have worked since 16 and always voted for the side that likes to look after my taxes rather than waste it!
Ader1 wrote:
V8 Passion wrote:
they tell me there are lots of them driving uk motors out off teesport killingholme hull etc whats it like in scotland, i know ireland is full of them, any welsh lads tell me whats it like in wales,
We have a lot of immigrants in Wales too…mostly English.
How would any Welshman know that the man standing next to him was English ■■?. In many parts of Wales the IGNORANT locals start talking gibberish as soon as a stranger appears some welcome in the hillsides that is…
I for one have no problem with Wales becoming an independent state they can stop being a drain on the ENGLISH taxpayer then maybe we can start charging them to come into England instead.
bubsy06:
we have blamed the foreigners, then the goverment, then money and now its the uk drivers fault
i am not going to read the whole of this thread, but…
i believe this post was made in sarcasm, but never a truer word spoken in jest.
i do actually believe that it is the fault of the british driver, they never stop bleating, whining, moaning about various things.
they are given top of the range trucks, decent money, some companies even pay for all the optional extras on the trucks, like lightbars, airhorns, CB’s, microwaves, wheel trims or alloys, and they still moan.
I have had drivers not bother turning up when given the job, all was happy at the interview, happy to take the job knowing the hours, wage, vehicle, everything, then just not bother turning up or contacting me to say they have changed their mind.
All of the foreign drivers i have had the pleasure of meeting, some even working with whilst i was an employed driver, have had a very good attitude towards work, they are on the same pay and conditions as UK drivers, the difference is, they get on with the job they are asked to do.
If an EU driver came to me for a job (subject to me having any vacancies), providing he or she has a good comprehension of the english language and a checkable driving licence
This has been annoying me for so long, i am actually thinking of selling all of my trucks apart from the one i drive and going back to being an owner driver instead of a company owner.
I can’t put what i really think about some of the drivers i have either employed or interviewed because this post would be full of [ZB]'s 
truckermarcus:
good to see the current goverment’s spin doctors and propaganda have earnt there wagers!! this is what you get for having a lilly livered socialist goverment!
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick marcus. There’s nothing socialist about letting in millions of foreigners to keep workers wages depressed. That’s pure free-market Tory horsedung.
It’s right-wing organisations like the CBI demanding we have lots of foreigners here so business can keep pay low and award themselves big bonuses.
shuttlespanker:
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All of the foreign drivers i have had the pleasure of meeting, some even working with whilst i was an employed driver, have had a very good attitude towards work,
If everyone was sharing one room with 15 flatulent eastern europeans I think we’d all be keen to come to work shuttle.
JeffA:
shuttlespanker:
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All of the foreign drivers i have had the pleasure of meeting, some even working with whilst i was an employed driver, have had a very good attitude towards work,If everyone was sharing one room with 15 flatulent eastern europeans I think we’d all be keen to come to work shuttle.
how they decide to live in their time off is up to them and is no concern of mine.
this discussion is about foreigners “working”, not living in this country.
as i said, from my personal experience of working with them, they have always been willing to do the work they have been asked so that they can earn the same wage as the british drivers.
newmercman:
Well Goaty,Now you come to mention it I’m coming back to London for Xmas & the 1st thing I’m doing is going to the Walworth Road for some Pie n Mash & Jellied Eels mmmmm mmmmm, then I’m going to get ■■■■■■ up on Stella & have a greasy Kebab as I stagger home, funny what you miss when you’re away
So back to the mud slinging, your Avatar, your latest squeeze?
May I introduce my sister !
shuttlespanker:
JeffA:
shuttlespanker:
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All of the foreign drivers i have had the pleasure of meeting, some even working with whilst i was an employed driver, have had a very good attitude towards work,If everyone was sharing one room with 15 flatulent eastern europeans I think we’d all be keen to come to work shuttle.
how they decide to live in their time off is up to them and is no concern of mine.
this discussion is about foreigners “working”, not living in this country.
I think it would be a concern of yours if everyone was reduced to living in the same standards as your eastern european workers. Because if everyone was living 15 to one room then it is more than likely you would have been hit over the head with a hammer, left for dead and had everything you had stolen from you many years ago.
If you want to live in a country where all your workers are living 15 to one room then fine - expect a place about as much fun as Iraq and make sure you barricade your family indoors every night because they will be coming for you wielding a blood-stained machette.
JeffA:
If everyone was sharing one room with 15 flatulent eastern europeans I think we’d all be keen to come to work shuttle.
I do not know any Pole, who lives more than 3 people in one flat.
But I was sharing a flat with scots, and they were taking still more and more people in. They apporachment was: “if I will have the bed cheaper, I can spare more money for partying”…
JeffA:
I think it would be a concern of yours if everyone was reduced to living in the same standards as your eastern european workers. Because if everyone was living 15 to one room then it is more than likely you would have been hit over the head with a hammer, left for dead and had everything you had stolen from you many years ago.If you want to live in a country where all your workers are living 15 to one room then fine - expect a place about as much fun as Iraq and make sure you barricade your family indoors every night because they will be coming for you wielding a blood-stained machette.
Whats the myth now about Poles living 15 in one flat? I have nice one bedroom flat, Scots coming to polish lesson are always amazed how nice flat I have. Amongst my collegues on my university I am the only one who is NOT sharing a flat with strangers - i live there with my girl only.
Off course, there are some companies who employs people and giving them accomodation in Multiple occupation houses, but that as well is applying to Brits!
I cant believe what im reading on this post....its funny how when everythings going great..no one says anything...when it goes ■■■■ up...they moan like little women...about the foreigners....but i suppose theyre the same people who went/go to Holland/Belgium/France/Germany etc...Oh well, thats ok then.... Moaning about foreignerswho work for certain companies, and stopping them from working...then why the ■■■■ didnt you want to work for the said companies in the first place....Its funny how people will work for companies when theyre desperate, that they wouldnt normally touch with a barge pole. Where are all theEnglishpeople to work on the farms, in the fields, in pouring rain and minus degree temperatures, that theforeigners now do. Who runs our transport systems...foreignersor descendants of immigrants, and in London, these so called immigrants were brought here specifically to work on our transport system, often cramped in one room, and shabby houses, jobs the english would not get out of bed for. I have worked for many companies, have travelled extensively, and met manyforeignerswho have shown me such courtesy,and manners, who work hard, and are a credit to this profession, far more than many of our english compatriots.At the end of the day they are no different to us, merely looking to better themselves. If you want to complain about these people, then may i suggest you look elsewhere to vent your anger, for it is not the fault of theforeigner` that we find ourselves in this mess…the government is partly to blame for not restricting the numbers, for not introducing road charges, for not making a level playing field, but above all…we only have ourselves to blame for not joining together, and fighting the real causes of the demise of our industry.
truckyboy wrote
then may i suggest you look elsewhere to vent your anger, for it is not the fault of the foreigner that we find ourselves in this mess…the government is partly to blame for not restricting the numbers, for not introducing road charges, for not making a level playing field, but above all…we only have ourselves to blame for not joining together, and fighting the real causes of the demise of our industry.
Truckyboy has hit the nail on the head here nobody should be blaming anyone for wanting to better themselves and the blame certainly lies elsewhere other than on the shoulders of foreign workers. The thread is getting away from the original question which was :-
Who thinks when work is short the foreigners shouldnt be allowed to work in our little country,
This post reflects the views of many of the general population who feel we are being overwhelmed with foreigners in a country which does not have enough basic facilities for our own people.
The blame must lie with everybody who either voted for this pseudo-socialist government or who failed to vote at all. I travel as many of you do all over the country and find it very hard to find anyone who will admit to voting Labour.(in fact they had been in power for 8 years before anybody admitted to me that they did vote labour at the second election won by Labour.)
We must not forget that this government has neglected the haulage industry even at this time of economic crisis and yet again increased our costs above every other industry, it has sought to criminalise every driver who inadvertently or otherwise was found with immigrants in his trailer in ways which didn`t happen to airline pilots, Eurostar train drivers or ferry companies alike.
This governments failings are one of the root causes for the sentiments in this thread and it is now time for the government to adopt a similar system to the Australians and only allow controlled immigration.
Before anybody says but we are all Europeans I don`t think that Pierrot14 is finding the French to be being very EUROPEAN in not accepting his U.K qualifications for doing his chosen profession in France an obvious ploy to reduce the number of eastern europeans from opting to work as drivers in France.
JeffA:
shuttlespanker:
JeffA:
shuttlespanker:
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All of the foreign drivers i have had the pleasure of meeting, some even working with whilst i was an employed driver, have had a very good attitude towards work,If everyone was sharing one room with 15 flatulent eastern europeans I think we’d all be keen to come to work shuttle.
how they decide to live in their time off is up to them and is no concern of mine.
this discussion is about foreigners “working”, not living in this country.
I think it would be a concern of yours if everyone was reduced to living in the same standards as your eastern european workers. Because if everyone was living 15 to one room then it is more than likely you would have been hit over the head with a hammer, left for dead and had everything you had stolen from you many years ago.
If you want to live in a country where all your workers are living 15 to one room then fine - expect a place about as much fun as Iraq and make sure you barricade your family indoors every night because they will be coming for you wielding a blood-stained machette.
lets get one thing straight, if the poles or any other nationality want to live 15 to one room, that is their decision, purely on economics, not to drag every body else down to their level
if you had the chioce, would you live 15 to 1 room?
no
that’s your choice
you spend your hard earned on your own house
what they choose to do with their hard earned money is their business, if they want to save the money so they can send it home, or spend it on booze and women, there again, it is their business
who are we to tell them how to spend THEIR money?
would you like it if i told you that you had got to spend it in a certain way?
no you would not, the last i heard, we lived in a democracy, not a dictatorship
and i would hazard a guess that you would make a far better novelist than a truck driver with an imagination like that!
annitram:
How would any Welshman know that the man standing next to him was English ■■?. In many parts of Wales the IGNORANT locals start talking gibberish as soon as a stranger appears some welcome in the hillsides that is…
If only I was given a tenner every time I hear that myth. Let me help you to dispel it.
It usually goes…‘I walked into a pub. As soon as I appeared…they started talking gibberish/Welsh’. Ask your self…how does the stranger know what language was being spoken before he made his entrance? Why would the English stranger upon hearing Welsh being spoken, immediately believe that the subject of the converstion is him/her or the yokels swithch languages because of his or her presence?
I’m going to stop now…what’s the point? 